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noreen
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I saw this concerning advice about shampoo:

And Johnson's baby shampoo is no-more-tears because of the novacaine in it.

Is anyone near a bottle to read ingredients?


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BongoFury
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My Mom makes me wash my hair with teatree shapmoo beause of head Lice. She says that Baaby Shampoo is for Babys so I am too old for it. I am sorry I do not have a bottle to looke at. Sorry.
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laocoon
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Huh. Ok.

Anyway, I went to Johnson & Johnson's site on the product and they attribute the "no tears" aspect to the fact that it lacks soap and alcohol, which makes sense.

Dunno how it cleans without soap, probably some other non-caustic miscelle formula or something.

Ingredients:

quote:

Water, Peg-80 Sorbitan Laurate, Cocamido-Propyl Betaine, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, Glycerin, Lauroamphoglycinate, Peg-150 Distearate, Sodium Laureth-13 Carboxylate, Fragrance, Polyquaternium-10, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Citric Acid, D&C Yellow No. 10, D&C Orange No. 4.

Could be wrong, but I would assume that novacaine is a controlled substance too, so I doubt it'd show up in OTC shampoo.


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Kathy B
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According to the J&J web site
INGREDIENTS:
Water, Peg-80 Sorbitan Laurate, Cocamido-Propyl Betaine, Sodium Trideceth Sulfate, Glycerin, Lauroamphoglycinate, Peg-150 Distearate, Sodium Laureth-13 Carboxylate, Fragrance, Polyquaternium-10, Tetrasodium EDTA, Quaternium-15, Citric Acid, D&C Yellow No. 10, D&C Orange No. 4.

And, to save you the trouble of looking, here's the page on sodium laureth sulfate

Kathy "Sahmpoo? Never! Real poo or nothing!" B.
[edit--curses! too late again!]

[This message has been edited by Kathy B (edited 09-20-2000).]


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Kiwibird
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Let's apply a little logic here, m'dears.
Novocaine is a prescription drug. It's not
available OTC. Therefore, it wouldn't be
an ingredient in a baby product.

Johnson & Johnson tells us that the product is hypollergenic and soap-free. At the time the product came along, this was pretty stunningly original, since before that, people weren't able to use shampoos on their kids without causing red and painful eyes because of the soap and other harsh chemicals.

OK? Does logic penetrate the fog a little?

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Lackwit
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Let's apply a little more logic: has anyone who has ever handled Johnson's baby shampoo noticed that their hands turn numb? Or scalp or eyes? Besides, even if shampoo contained novocaine, it would still irritate eyes, so they'd still turn red and bloodshot. I'm not sure, but I'd imagine that novocaine itself might even irritate eyes.
So now we've got shampoo that not only causes cancer, it numbs your brain. Terrific.

Lackwit

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noreen
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Let's apply a little logic here, m'dears.
Novocaine is a prescription drug. It's not
available OTC. Therefore, it wouldn't be
an ingredient in a baby product.
Johnson & Johnson tells us that the product is hypollergenic and soap-free. At the time the product came along, this was pretty stunningly original, since before that, people weren't able to use shampoos on their kids without causing red and painful eyes because of the soap and other harsh chemicals.

I was pretty sure this wasn't true, but wondered if there were any ingredients that could be misconstrued as novocaine or something similar.

I have a memory from 3 or 4 years old, how it took two people to wash my hair because I scream and struggled so much. Then my mother discovered J&J baby shampoo and it didn't hurt anymore.

Does anyone know when J&J baby shampoo debuted?


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tdn
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Anyone that uses baby shampoo is a numbskull.

Sorry, someone had to say it.


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Jeremy
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Another bit of logic for us... (not that it already hasn't been debunked...)

Novacaine is not instant-numbing... so even IF it was legal OTC (which it isn't) you'd feel the pain for a short time before the drug took effect.


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Jon Up North
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The active part of shampoo comes from a family of chemicals known as "surfactants". Sodium Laureth Sulfate and Potasium Laureth Sulfate are two of the most common. These handy little molecules have one end which is hydrophilic and another which is hydrophobic. The result is that one end grabs oil from the hair and then hitches on to the water for a short ride into the drain. The problem with suractants is that, when they get into the eyes, the keep doing their job. The tear film on the eye is mostly water with a bit of oil and it acts as a protective barrier. Surfactants pretty much remove this protection. It gets worse though, they do a fine job of stimulating nerves in the eye. This hurts.

No Tears shampoos also contain surfactants, but they piggyback a larger molecule on the surfactant to keep it from getting into the sensitive tissues in the eye. The substance is called and Amphoteric Surfactant. The molecule still holds the same oil/water binding properties, but it is too big to get through tissue etc. The result is... well... no more tears.

Two problems with amphoteric surfactants. 1) They are rather expensive to produce.

2) They don't lather..

Consumers like lathering because it makes them think the shampoo is working. I invite any of you to buy a few different varieties of "no tears" shampoo, use them, and try to work up a decent lather. You'll end up with very clean hair, but only a few sudds..

Amphoteric surfactants are how the shampoos keep tears away.

Jon 'No lather, no tears, no novocaine" Up North


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Spicymos
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quote:
Originally posted by BongoFury:
My Mom makes me wash my hair with teatree shapmoo beause of head Lice. She says that Baaby Shampoo is for Babys so I am too old for it. I am sorry I do not have a bottle to looke at. Sorry.

you too??


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Bob McClenon
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quote:
Originally posted by laocoon:
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Anyway, I went to Johnson & Johnson's site on the product and they attribute the "no tears" aspect to the fact that it lacks soap and alcohol, which makes sense.

Dunno how it cleans without soap, probably some other non-caustic miscelle formula or something.

Ingredients:
Could be wrong, but I would assume that novacaine is a controlled substance too, so I doubt it'd show up in OTC shampoo.


It is true that novocaine is a prescription medication. (In fact, it is normally not prescribed, but administered by injection by a physician, dentist, or nurse anesthetist. I don't know if pharmacists carry it.) However, xylocaine, which is similar to novocaine but is a topical anesthetic and is applied to the skin, is an ingredient in some OTC medical products for use in the mouth (on cold sores or on the gums of teething babies).

The question of whether the shampoo contains a local anesthetic has been answered. It does not. A few OTC products for pain relief do. They are sold as non-prescription drugs, not as cosmetics.

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