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Making the rounds in email. Authentic or not? Any word?
quote: August 1st 2006
Dear Mr. Gibson,
I am one Jew who doesn't accept your apology today. I don't accept it, because you have spit on the graves of the Goldwyns, the Warners, the Mayers, the Cohns, the Foxes, the Thalbergs, the Selznicks, the Zukors and the thousands of other Jews both living and dead who have made your questionable career possible.
When you do get out of "rehab" and recount your millions, please consider how much of your fortune you would have if you had made your true feelings known, when you were starting out in the film industry.
You are a despicable human being, one that doesn't even have the sense to realize that he has repeatedly bitten the hand that fed him. Whatever you (or your publicity agents) say today, does not even begin to redress your long standing theories about the Jewish people. Apparently the apple does not fall far from the tree. If you haven't yet distanced yourself from your father's views of the Holocaust, why should the Jewish community meet with you, or believe anything you have to say now.
Your words are a thinly veiled attempt to admit that you really messed up this time, and you want to cover yourself, so that you can continue to be adored and further your revenue stream.
The truth is, you are an unreformed, unrepentant anti semite of the worst kind, and your hollow outreach is worth less than the price of your next drink, which will surely find itself in your hands before long. I'm buying.
Of course, if I am wrong, you could start by donating $1,000,000 today to the State of Israel in her time of need.
Surely that is a small public relations price to pay for a man of your stature who "honors all of God's children".
Steven Spielberg New Rochelle, NY
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I'll call BS right now. I don't know if the "Steven Spielberg" is supposed to be the famous film maker, but I don't believe he lives in New Rochelle if he is.
And CactusWren, I love that sigline!
EDIT: The letter is posted on "What's New" as "undetermined," and states that Mr. Spielberg resides in Pacific Palisades CA. The investigation continues.
Should have read "What's New" first.
Oh, all right...
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I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
Is this sarcastic? It is so ridiculous that I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. If so, LOL. If not:
The only large war (or at least the largest war) that the US is involved in currently is Iraq. It may in fact be the one war in the Middle East not realated to Israel (hyperbole alert). The stated reasons include WMD and violations of UN resolutions- basically an extension of the first Gulf War, which was in defense of Kuwait, not Israel. Also atrocities against ethnic minorities that happen to not be Jewish. Unstated reasons include access to oil. There's also misleading rhetoric imlying a connection to 9/11. One might argue that all the grief in the Middle East is about US support of Israel, but that is just not true. Even Iran's muscle flexing is about their own position in the region, not Israel.
Amongst other areas with large troop deployment are Korea and Cuba. Maybe a Jew here and there, probably an American businessman or soldier.
Go back a few years and there are Somalia and Bosnia. Jews?
Before that there was that whole Soviet Union thing. Remember them? Now, Jews were trying to get out, but I don't think any US offensives were lead to airlift them or anything.
Not to pick on Asia, but the other previous big wars were in Korea and Vietnam. Kosher kimchee anyone?
Did I forget all of the stuff in this hemisphere? El Salvador, Nicaragua, Panama, Grenada? Donde esta Los Jews?
quote:I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
Among all the other idiocies in that statement, I'd point out that "Israel" is not the same thing as "Jews." Not all Jews are Israelis, nor are all Israelis Jews.
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"Donde esta los Jews"! thanks for the snicker!
I'm confused as to where the Jews were in the American Revolution, the war of 1812, the French and Indian war, the war with Mexico for Texas, the war between the states, and the first world war.
The Jews were involved in WW2 but quite involuntarily, as kindling, mostly. And only in half of it at that - the war with Japan had nothing to do with The Final Solution.
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quote:the first Gulf War, which was in defense of Kuwait
That's usually considered the second Gulf War. The first was Iran vs Iraq.
You are correct, Sir. Or perhaps we are both wrong and there were other Gulf wars before that. Regardless, I was using a US-centric phrase in response to a comment about wars in which the US is involved. 'Round these here parts, especially earlier in the current US war/occupation in Iraq, if someone was talking about the one in 1990/1991, the term "first Gulf war" was used. Not coincidentally, we need to differentiate between the sitting Presidents in a similar way, or with middle initials. But you knew all that and were being a smartass. Posts: 400 | From: Maryland | Registered: Jun 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
No doubt you will try to weasel your way out of the idiocy of your post by claiming some tenuous link between Israel and the wars in Iraq and Afghannistan and then stressing that St. Mel only used the present tense. But if you're going to defend the antisemetic tirade of some raving loon, the least you can do is quote him correctly.
quote: Gibson's comments included, "F------ Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and that he asked a deputy, "Are you a Jew?"
Do you still think he "wasn't incorrect?"
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quote:Originally posted by Troberg: I also wanted to promote a clearer terminology, such as Iran-Iraq war, Iraq-Kuwait war and Iraq-US war. No chance of misunderstanding there.
Not that the current terminology is crystal clear, but I doubt that there would be "no chance of misunderstanding" as there is unfortunately likely to be at least one repeat in there eventually.
Oh, and we prefer to call it the "Iraq-Coalition of The Willing(TM) War" on this side of the pond. Posts: 400 | From: Maryland | Registered: Jun 2005
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It's amazing how people become able to speak their true mind when drunk.
So, apparently, old Mel made a fool of himself and now pathetically tries to save his reputation and carreer with half-hearted apologies. "Braveheart" indeed.
Shame. I quite enjoyed his movies (except for the latest ones). Sic transit gloria mundi.
Major "in vino veritas" D.Saster
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
Not so very long ago, a poster on these boards posited that all of humanity's achievements were the work of black or at least very dark-skinned people. Before that poster ceased to post, we learned that hitherto unsuspected black people included the inhabitants of Ireland, and Beethoven. Indeed, one almost felt that the poster believed if someone had achieved something of merit, he or she must by definition be black.
Perhaps Ophiuchus has had a corresponding revelation?
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
Given your comments in other threads I can well believe that you have no problem with what Gibson said. You are really on the wrong messageboard though if you think your anti-semitism is going to go unnoticed let alone get a pass.
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: I still don't get why anyone is offended by what Gibson said. Israel (Jews) is in fact very much responsible, directly or indirectly, for all wars the U.S.
So he wasn't incorrect that 'Jews are responsible for all wars the U.S. is in', which is different than 'All Jews are responsible for war' which is what people seem to interpret it as.
So this is what happens when bad info meets bigotry, eh? Please do not breed, Ophiuchus. I only hope I'm not too late.
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I do feel very foolish for not checking. But it seems I've triggered, at least, some interesting discussion ...
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quote: ....you have spit on the graves of the Goldwyns, the Warners, the Mayers, the Cohns, the Foxes, the Thalbergs, the Selznicks, the Zukors and the thousands of other Jews both living and dead who have made your questionable career possible.
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On a side note, how do you spit of the the graves of someone who is living?
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quote:Originally posted by robbiev - singin' off key: On a side note, how do you spit of the the graves of someone who is living?
We have already picked out a Columbarium (sp?) slot for our ashes, so you could go to our church and spit on our graves...
Many people buy plots in advance. You could spit on their graves, I suppose, although it lacks meaning when they're not actually in there. . .
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From the compact oxford english dictionary.
• noun 1 a hole dug in the ground to receive a coffin or corpse.
So surely until the hole is dug it is only a plot of ground?
P.s. To be really pedantic till the grave has been covered over you can only spit into their grave.
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quote:Originally posted by Lainie: ...although it lacks meaning when they're not actually in there. . .
That's really more along the lines of what I meant. I know the actual grave plot of someone who isn't dead yet can exist before the person is dead, the statement just sounded funny.
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I'm surprised I haven't been sent a copy of this by one particular co-worker yet. After she started including me in the CC lists I tried replying with links here and to other places, but the OMG-Hit-Reply-And-Paste-In-Everyone reflex seems to be well ingrained.
I am rather dismayed with Gibson though, it's like he decided, "Why stick one foot in my mouth when I can try to fit both feet and both hands at the same time." DUI, sure looks like it. Prejudicial ranty rambling, check. Raising the level of confrontation, check. Making arrogant comments, check. Add me to the list of people likely to be less inclined to watch his movies (not that I was a big fan to begin with).
Remind me again why it's a bad thing I haven't ever had a beer?
Hmm. The Jew != Isreal comment reminds me of another forum some years pre-internet where someone had to point out that, "No, Jewish is not the name of the language the Torah is written in."
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Sometimes, not always, these fake letters from celebrities raise good points, however their credibility is only harmed when people find that they weren't written by their listed authors. I find myself annoyed by this, if a person has something to say, and can word it well, why must they hide behind the name of a generic celebrity? And I can think of a huge number of Jewish people in the film industry who would make more sense to use then Spielberg, him being a quiet and rarely mentioned figure nowadays.
Also, and I hope I don't offend, I've been quite annoyed by the dicussion about this on both sides of the spectrum. Last time I checked, isn't Judaism a religion? Why is slander of the Jewish being called racist? Its bigoted and prejudicial, but it ignores the fact that religion is a personal choice, and not a trait that one is born into. It insults all involved parties and obscures the issue to call it racism.
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quote:Originally posted by Jay Fear: Last time I checked, isn't Judaism a religion? Why is slander of the Jewish being called racist? Its bigoted and prejudicial, but it ignores the fact that religion is a personal choice, and not a trait that one is born into. It insults all involved parties and obscures the issue to call it racism.
While it would be going a bit too far to describe Judaism as a race, it is certainly more than just a religion. For example, one can be Jewish without believing in God (or in any of the scriptural tenets) or ever going to Synagogue. Furthermore, the children of a Jewish person* (as described above) would still be considered to be Jewish simply because of their birth status (although anyone can convert out of the religion and thus cease to become Jewish that way).
"Racism" is usually not a good term to describe anti-Jewish predjudice; "anti-Semitism" is usually clearer.
*In traditional (Orthodox or other Halachic) Judaism, only children of a Jewish mother are considered Jewish; in the Reform tradition, children of a Jewish father may also be considered Jewish.
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