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A spur of the moment decision cost a 16-year-old boy his life after he decided to try to lower himself out of a high-rise apartment with bedsheets to avoid get caught in the home by a female friend's parents.

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1128teen-fatalfall28-ON.html

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Remember kids, just because it works on T.V. doesn't mean it works in real life.

I feel bad for the kid because that has to be an awful way to die (knowing what will happen the whole way down :shudder: ), but that was really stupid. If he didn't want to get caught visiting the girl, aside from not doing it, couldn't he have hidden somewhere or maybe, I don't know, been honest about it for a second before he decided to dangle 15 stories from sheets tied together. It blows my mind how foolish some people are.

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I wonder what specific consequences he feared? Getting yelled at? Some sort of physical retribution against his girlfriend? Perhaps he was trying to protect his girlfriend.

But you're right, CFS, if his being there were that much of a danger to her, he should have protected her by not being there.

What a sad waste of a life.

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"They were just hanging out," said Toronto police Det. Steve Peconi.
Bad choice of words.

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I hadn't caught that, trollface. Is it wrong to laugh at that a litte? Because I did.

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Tragic. Could his life have been saved if he had thrown mattresses, pillows, and anything else he could find that was soft out the window before he made a rope out of bedsheets and fell?

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From 15 stories? I doubt it.

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I would think that a missing mattress would be pretty hard for the girl to explain. And from 15 stories, would have made little difference. Probably the only thing that would have saved that kid would have been a swimming pool, other than not being a little wuss and telling the truth.

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quote:
Originally posted by MapMaker:
I would think that a missing mattress would be pretty hard for the girl to explain. And from 15 stories, would have made little difference. Probably the only thing that would have saved that kid would have been a swimming pool, other than not being a little wuss and telling the truth.

"little wuss" is a rather harsh name, don't you think? Considering we don't know what the punishment could have been, from "Hey, stay away from my daughter, you punk" to his girlfriend getting hit/abused by her father from him being there (as Lainie stated above).

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quote:
Originally posted by YuletideWynters:
little wuss" is a rather harsh name, don't you think? Considering we don't know what the punishment could have been, from "Hey, stay away from my daughter, you punk" to his girlfriend getting hit/abused by her father from him being there (as Lainie stated above).

SW

Point taken, but as Candy From Strangers and Lainie also said, if he wanted to keep his girlfriend out of trouble, he shouldn't have been there in the first place. By deliberately defying her parents wishes then trying to escape out a window, in my book, he's a little wuss.

ETA: I don't give much sympathy for someone that breaks the rules then wonders why something bad happens. Rules are usually made for a reason. Unfortunatley, that guy learned the hard way.

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quote:
Originally posted by MapMaker:
I would think that a missing mattress would be pretty hard for the girl to explain. And from 15 stories, would have made little difference. Probably the only thing that would have saved that kid would have been a swimming pool, other than not being a little wuss and telling the truth.

From 15 stories, I believe, hitting that swimming pool would have the same effect as hitting the street.

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Originally posted by MapMaker:
quote:
Originally posted by YuletideWynters:
little wuss" is a rather harsh name, don't you think? Considering we don't know what the punishment could have been, from "Hey, stay away from my daughter, you punk" to his girlfriend getting hit/abused by her father from him being there (as Lainie stated above).

SW

Point taken, but as Candy From Strangers and Lainie also said, if he wanted to keep his girlfriend out of trouble, he shouldn't have been there in the first place. By deliberately defying her parents wishes then trying to escape out a window, in my book, he's a little wuss.

ETA: I don't give much sympathy for someone that breaks the rules then wonders why something bad happens. Rules are usually made for a reason. Unfortunatley, that guy learned the hard way.

Yes becuase visiting his girlfriend when the parents weren't home is surely a capital crime deserving of death. [Roll Eyes]

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Police say while the girl's parents were knocking on the door of their apartment, the boy and another friend tied bedsheets together and started to make their way out a bedroom window.

Gives new meaning to the term "tie-dye", doesn't it?

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quote:
Originally posted by smoke:

Yes becuase visiting his girlfriend when the parents weren't home is surely a capital crime deserving of death. [Roll Eyes] [/QUOTE]

I didn't say he deserved to DIE. I said that maybe he could have been a man about it and either showed his face to her parents and taken whatever punishment was dealt, or stayed away as they wanted him to do.

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Or he could have chosen to behave like--oh, I don't know--a teenage boy?

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Originally posted by smoke:

Yes becuase visiting his girlfriend when the parents weren't home is surely a capital crime deserving of death. [Roll Eyes]
I didn't say he deserved to DIE. I said that maybe he could have been a man about it and either showed his face to her parents and taken whatever punishment was dealt, or stayed away as they wanted him to do. [/QUOTE]

You said you had no sympathy for him because he broke the rules and learned the consequences the hard way. Guess he'll know better next time.

He died because he made an error in thinking he could climb 15 stories on tied sheets not because he visted his girlfriend against the rules and was punished for it with the fall by fate or karma or God. Your comment implies he died as a direct result and in punishment for breaking the visiting rule.

I'll bet a high perecentage of memebers of this board broke that rules as teenagers. I got yelled at by an angry German man for it but not killed though I think he wanted to do that.

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"Little Wuss" still strikes me as an odd choice of terms. I mean, it takes a certain amount of courage to climb out a 15th floor window. To me, that looks more like overconfidence than cowardice.

I say this having done a number of similarly stupid things in my brilliantly misspent youth.

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quote:
Originally posted by MapMaker:
quote:
Originally posted by smoke:

Yes becuase visiting his girlfriend when the parents weren't home is surely a capital crime deserving of death. [Roll Eyes]
I didn't say he deserved to DIE. I said that maybe he could have been a man about it and either showed his face to her parents and taken whatever punishment was dealt, or stayed away as they wanted him to do. [/QUOTE]

I think this quote from the article says it best:

"Kids shouldn't be so scared of parents that they would risk their lives," he said. "And parents shouldn't be so strict that their kids are afraid to be honest with them."

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"Kids shouldn't be so scared of parents that they would risk their lives," he said. "And parents shouldn't be so strict that their kids are afraid to be honest with them."
To be fair kids (all people in fact) are good at overestimating the level of trouble/danger in certain situations involving parents/adults/authority figures.

My mother has this room in her house (as do many mothers I'd wager) thats is fully of fancy furnature and such. As a kid I was always told never to go trough there with food but to go around the long way (hard to explain, just take it as that).

So of course, one day I went running throuhg there with a full glass of fruit punch, slipped on the carpet (to be fair it wasn't properly secured to the floor with tacks or a pad) and spilled that red juice all over her fancy, white and no doubt expensive couch and carpet..

I swear, I was sure she would kill me for it and I just sat there frozen..

But of course, while she was no bout mad and gave me a huge lecture (and even now I don't bring food anywhere near that room) she was fine about it, told me how to clean it as best it could be cleaned (alot of that seltzer water) and moved on.

So maybe all this kids would have gotten was yelled at, but in thier minds it was going to be much much worse.

Of course its possible there would have been more consequences, but I'm just saying that kids being irrationally scared of their parents isn't new or even mean the parents are bad.


If anything I'd say that the prospect of sex being so dirty and evil that it was resonable for parents to be extremely angry, even violent, at the possibility of their kids having it is more of the problem we as a society seem to have.

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"Kids shouldn't be so scared of parents that they would risk their lives," he said. "And parents shouldn't be so strict that their kids are afraid to be honest with them."
To be fair kids (all people in fact) are good at overestimating the level of trouble/danger in certain situations involving parents/adults/authority figures.

My mother has this room in her house (as do many mothers I'd wager) thats is fully of fancy furnature and such. As a kid I was always told never to go trough there with food but to go around the long way (hard to explain, just take it as that).

So of course, one day I went running throuhg there with a full glass of fruit punch, slipped on the carpet (to be fair it wasn't properly secured to the floor with tacks or a pad) and spilled that red juice all over her fancy, white and no doubt expensive couch and carpet..

I swear, I was sure she would kill me for it and I just sat there frozen..

But of course, while she was no bout mad and gave me a huge lecture (and even now I don't bring food anywhere near that room) she was fine about it, told me how to clean it as best it could be cleaned (alot of that seltzer water) and moved on.

So maybe all this kids would have gotten was yelled at, but in thier minds it was going to be much much worse.

Of course its possible there would have been more consequences, but I'm just saying that kids being irrationally scared of their parents isn't new or even mean the parents are bad...

Yes, I quite agree. It was a case of the kid over-reacting rather than the parents. To be honest if the kid thought his friend would be beaten because he was there, he should have not been there at all. I do not see any indication in the story that the girl was being abused by her parents.

Beach...the real problem is that the kid mad an idiotic and tragic decision...Life!

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You know, there's an irony here. If the kid had gotten caught, he might have gotten a lecture and would have to admit that he was wrong. So, lesson learned, he won't do it again. Sure it kind of sucks, but he'd end up a better person for it.

The other option might be that he'd have a really serious punishment, like a beating from the girl's father or something. In which case he'd have a right to sue for assault & battery, and maybe press criminal charges as well.

So either way, the end result wouldn't have been nearly as bad as dying.

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I have a daughter. Either way, the kid dies...whether I catch him or if he falls trying to climb out the window.

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Because he would've been there without any encouragement from your daughter, of course... [Roll Eyes]

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So either way, the end result wouldn't have been nearly as bad as dying.
But not as good as escaping without punishment.. I don't think the kid was planning on dying, I think that was the unfortunate end result of a poorly thought-out plan.

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I have a daughter. Either way, the kid dies...whether I catch him or if he falls trying to climb out the window.
I presume you are joking, at least about killing him, however why would it make you so angry? And would any of that anger be direct at your daughter as well? Even if there was no sign that they had been doing anything more then watching some TV togather?

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You will understand if you ever have a daughter.

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I don't speak for Mickey Blue, but if I ever have a daughter, I doubt I'll begin administering the death penalty to boys who spend time with her. I'd probably do more good for her out of jail than in it, no matter how badly I wanted to kill them.

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Stan, I believe from what I have seen of other of Mickey Blue's posts is that he knows a lot more than you think [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Stan:
You will understand if you ever have a daughter.

This should be made into a specific logical fallacy. I'd guess it is an appeal to authority, but it should have its own name, since it's used so often.

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"spending time with her" and being in your daughters room when you're not home and were told not top be there with the door locked and not answering it when you got home because said boyfirend didn't want to get caught fucking daddy's little girl and being scared to the point of hanging out a 15 story window are two different things. If the kid wasn't out of control to begin with he wouldn't have been hanging out the window. Let's call it "natural selection".

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Originally posted by Stan:
You will understand if you ever have a daughter.

We have four, and I was one.

I will put my experience up against yours any day.

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Oh I am SURE you have PLENTY of experience!

When you catch your 15 year old daughter getting banged by the kid that runs the drive through at burger king, let me know.

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What punishment will your daughter get?

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I'm curious, Stan, do you believe your daughter was an unwilling participant in the aforementioned incident? If so, you have a case.

If not, you are being hoodwinked by your "little girl."

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quote:
Originally posted by Stan:
"spending time with her" and being in your daughters room when you're not home and were told not top be there with the door locked and not answering it when you got home because said boyfirend didn't want to get caught fucking daddy's little girl and being scared to the point of hanging out a 15 story window are two different things. If the kid wasn't out of control to begin with he wouldn't have been hanging out the window. Let's call it "natural selection".

Did you read the article? There were 2 visitors, and the boy who died was not her boyfriend. It was a horrible tragedy that had nothing to do with fucking daddy's little girl.

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Dear $DEITY, it's hard to believe that some people are allowed to be responsible for a child's life.

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