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osakadave
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quote:
Originally posted by DemonWolf:
It is being called the worst natural disaster in US history.

Probably in financial terms, but the death toll is going to have to be horrendous to claim the title away from the Storm of 1900
that killed 10,000 in Galveston.

And the Martial Law is a sort of thing:

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Martial law clarified
Tuesday, 9:02 p.m.

The state Attorney General's office on Tuesday sought to clarify reports in some media that "martial law' has been declared in parts of storm-ravaged southeast Louisiana, saying no such term exists in Louisiana law.

But even though no martial law exists, Gov. Kathleen Blanco's declaration of a state of emergency gives authorities widespread latitude to suspend civil liberties as they try to restore order and bring victims to safety. Under the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act of 1993, the governor and, in some cases, chief parish officials, have the right to commandeer or utilize any private property if necessary to cope with the emergency.

from nola.com

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I know I'm not adding much to this discussion, but I'm just now able to watch the news about just how bad Katrina was/is. To see the rubble and think there could be people or animals trapped their makes my heart stop. Seeing the city I so enjoyed during my honeymoon only a year ago covered in water just breaks my heart. It's going to be a long time before we will be able to recover from this. [Frown]
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Again, anyone here that is involved or who has loved ones involved, please accept my sympathies, thoughts and prayers. This is just horrible.

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For some reason this morning this song popped in my head & I instantly started crying. I definately won't be able to listen to it for awhile.

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There is a public health expert talking about the risks associated with standing, stagnant water, and that, unless they are able to get these people fresh water, to be prepared for many deaths due to disentery.

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I've had a horrible thought.

I've always heard that a suprising number of people aren't aware the most homeowner's policies don't cover flood damage.

I wonder how many people think they are covered, but are about to recieve a horrible shock?

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
I've had a horrible thought.

I've always heard that a suprising number of people aren't aware the most homeowner's policies don't cover flood damage.

I wonder how many people think they are covered, but are about to recieve a horrible shock?

Good, sad point. Some insurance company organization spokesman was interviewed on NPR, and had a very difficult time trying to get the host to understand that private insurance companies simply do not sell flood insurance, and, if people's homes flooded and they did not have the federal flood policy, they aren't going to be covered.

I do not understand what her (the host's) mental block about that was.

I am amazed when house fire season begins here (fall-early winter when people turn their wall heating units back on) at the numbers of fire victims who do not have homeowners insurance at all. Mainly, it is the elderly, who may not be able to afford it.

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I keep seeing the footage of looters, and there seem to be two kinds. People taking primarily expensive stuff, and people taking diapers and food. Are there any stores open in NO? If people don't want to loot, is there a legitimate way to acquire diapers and food?


quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
I've had a horrible thought.

I've always heard that a suprising number of people aren't aware the most homeowner's policies don't cover flood damage.

I wonder how many people think they are covered, but are about to recieve a horrible shock?

It seems that in cities that are more flood-prone, the awareness is higher. People in Houston discuss flood insurance much more than anyone else in the state of Texas, for instance. Most banks won't insure homes in the flood plain here without flood insurance. In New Orleans, the problem is likely to be more about the people who couldn't afford insurance at all.
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They've opened the Bay County, FL fairgrounds as a Red Cross shelter. About a dozen people are there now, and it should hold about 300 indoors, and has RV hookups as well. Info.

I'm sure others are opening up across the South.

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My Mom lives in Gulfport, MS, about 2 miles from the beach. Their house was only slightly damaged, but most of the rest of the sicty was totally destroyed. MS Power says that it looks as if they are going to have to completely rebuild the system that took them 80 years to build in the first place. Power is out from the coast all the way inland to Meridian.

With the media seeming to concentrate on NO, I am frustrated that there are countless people trapped, stranded without power, lights, food, water in Southern MS. And since there is no way to get gasoline, etc they cannot escape the area (on the one highway that was not destroyed).

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Mama Duck
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quote:
Originally posted by AnglRdr:
Good, sad point. Some insurance company organization spokesman was interviewed on NPR, and had a very difficult time trying to get the host to understand that private insurance companies simply do not sell flood insurance, and, if people's homes flooded and they did not have the federal flood policy, they aren't going to be covered.

They won't be covered if they were in a flood plain. While I realize that the entire state of Louisiana is just one big flood plain, even they have a sliding scale. Most people wil receive aid. It more than likely won't be enough to cover the cost of the house but it might help. Anyone outside of FEMA Fllod Zone A will be eleigible for some aid more than likely. They will probably be required to carry flood insurance as a condition of the aid though. Also, there will be a heck of time determining the difference between wind-driven rain waters (which is covered under your home owner's policy) and rising flood waters. In a situation like New Orleans, a distinction will be very important and rather difficult.

~I've had more experience with floods than I care to ponder~

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As previously mentioned, Mooommmeee's Sis and her hubby abandoned their boat/home on Sunday and just started driving away, unsure of where they would go. We know they made it to Tupedo, MS. They checked in on Tuesday morning and rejected pleas to come north to an area where they have relatives (PA or WV for her; OH or MA for him) and insisted that they would have to check on their boat first.

We have not been able to reach them since that conversation and they have not told us where they are or where they were going, only faint hints of "maybe Arkansas or something if we can't return to NOLA." I have to assume that they would not have been able to get anywhere close to their boat's dock, and frankly I would be amazed to hear that their home has any identifiable pieces remaining. We're hoping for contact soon. We're happy to lend whatever assistance is necessary, but they have to accept it. He behaves in an extremely irrational mannerr when subjected to stress, so I'm also praying they haven't done anything more unwise than wondering aimlessly through the South.

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I just heard on CNN that several thousand of the people refuging in the Superdome are going to be bussed to the Houston Astrodome for other shelter. Anyone else heard this? I can't imagine the difficulty of that - Houston's several hours away.

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i saw before and after pictures of Lake Pontchartrain on the news this morning, but searching the web, all i can find is the before picture before can anyone point me to a site where the after pictures are. thanx.

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You can see some aerial shots at www.wwltv.com. They also have a message board for each parish there. I was able to find out a lot about the town I lived in and the area my brother lives in. Looks like his town was hit with tornados but fortunately very little flooding. We are still waiting to hear if their home sustained any damage.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cervus:
I just heard on CNN that several thousand of the people refuging in the Superdome are going to be bussed to the Houston Astrodome for other shelter. Anyone else heard this? I can't imagine the difficulty of that - Houston's several hours away.

Houston isn't *that* far away. DH & I did N.O. to DFW several years ago. It's not an easy day but I want to say we got to Houston about lunchtime or so. Considering they really aren't suppose to go back to their homes, putting them in a position where they physically can't do that might be the best solution. Sounds mean but it will probably help.
BTW, not to ask a really petty question but where are the Saints going to play football? And the college teams? Just curious.


ETA: I was reading an article on Yahoo & there are reports that guns were stolen from a Wal-Mart & armed groups are going around & looting stores. I have a feeling they're not looking for bottled water & food.

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quote:
Originally posted by Morgaine La Rakkasah:
BTW, not to ask a really petty question but where are the Saints going to play football? And the college teams? Just curious.

I don't know where Tulane and Xavier will play, but the Saints are already here in San Antonio. They'll be playing out of the Alamodome according to local reports this morning, which one does have to take with a grain of salt.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jackie in the Elevator:
You can see some aerial shots at www.wwltv.com. They also have a message board for each parish there. I was able to find out a lot about the town I lived in and the area my brother lives in. Looks like his town was hit with tornados but fortunately very little flooding. We are still waiting to hear if their home sustained any damage.

thank you, but i was really looking for a satellite view. i came across a live local coverage site: MetaFilter and they seem to have a lot of good info too. someone keep an eye out for a good aerial shot of the Lake now. thanx again Jackie in the Elevator.

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The Astrodome has several advantages: It is very big, it is not being used for anything else, it has running water and electricity, it's roof has no holes, it is dry and clean inside, there are 4 million people in the city who all still have a home and many of them are ready to help out, there is a functioning city infrastructure in place. All that may well be worth a 250 mile ride in a bus.

I hope they do find a good way to get the Superdome folks to the Astrodome soon. I have heard the situation in there is abysmal.

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Does anyone know what the long-short-term plan is for the people who are going to the Astrodome? Meaning, to go through the huge undertaking of moving there must mean they're gonna be there for a while? A week? A month?

Ana

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Best case scenario, they'll be there for a couple of weeks. Then they'll move back to whatever's left and probably more than a few tent cities. But mostly they'll be homeless for a month or longer.

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An engineer friend has been slated to go to New Orleans to help get electricity running. They told him to count on being there at least 6 weeks. So I'd say the Astrodome may be a 1-2 month proposition.

It's not just the water, the lack of roads, the lack of water and electricity. If people come back and are willing to face all that, there will be cholera and other dread diseases. And the hospitals in NO are already sending patients to other semi-nearby hospitals.

I think the city will be mostly uninhabitable for a while.

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Here's a few more pictures of Katrina and the flood it has caused:

http://www.pictures-pictures.net/hurricaine-katrina/

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I really hope that, by "tent cities," we mean "temporary mobile home parks."

Some Pensacola residents were still in their temporary housing a full year after Ivan. You can't live a year in a tent.

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Another problem I've been hearing about related to the flooding besides the dysentery - the waters in New Orleans and Mississipi are also infested with snakes and alligators. When the water is that high, they've pretty much got free reign.

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Boy, am I glad my friend's mom finally left. She was going to ride it out, but she finally relented and evacuated. I'm sure my friend and her brothers and sisters are happier, though.

To our snopesters there in the thick of things, I'm glad you guys are okay, and will keep you and pretty much everyone else down there in my prayers.

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According to MSNBC, 475 busses are standing by to take 25,000 evacuees out of NOLA and to the Astrodome over the next 48 hours. The Astrodome has cleared it's schedule for all events until January of next year. I would guess that those evacuees will be there until either relatives or charitees take them in or NOLA is in shape to them back.

I will be curious as to how they get the people from the Superdome out, but I would imagine that a tennable plan is in place.

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finally, it's been posted

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quote:
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Another problem I've been hearing about related to the flooding besides the dysentery - the waters in New Orleans and Mississipi are also infested with snakes and alligators. When the water is that high, they've pretty much got free reign.

I read that a 2 or 3 foot shark had been spotted swimming around.

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quote:
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finally, it's been posted

Oh my freaking goodness. [Eek!] [Frown]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Green Eggs and Rebochan:
Another problem I've been hearing about related to the flooding besides the dysentery - the waters in New Orleans and Mississipi are also infested with snakes and alligators. When the water is that high, they've pretty much got free reign.

I read that a 2 or 3 foot shark had been spotted swimming around.
A fresh water shark? Did he used to live in the lake?
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I've been wondering about the New Orleans cemetery. It is (was) above ground...news reports have mentioned bodies floating in streets and homes, but no specifics of whether or not they were hurricane victims or washed out of the cemeteries. I recall a different flood a few years back where bodies from a local cemetery were washed up into yards...that's got to be creepy.

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A coworker said the same thing about the cemeteries. I imagine all the crypts have been washed away. But wouldn't they all still be in the coffins? I don't know how much of a beating a coffin would withstand before it opened.

So sad that not only do these people have to lose their homes, jobs, cars, etc., but they also may have lost their loved ones remains.

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They surely wouldn't--mostly--still be described as bodies, would they? The cemetery tour guide said that bodies were cemented into most crypts for a year and a day, after which the bones were bagged and placed in the ossuary part of the crypt, so after a year, thanks to the climate, not a great deal is left.

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Thanks Chloe, I wasn't sure how crypts worked. Unfortunately I didn't get to do a cemetery tour when we went to NO a few years ago. Hubby and daughter weren't interested. No voodoo tour either.
We missed our one chance at that, now it seems.

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