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Sara at home
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Originally posted by Four Kitties:
There's no indication in the J-S article that they were on an overpass, trestle bridge, or other place where they could not avoid the train.

The first article linked in the OP said "The two were hit as the train passed over a highway...." and the map on the J-S site shows the spot where the accident occurred as the tracks crossed Drexel Avenue. According to the article, there are at least two sets of tracks.

I never walked on tracks and have no idea how wide or how much room beyond that needed for the tracks there is on an overpass or bridge. I do know that I was surprised at how little room there is on the ones around here when I finally got around to noticing.

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Overpasses and bridges I've seen around here all have little "safe spots" every 30 meters (roughly 100 feet) around here. Unless you do not spot the train until it is literally over you and you have no physical problems that would prevent you from running, you should never die for lack of a place to get out of harm's way. Is it the norm elsewhere too?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sara at home:
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Originally posted by Four Kitties:
There's no indication in the J-S article that they were on an overpass, trestle bridge, or other place where they could not avoid the train.

The first article linked in the OP said "The two were hit as the train passed over a highway...." and the map on the J-S site shows the spot where the accident occurred as the tracks crossed Drexel Avenue. According to the article, there are at least two sets of tracks.

I never walked on tracks and have no idea how wide or how much room beyond that needed for the tracks there is on an overpass or bridge. I do know that I was surprised at how little room there is on the ones around here when I finally got around to noticing.

If there were two sets of parallel tracks, then there would have been plenty of room on the other set of tracks.

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A quick look at Google Maps (satellite view) shows that the railroad bridge over Drexel Avenue, where the girls were killed, is double-tracked. In fact, the entire line is double-tracked as for far as I could follow it on Google.

Enough room for two trains to pass = enough room for one train to pass two teenagers. There's no question that they could have gotten out of the way.

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It's all rather the wrong question since train overpasses aren't supposed to have people walking on them.

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Neither are people supposed to be walking on the rest of the right-of-way.

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True, I'm just saying you really can't fault whoever built the train track for there not being enough room for these two to get out of the way.

Whether there was room or not is irrelevent, they shouldn't of been there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
Whether there was room or not is irrelevent,

It's relevent if the question is whether it was suicide or an accident. I thought that was why the whole question of could they have gotten out of the way if they wanted to came up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
True, I'm just saying you really can't fault whoever built the train track for there not being enough room for these two to get out of the way.

Whether there was room or not is irrelevent, they shouldn't of been there.

In an ideal world, nobody ever would need to get on railroad tracks. In practice, some people have to be on it once in a while (employees doing maintenance work, as an example). To have absolutely no way to protect them in case of an emergency is careless, IMHO. I don't think it is a crime, but I do believe it is very irresponsible.

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Oualawouzou, so far as I can see, you and Joe basically agree. Or am I mistaken?

I find I don't have a lot of sympathy for these girls because I think it's hard to sympathize with people you don't know who do stupid things.

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I only mentioned the engineer as the only witness because of my assesment of his feelings of guilt and attempts to rationalize the death of the girls. It's similar to the cop who swears he saw the suspect pull a gun. Of course it was a cassette but he really wants to believe that the dead man's a gun fell into a sewer grate or something.

My bias here, maybe the engineer needs to beleive that the deceased acted with intent insted of that they were trying to cross and misjudged. It's a bit similar to my line of work wherein we beat ourselves up for each fire fatality even though the fire started before we ever arrived.

It also could be that the girls were trying to commit suicide.

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I find it kind of hard to sympathize with people I dont know in the first place.. The fact that their demise came entierly by their own stupidity (ruling out suicide for the moment) just makes it moreso..

I suppose if it were from some issue I was familier with it may be different. Lets say hypothethetically a good friend of mine died by crossing the railroad tracks, it may dredge up those memories, but it woudln't really be feeling sorry for these two kids, but rather a masked feeling about my deceased friend.


I don't feel pity for these two.. Its not a system of me conciously rationing out my emotions. I didn't read about it and then sit down and get my Emotomior and calculate exactly how much of my emotional response they deserved. Its just a reaction. I hear about two people I don't know, who died by doing someging increadibly stupid (ruling out suicide for the moment) and I just feel.. Nothing.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not 'happy' they died, its more of an indifference. Two more people died.. It happens, and in this case it seems to have been their fault.

Maybe its cause I work around a good deal of death (ER and EMS) but I just don't have emotional reactions to people dying save for a few isolated situations (and of course people I know).

I don't personally think that makes me a bad person. Its just a fact of life for me. Its a shame two humans died, but I don't feel 'anything' for them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not 'happy' they died, its more of an indifference. Two more people died.. It happens, and in this case it seems to have been their fault.

I hate to say it, but that's kind of how I feel when I read something like this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
In an ideal world, nobody ever would need to get on railroad tracks. In practice, some people have to be on it once in a while (employees doing maintenance work, as an example). To have absolutely no way to protect them in case of an emergency is careless, IMHO. I don't think it is a crime, but I do believe it is very irresponsible.

Railroads are quite careful when they know someone is on the right-of-way. Track crew, inspectors, police, or anyone with any business being there, are protected by slow orders or outright suspension of train service until their activities are complete. Unfortunately, trespassers don't generally announce their intentions. Not much a railroad can do about that other than to never run trains.

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Originally posted by ParaDiddle:
It's similar to the cop who swears he saw the suspect pull a gun. Of course it was a cassette but he really wants to believe that the dead man's a gun fell down the sewer or something.

Not at all. The cop has a choice to fire at the perceived threat, whatever the justification. The engineer can do nothing but put the train into emergency, then sit there while it inevitably runs over the trespasser. Engineers do feel guilt when they strike a person, but even the most conscienced among them will admit that it wasn't their fault (see the forums at railroad.net for illustration of that).
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quote:
Originally posted by Seaboo Muffinchucker:
Oualawouzou, so far as I can see, you and Joe basically agree. Or am I mistaken?

Maybe. I think my stance is closer to Mickey Blue's.

It's been established the girls had room to avoid collision, so there are three hypothesis:

1) Suicide. In that case, I think it's tragic, not because of how they died but because it is a suicide. Usually, it means there is a history of Very Bad Things in their lives.

2) Caught completely by surprise. In that case, I file this more under "idiot" and, like MB, feels mostly indifference towards the girls (though I feel for their families... I'm no expert, but I'd wager that stupid deaths are the second most difficult thing to accept for friends and relatives, after suicide).

3) Somehow unable to avoid collision (the example someone gave in the thread of getting their shoelaces caught in the track). This I'd file under more tragic than caught by surprise, less tragic than suicide. Yes, they shouldn't have been there in the first place, that's true, but they still didn't do much to "deserve" this death. It'd be comparable, IMHO, to someone crossing a street, falling, knocking its head on a parked car or on the ground and not coming to his senses before being ran over. He shouldn't have been in the street in the first place, but his death is the result of extremely bad luck instead of pure carelessness.

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quote:
Originally posted by JFB:
quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
It's similar to the cop who swears he saw the suspect pull a gun. Of course it was a cassette but he really wants to believe that the dead man's a gun fell down the sewer or something.

Not at all. The cop has a choice to fire at the perceived threat, whatever the justification. The engineer can do nothing but put the train into emergency, then sit there while it inevitably runs over the trespasser. Engineers do feel guilt when they strike a person, but even the most conscienced among them will admit that it wasn't their fault (see the forums at railroad.net for illustration of that).
I'd just like to point out I'm not the one who made the cop comment.

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quote:
Originally posted by GenYus:
If there were two sets of parallel tracks, then there would have been plenty of room on the other set of tracks.

D'oh! [fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
quote:
Originally posted by JFB:
quote:
Originally posted by ParaDiddle:
It's similar to the cop who swears he saw the suspect pull a gun. Of course it was a cassette but he really wants to believe that the dead man's a gun fell down the sewer or something.

Not at all. The cop has a choice to fire at the perceived threat, whatever the justification. The engineer can do nothing but put the train into emergency, then sit there while it inevitably runs over the trespasser. Engineers do feel guilt when they strike a person, but even the most conscienced among them will admit that it wasn't their fault (see the forums at railroad.net for illustration of that).
I'd just like to point out I'm not the one who made the cop comment.
JFB first of all, I don't disagree with you regarding what choices each of these individuals had at their diposal. My post (I made the cop comment) only drew parallels to how the mind perceives and remembers traumatic events. That's it, no more-no less.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
It's all rather the wrong question since train overpasses aren't supposed to have people walking on them.

Yeah, and people aren't suppose to walk along limited access highways or cross roads where there are no cross walks or swim without a lifeguard or drive without seatbelts. But they do.

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quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
1) Suicide. In that case, I think it's tragic, not because of how they died but because it is a suicide. Usually, it means there is a history of Very Bad Things in their lives.

Not necessarily. A lot of people are suicidal and succeed at suicide who have no Very Bad Things in their lives. Recent gene research seems to have identified suicide genes.

Other recent studies have found that immature brains function differently than mature ones. Adolescents tend to be more impulsive, less rational than adults (over 25 in brain maturity).

I doubt anyone will ever know what was going on with these girls.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sara at home:
quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
1) Suicide. In that case, I think it's tragic, not because of how they died but because it is a suicide. Usually, it means there is a history of Very Bad Things in their lives.

Not necessarily. A lot of people are suicidal and succeed at suicide who have no Very Bad Things in their lives. Recent gene research seems to have identified suicide genes.

Other recent studies have found that immature brains function differently than mature ones. Adolescents tend to be more impulsive, less rational than adults (over 25 in brain maturity).

I doubt anyone will ever know what was going on with these girls.

I find suicides particularly terrible for those left behind because they will be forever questioning whether they could have done something to prevent it, or worse if they did something to promote it..

I doubt we'll ever know if this was a suicide or not, while the conductor would not be at fault in either case, by asserting to others (and himself) that it was a suicide may make it easier for him to cope, so he could be biased (intentionally or not).

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quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
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Originally posted by JFB:
quote:
Originally posted by Oualawouzou:
It's similar to the cop who swears he saw the suspect pull a gun. Of course it was a cassette but he really wants to believe that the dead man's a gun fell down the sewer or something.

Not at all. The cop has a choice to fire at the perceived threat, whatever the justification. The engineer can do nothing but put the train into emergency, then sit there while it inevitably runs over the trespasser. Engineers do feel guilt when they strike a person, but even the most conscienced among them will admit that it wasn't their fault (see the forums at railroad.net for illustration of that).
I'd just like to point out I'm not the one who made the cop comment.
That's irrelevant, sir. The question is: are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Hey, worked for McCarthy. But I'll just ask you to pardon the misattribution, then edit my post accordingly.

quote:
Originally posted by ParaDiddle:
JFB first of all, I don't disagree with you regarding what choices each of these individuals had at their diposal. My post only drew parallels to how the mind perceives and remembers traumatic events. That's it, no more-no less.

Got it. I still think that the absence of choice for the engineer skews that particular parallel, but there's no question that both are situations where one will feel tremendous guilt despite lack of fault.
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quote:
Originally posted by JFB:
That's irrelevant, sir. The question is: are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Hey, worked for McCarthy. But I'll just ask you to pardon the misattribution, then edit my post accordingly.

[lol] You are forgiven.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sara at home:
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
It's all rather the wrong question since train overpasses aren't supposed to have people walking on them.

Yeah, and people aren't suppose to walk along limited access highways or cross roads where there are no cross walks or swim without a lifeguard or drive without seatbelts. But they do.
And people aren't supposed to race trains to the crossings, poke hornets' nests with a stick, or work with wiring without shutting the power off.

But they do.

And the Darwin Awards are waiting for them all.

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But some of them do survive working with wiring without shutting off the power. Otherwise I would be a widow (with a very nice insurance settlement) instead of divorced (and nearly broke). And you claim we make our own luck? [lol]
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If I may be allowed one absurd argument a day (and an absurd hijack but this thread isn't going anywhere anyway): Why are the deaths of stupid people any less tragic than the deaths of intelligent people? Would you be any less devastated if they were, for example, your own children but they just happened to be not very bright?

If people are born stupid, and we have every reason to believe that many are, why don't we just laugh at all the people who are born with other fatal flaws, such as a bad heart or a genetic disease?

Also, isn't it just as stupid and therefore shouldn't it be just as funny when some guy with a seven figure salary dies of a heart attack becase he hasn't been eating right or exercising since he became wealthy? Why don't these cases make it to the so-called "Darwin Awards"?

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Did the wealthy man get riche because he was the lawyer for the fast food places, making the assertion that fried foods do not cause heart failure? Then, it would reek of humorous irony and the weathy man who died from heart failure due to years of eating fried foods WOULD be a pretty good Darwin Award candidate.
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quote:
Originally posted by GooglyEyes:
Did the wealthy man get riche because he was the lawyer for the fast food places, making the assertion that fried foods do not cause heart failure? Then, it would reek of humorous irony and the weathy man who died from heart failure due to years of eating fried foods WOULD be a pretty good Darwin Award candidate.

I suggest you go back and read the real "Darwin" Awards. There's barely a trace of "humorous irony" in any of them, usually just someone doing something risky and getting killed. Maybe you remember them as being far more poignant than they actually are.
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Yes, back in the day, they were extremely funny. My all time favorite was a person who took the paddin off a ski lift post so they could use it as a sled. They then crashed the padding into the unguarded ski post and died on impact. Brilliant. Sorry to reminisce.
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quote:
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Yes, back in the day, they were extremely funny. My all time favorite was a person who took the paddin off a ski lift post so they could use it as a sled. They then crashed the padding into the unguarded ski post and died on impact. Brilliant. Sorry to reminisce.

Yes, back in that day nearly all of them were made up.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
If I may be allowed one absurd argument a day (and an absurd hijack but this thread isn't going anywhere anyway): Why are the deaths of stupid people any less tragic than the deaths of intelligent people? Would you be any less devastated if they were, for example, your own children but they just happened to be not very bright?

I think it's because we really don't think these people are stupid. We may say it but deep down I don't think we mean it. They're ordinary people who have done something stupid. Big difference. And *that's* why this attitude of "tough noogies for them" bothers me so much. Can any of us stand here and hand on heart honestly say we've never done something stupid? Taken a risk that was a little riskier than it needed to be? Done something that in retrospect makes us seriously wonder about our sanity?

I am about the most laidback - okay timid!, unrisktakerish person you will ever meet and yet even I have had my incredibly stupid "what the hell was I thinking" moments.

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It's all rather the wrong question since train overpasses aren't supposed to have people walking on them.

Yeah, and people aren't suppose to walk along limited access highways or cross roads where there are no cross walks or swim without a lifeguard or drive without seatbelts. But they do.
And people aren't supposed to race trains to the crossings, poke hornets' nests with a stick, or work with wiring without shutting the power off.

But they do.

And the Darwin Awards are waiting for them all.

Adding to what Ganzfeld and Christie said (or maybe actually repeating it): These are average people doing pretty normal things. Foolish things, dangerous things, but not unusual things. Look how many people in this thread have admitted to doing exactly those things. I don't think that indicates they are particularly stupid. And their deeds certainly don't rise to the level of Darwin Awards. Just too common and ordinary.

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"Why don't they look? Tell me why don't they look?" +10 Point.

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If I may be allowed one absurd argument a day (and an absurd hijack but this thread isn't going anywhere anyway): Why are the deaths of stupid people any less tragic than the deaths of intelligent people? Would you be any less devastated if they were, for example, your own children but they just happened to be not very bright?
I doubt very much it would matter what the circumstances of your own childs death were, I have no doubt you'd feel very sad.

As for people viewing stupidity as worse.. Well aside from the 'black humor' about it (darwin awards and all) its really just about context. Much like somebody who dies rescuing children and puppies from a burning orphenage is considered more heroic then somebody who has a massive MI while watching Looney Toons in his underware at 1PM (my preferred way to go mind you), people who die on a train track are going to be viewed differnetly then somebody who dies by falling down the stairs. Its just human nature.

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If people are born stupid, and we have every reason to believe that many are, why don't we just laugh at all the people who are born with other fatal flaws, such as a bad heart or a genetic disease?
I don't think people are born stupid, beyond actual mental deficiancies which these girls don't appear to have I think people sort of start out on a similar level. Some are better then ohters but all seem to be on the same playing field.

Now while you could argue alot of things are stupid but understandable, I think that not understanding that walking on a railroad track carries with it the risk of being hit by a train is somewhat reckless. And yes, we have all done stupid things, and if we had died doing them somebody reading the news about it a world apart would probobly go "Pfft.. What an idiot", and rightly so.

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Also, isn't it just as stupid and therefore shouldn't it be just as funny when some guy with a seven figure salary dies of a heart attack becase he hasn't been eating right or exercising since he became wealthy? Why don't these cases make it to the so-called "Darwin Awards"?
Eh, possibly because its simply not original enough to be eye catching, but mostly because generally the darwin award is supposed to be about removing yourself from the gene pool (although it has been very corrupted over the years) thus it gets awarded to younger people who kick the bucket.

Also while not smart, I would not equate eating poorly to walking down the railroad tracks.

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Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
...Its just human nature.

Sounds like a copout to me.
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Eh, possibly because its simply not original enough to be eye catching, but mostly because generally the darwin award is supposed to be about removing yourself from the gene pool (although it has been very corrupted over the years) thus it gets awarded to younger people who kick the bucket.
I don't know which part to criticize because the whole paragraph is, frankly, laughable. The "Darwin Awards" have always been a collection of whatever urban legends and accidental death stories can be jazzed up to make them look extremely foolish. It has never had anything to do with any "gene pool" and it makes me chuckle to think that anyone believes this purported reason for the awards enough to say that it has "become corrupted over the years". (If anything, the current awards are vetted a little more seriously for veracity but, as I mentioned above, now most of the stories are of garden variety stupidity or foolishness.) Do you believe pro wrestling too?
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