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‘AN ISSUE OF PRIVACY': Silver Lake officials defend decision to keep quiet about students involved in sex act aboard bus
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Police said charges could be filed as early as next week against the two students involved in the sex act and three others who allegedly watched and made comments while it was taking place.
I almost posted this under crime because they are decding wether or not to prosecute people but then thought better discussion might be had in NFBSK. I saw this on the newspaper headlines at the drugstore earlier tonight and it stuck in my head.
I cannot post a link to the first article mentioned in the link above so I copied it and pasted below. If you want to see the original, go to the above link and click on "archives" to the left.
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January 08, 2003
Students applaud school bus sexcapade

By JIM DALY
The Patriot Ledger
Two Silver Lake students had sex on a school bus as other students cheered, Kingston police said.

The incident took place Dec. 12 in Kingston as the bus was on the way to Silver Lake Regional High School in Kingston and Silver Lake Regional Junior High School in Pembroke, authorities said.

The two students allegedly involved in the sex act were a 16-year-old male high school student and a 15-year-old female junior high school student, police Lt. David Griffiths said.

Three students cheered while the girl performed oral sex on the boy, he said.

All of the students involved, including those who cheered, will be charged, he said.

Griffiths said the Plymouth County District Attorney’s office is reviewing the case. ‘‘We’re not exactly sure what we’re charging them with,’’ he said.

He expects charges to be filed in a week or two against the five students involved.

Kingston police Sgt. Zachary Potrykus said school administrators told police about the incident on the afternoon of Dec. 12.

Silver Lake Regional High School Principal Richard Kelley said last night that the students ‘‘received appropriate discipline in school.’’ He would not say if they were suspended.

Kingston junior high and high school students routinely ride the same bus.

The Silver Lake Regional School District has students from Kingston, Pembroke, Halifax and Plympton.

Last year at the private Rivers School in Weston, five students were suspended after engaging in sexual activity in the back of a bus. Four male students and one female student were involved.

In ‘‘Rated Risky,’’ a three-part series on teens and sex published by The Patriot Ledger in May, teens said adults are unaware of the casual attitude toward sex in many high schools today.

They said they knew of incidents in which teens had sex on a bus on school field trips, in a teacher’s lounge and in a school elevator. One teen said he knew people who had sex under the bleachers at a sporting event.

The above quote is the same article because the site only posts archived articles for 14 days.
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We’re not exactly sure what we’re charging them with.
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I hate to say this, but, as we may agree, when you're a teen, where there's a will, there's a way.

Still, in front of other people? Boy, this girl has no idea what she's in store for in the future, sad to say.

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It's not clear what they actually did, but it is fairly evident it wasn't genital intercourse. If it was oral or even less than that, it wouldn't be difficult to hide it. I know it happens on airplanes so why not school busses. I'm not condoning it, just not expressing surprise that it happened.

Beach...and what can somebody who watched be charged with...Life!

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Beachlife you are mostly correct but, I would like to point out this line from the article:

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Three students cheered while the girl performed oral sex on the boy, he said.


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What I found interesting was that she is a 15-year-old junior high student. Maybe she has mental or LD issues. Just speculation but still interesting to me.

As for messing around on the bus, I can remember having my friends smell my finger after me and my girl sat next to me on the bus. I did not bring that up to prove I was a jerk but only to say that people cheering or laughing at a sex act is necessary criminal, just something jerks do.

However, I suspect coercion by the group of boys on a girl that may have issues.

I also cannot see why they would mix 12 year olds and 18 year olds together on one bus. To me they are asking for trouble, nothing like betting the future of you children in order to save 10 grand a year in tax money.

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I also cannot see why they would mix 12 year olds and 18 year olds together on one bus. To me they are asking for trouble, nothing like betting the future of you children in order to save 10 grand a year in tax money.

Buses now frequently, in order to save time and money, travel and pick up both middle school and high school students, then drop them off at their respective schools. This mixes 5-8th graders with 9-12th graders, because of lack of funds.

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The problem facing a lot of school districts up here is state funding. It got cut something fierce. Silver Lake district serves several small towns in one area. The thing that still astomishes me is how they could ahve done all this with the driver on there. And those huge ass mirrors. If I had been driving, I'd've pulled the hell over right then. I would be looking to see if I could charge the driver in this case.
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Originally posted by LittleDuck:
The problem facing a lot of school districts up here is state funding. It got cut something fierce. Silver Lake district serves several small towns in one area. The thing that still astomishes me is how they could ahve done all this with the driver on there. And those huge ass mirrors. If I had been driving, I'd've pulled the hell over right then. I would be looking to see if I could charge the driver in this case.
Little "never on a school bus but almost on a Greyhound" Duck

Yes because some places have laws about talking on a cell phone while driving, but we should expect a bus driver to drive and keep track of 30 kids at the same time. [Roll Eyes] Like I said before, the same thing happens on airplanes with flight attendants roaming the aisle. I don't think it is fair blame the bus driver. He/she has enough to do already.

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What I found interesting was that she is a 15-year-old junior high student. Maybe she has mental or LD issues. Just speculation but still interesting to me.

I wouldn't normally expect an LD student to be more likely to perform sex acts on another student in public. Unless there is some study I missed.

The age could be explained a number of ways. I went to a middle school which included 9th graders. Depending on the cutoff date and time of year she could have been 15 in 8th grade. She might have been held back or had a delayed entry to kindergarden for maturity reasons. All of these are rather common.

Beach...you can always find a couple of stupid kids to chear anything...Life!

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I also cannot see why they would mix 12 year olds and 18 year olds together on one bus. To me they are asking for trouble, nothing like betting the future of you children in order to save 10 grand a year in tax money.

Because in some places it's be about impossible not to? My school mixed everything from 4 year olds to 18 year olds on buses together. They did that mainly because even then the buses were only half full. I haven't looked at the details here, but sometimes small schools don't have the option. Putting people on a bus togeher is hardly inherantly "betting the future of your children".
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I also cannot see why they would mix 12 year olds and 18 year olds together on one bus. To me they are asking for trouble, nothing like betting the future of you children in order to save 10 grand a year in tax money.

Because in some places it's be about impossible not to? My school mixed everything from 4 year olds to 18 year olds on buses together. They did that mainly because even then the buses were only half full. I haven't looked at the details here, but sometimes small schools don't have the option. Putting people on a bus togeher is hardly inherantly "betting the future of your children".
Same thing at my school. I went to a rural high school that went from grades 7-12. We all rode the same bus. It would've been way beyond irresponsible fiscally to run separate buses for, say, 7-8 and 9-12. Nobody went down on anybody in the 5 years I rode that bus, and it wasn't all that long ago.

My district had enough problems scraping together enough cash to buy proper materials. Unlike 99% of the US, the teachers at my school were actually overpaid, but that's a different thread. [Smile]

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Originally posted by meanjelly:
What I found interesting was that she is a 15-year-old junior high student. Maybe she has mental or LD issues. Just speculation but still interesting to me.

Aren't there still some places that have junior high schools instead of middle schools? When I was in junior high, that meant 7th through 9th grades. My 8th grade year my school changed from a junior high to a middle school which was 6th through 8th. If she was a junior high student by that definition then it's not unusual at all for her to be 15.

As for mixing ages on buses, that didn't happen where I grew up but my oldest son is in kindergarten and on his bus there are middle schoolers and high schoolers. I don't like it, but there's not much I can do about it.
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I forgot about 7 through 9 I was thinking more like 7 and 8 for junior high.

Also forgot about small schools.

Oh well that is what happens when you post on pure speculation.

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Originally posted by meanjelly:
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I also cannot see why they would mix 12 year olds and 18 year olds together on one bus. To me they are asking for trouble, nothing like betting the future of you children in order to save 10 grand a year in tax money.

Buses now frequently, in order to save time and money, travel and pick up both middle school and high school students, then drop them off at their respective schools. This mixes 5-8th graders with 9-12th graders, because of lack of funds.
This also happens in districts with magnet school. Kids attending a school "out-of-zone" are able to ride the buses if they're in a magnet program. In our area, these kids ride the bus to the middle school where they board another bus to go to their school.

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I have to say, all the way through my schooling years, my bus had years 1-12 on the same bus, and I dont think any of us considered indulging in 'sex acts' on the back seat!

The other thing that strikes me as particularly bizzare about this whole scenario, is that they think they can charge all the kids involved - including those who were just cheering! What the?! Does that mean that they will now hit up everyone who watches illegal porn with whatever they're charging these poor bastards with?

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I have to say, all the way through my schooling years, my bus had years 1-12 on the same bus, and I dont think any of us considered indulging in 'sex acts' on the back seat!

The other thing that strikes me as particularly bizzare about this whole scenario, is that they think they can charge all the kids involved - including those who were just cheering! What the?! Does that mean that they will now hit up everyone who watches illegal porn with whatever they're charging these poor bastards with?

Criminal Solicitation. It's like that movie, The Accused, where Jodie Foster plays the girl who got raped at the bar while onlookers cheered on. It's a crime to actively encourage another crime.
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That's funny. When a girl gave a guy a blow job on the back of the bus during our 8th grade trip, all that happened was they had to write papers about personal respect. This was in, um, 88 or 89. Oh, and of course the girl involved was forever more known as "BJ."

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One time, on the band bus...

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Well, yeah, on a BAND bus. You've got a two hour trip home in the dark after a football game. There's all kinds of opportunity. But not on a school bus in the broad daylight!

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Well, yeah, on a BAND bus. You've got a two hour trip home in the dark after a football game. There's all kinds of opportunity. But not on a school bus in the broad daylight!

Yeap That is why I joined band during my Junior year. The only thing I could play was cymbols, man they could get heavy too but it was worth for the ride home thats for sure. [Big Grin]

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This same thing happen while I was in high school.( grad in 2000). Even if the act was consensual, it is still a crime. The onlookers were part of the because associate (unsure if that is the correct name for it though). It like if someone says there gonna do something and they do it and u knew but didn't tell thing. My only question for the girl, who I think we'll get the worse end in all this, is Was it worth doing that and now having people see you as the girl who got caught giveing a BJ to some guy?
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Why is it that the first people to have sex are usually the last people who should reproduce?
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Imagine being one of the parents being phoned about your child's behaviour [Eek!] Or, imagine having to make that phone call home.

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Criminal Solicitation. It's like that movie, The Accused, where Jodie Foster plays the girl who got raped at the bar while onlookers cheered on. It's a crime to actively encourage another crime. [/QB]
Yes but is a 15-year old girl performing a consensual sex act on a 16-year old boy a crime? I don't think statutory rape would come into play because of his age.

I'm pretty sure they'd be able to hit them up with indecent exposure or disturbing the peace.

I'm not sure your example would apply. In The Accused, they were cheering on a rapist, and encouraging a crime. I don't know the state's laws on sex between minors, but it might not be a sex crime occurred at all.

Someone brought up an interesting point about her being a 15-year old junior high school student. I believe I was a sophomore in high school at 15. There have been infamous cases of sexual predators exploiting the naivete of the developmentally disabled.

It's also possible that those cheering didn't egg them on to do it. They might have just noticed what was going on after it started and enjoyed the show.

When I was in my computer science class, there was a dating couple in my class and she pretty much gave the guy handjobs under the desk the entire semester.

Everybody knew about it, but nobody said anything.

I can't imagine being charged for a crime for not stopping it.

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Yes but is a 15-year old girl performing a consensual sex act on a 16-year old boy a crime? I don't think statutory rape would come into play because of his age.

I'm pretty sure they'd be able to hit them up with indecent exposure or disturbing the peace.

I'm not sure your example would apply. In The Accused, they were cheering on a rapist, and encouraging a crime. I don't know the state's laws on sex between minors, but it might not be a sex crime occurred at all.

Someone brought up an interesting point about her being a 15-year old junior high school student. I believe I was a sophomore in high school at 15. There have been infamous cases of sexual predators exploiting the naivete of the developmentally disabled.

It's also possible that those cheering didn't egg them on to do it. They might have just noticed what was going on after it started and enjoyed the show.

When I was in my computer science class, there was a dating couple in my class and she pretty much gave the guy handjobs under the desk the entire semester.

Everybody knew about it, but nobody said anything.

I can't imagine being charged for a crime for not stopping it. [/QB]

Indecent exposure, lewd and lascivious behavior, both crimes. I believe that's what they're actually being charged with. I didn't mean to imply that nothing consensual was goign on.
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From the second article (I posted the link a few days ago):

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The students involved in the alleged sex act could face charges of lewd and lascivious behavior, according to one law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation, who added that reports of other students cheering "may have been embellished".


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You know I hate to say it but this happens a lot. When I was in high school our marching band was ranked as one of the best in the Northwest and we traveled to competitions all over, always by school bus. Sex on the buses was a given thing. It is amazing the things that can be done.
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Sex on the buses was a given thing. It is amazing the things that can be done.

(winces) And to think that MY band got in trouble just because someone vomited through the window!

Don't you have chaperones?

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The chaperones sit at the FRONT of the bus, by the driver, and generally BS and gossip with each other the entire time, paying no attention.

All the major squelching goes on in the far rear seats.

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Then it's high time to kick the chaperones off the bus, and get some who actually know why their trip is being paid for. People who aren't afraid of being "uncool" by telling kids to stop what they're doing.

Seriously, the idea that having sex in public is acceptable behaviour is not something that most parents would want their children to be learning on school time, any more than dope smoking, or the ever popular pasttime of beating up the weaker kids.

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Chaperoning is entirely political. Nobody not in the "in" group is ever called, even if they are on the list. My mother was on our band's list from the time I was in 7th grade until I graduated. Never was called once. Other kid's folks went to nearly every event.

As for the rest... yes, but you've got pot-smoking parents and parents who use violence to solve everything, too, so...

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Chaperoning is entirely political. Nobody not in the "in" group is ever called, even if they are on the list. My mother was on our band's list from the time I was in 7th grade until I graduated. Never was called once. Other kid's folks went to nearly every event.


That's too bad. I'm sure they didn't ever have enough people and they'd have been glad to have her. Speaking as the person who has to call and beg people to be chaperones, volunteers, etc. I will tell you that it's pretty darn discouraging to repeatedly call people who are "on the list" and get turned down. There's a reason that only a handful of parents chaperone. They're the only ones who ever show up. [/rant]

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Originally posted by Spam & Cookies-mmm:
That's too bad. I'm sure they didn't ever have enough people and they'd have been glad to have her. Speaking as the person who has to call and beg people to be chaperones, volunteers, etc. I will tell you that it's pretty darn discouraging to repeatedly call people who are "on the list" and get turned down. There's a reason that only a handful of parents chaperone. They're the only ones who ever show up. [/rant]

Saddly, that is the case with most things at schools these days. A very small percentage of parents participate actively. I am surpised that my daughter's friends consider me near heroic because I'll give anyone a ride home, all they have to do is find my daughter after school. One friend actually argued with her and told her I'd be angry if she didn't warn me first.

Beach...yea driving 5 minutes out of my way, that'll piss me off...Life!

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Christie
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Originally posted by BeachLife:
I am surpised that my daughter's friends consider me near heroic because I'll give anyone a ride home, all they have to do is find my daughter after school. One friend actually argued with her and told her I'd be angry if she didn't warn me first.

Beach...yea driving 5 minutes out of my way, that'll piss me off...Life!

We're the same. I don't know how often we end up driving home a car full of kids after a party or dance or whatever. What really kills me is that the parents of these girls have no intention of providing their kids with a drive home. This is Ottawa, maybe its not NYC but its still a big city and it gets very dark very early in the winter and bloody cold into the bargain (-24 C tonight).

Its always this way, a handful of parents end up doing all the driving, all the chaperoning, all the "sure your friends are always welcome here" at a moments noticing. Seem to remember it being like that when I was a kid too for that matter.

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