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Add her to the list of what the NFBSK is wrong with you, you sick, sick person! With her KIDS in the room?
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Not to say that this at all makes the situation any better, but I was a bit relieved to see that the victim was seventeen (nearly a legal "adult") rather than some of the 10-12 year-old victims that have been cropping up in other cases. This of course doesn't excuse the teacher's behavior in the least, but I'm just personally much more disturbed by cases like this when the victim is still prepubescent. I just can't understand what is going through the head's of people who are in situations where they're supposed to be teaching and mentoring kids, and instead they abuse them. It makes me wonder if they get into these positions specifically so that they have the opportunity to do this.
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Actually in Colorado the age of consent is 17.
The reason this situation is illegal is because her position as a teacher is "one of trust", when means she can't have sex with students under the age of 18.
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Please note that the term "actor" is in reference to the person doing the action, not a thespian.
18-3-405. Sexual assault on a child.
(1) Any actor who knowingly subjects another not his or her spouse to any sexual contact commits sexual assault on a child if the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim.
18-3-405.3. Sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust.
(1) Any actor who knowingly subjects another not his or her spouse to any sexual contact commits sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust if the victim is a child less than eighteen years of age and the actor committing the offense is one in a position of trust with respect to the victim.
(2) Sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust is a class 3 felony if:
(a) The victim is less than fifteen years of age; or
(b) The actor commits the offense as a part of a pattern of sexual abuse as described in subsection (1) of this section. No specific date or time need be alleged for the pattern of sexual abuse; except that the acts constituting the pattern of sexual abuse must have been committed within ten years prior to or at any time after the offense charged in the information or indictment. The offense charged in the information or indictment shall constitute one of the incidents of sexual contact involving a child necessary to form a pattern of sexual abuse as defined in section 18-3-401 (2.5).
(3) Sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust is a class 4 felony if the victim is fifteen years of age or older but less than eighteen years of age and the offense is not committed as part of a pattern of sexual abuse, as described in paragraph (b) of subsection (2) of this section.
(4) If a defendant is convicted of the class 3 felony of sexual assault on a child pursuant to paragraph (b) of subsection (2) of this section, the court shall sentence the defendant in accordance with the provisions of section 18-1.3-406.
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Here's some questions for discussion about the general issues:
Why should it be legal to have an affair with an 18yo but not a 17yo, or even a 16yo? Wouldn't it be more just and rational to enact a law that bases sexual molestation on the readiness of the individual victim rather than impose an arbitrary number of days since that person's birth? Frequently, there are people over the age of consent who suffer deeply from scars from mutually consentual adult relations because, even though they are "old enough" in the state's eyes, they are still emotionally unequipped for the psychological burdens of sex and relationships (insert photo of Britney Spears).
As an allusion, 16yo's are old enough to drive, but they still need to pass a driver's test to prove they are ready. Wouldn't it be a good idea to make all 18yo's pass a psychological evaluation before they're considered to be an adult, to prove that they are mature enough to enter adult life? Better yet, how about allowing them to take the test as young as they want? Wouldn't that be fair to the 15 and 16yo's who are sometimes more mature than their 18 or 19yo siblings?
And, about the fact that her kids were present: all the time, parents have sex in hotel rooms with their kids present (perhaps quietly under the sheets). Many kids see their parents naked. Why is the presence of children in this instance an issue? Will seeing people engaged in a natural ritual or in a state of nudity scar these kids for life?
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Sex is a ritual for you?... You must be engaged in some interesting foreplay.
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Illusion: As an allusion, 16yo's are old enough to drive, but they still need to pass a driver's test to prove they are ready. Wouldn't it be a good idea to make all 18yo's pass a psychological evaluation before they're considered to be an adult, to prove that they are mature enough to enter adult life?
Been out on the roads lately? You really think the driver's test is effective? You really think applying the same kind of standard to "adult life" would be justified?
I'd say it would be terrible, almost as bad as granting rights based on some nearly irrelevant factor like, say, age.
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quote:And, about the fact that her kids were present: all the time, parents have sex in hotel rooms with their kids present (perhaps quietly under the sheets). Many kids see their parents naked. Why is the presence of children in this instance an issue? Will seeing people engaged in a natural ritual or in a state of nudity scar these kids for life?
Depends on whether they're able to successfully integrate the experience into their psyche. That depends on their education in these matters. Education comes from various sources, only some of which are controllable by the parents themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by Soft Hyphen: Been out on the roads lately? You really think the driver's test is effective? You really think applying the same kind of standard to "adult life" would be justified?
I'd say it would be terrible, almost as bad as granting rights based on some nearly irrelevant factor like, say, age.
Imagine what the roads would be like if all 16yo's were allowed to drive simply by virtue of them being "old enough," without any required knowledge of laws or safety or a car's controls. Yet, we release 18yo's into the wild and allow them to use the equipment between their legs without requiring them to understand academically or emotionally what they're exposing themselves to.
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Illusion: Imagine what the roads would be like if all 16yo's were allowed to drive simply by virtue of them being "old enough," without any required knowledge of laws or safety or a car's controls. Yet, we release 18yo's into the wild and allow them to use the equipment between their legs without requiring them to understand academically or emotionally what they're exposing themselves to.
The main reason for laws regarding driving is the harm that can be done by the driver to other people. The restrictions on operating motor vehicles are justified by the reduced risk to innocent people who are driving properly and do not consent to the risks they might be exposed to otherwise.
When's the last time a horny teenager had sex and caused a pileup? (No jokes, please. Actually, what do I care? Knock yourselves out.)
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Illusion: Here's some questions for discussion about the general issues:
Why should it be legal to have an affair with an 18yo but not a 17yo, or even a 16yo?
In the OP case, as maxoftat already pointed out, the issue is not the boy's age but the teacher's abuse of her position.
quote: Wouldn't it be more just and rational to enact a law that bases sexual molestation on the readiness of the individual victim rather than impose an arbitrary number of days since that person's birth?
More just and rational? Maybe. Practicable? Not even remotely.
quote:And, about the fact that her kids were present: all the time, parents have sex in hotel rooms with their kids present (perhaps quietly under the sheets). Many kids see their parents naked.
Assuming that really happens all the time, there's a big difference, IMO, between mom and dad (or one parent and their established partner) having sex with the kids sleeping in the room, versus mom bringing home one of her students (or any other random guy) and having sex with the kids in the room.
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Illusion: And, about the fact that her kids were present: all the time, parents have sex in hotel rooms with their kids present (perhaps quietly under the sheets).
"All the time"? Are you there to personally witness it? Has a poll been taken? Pardon my skepticism, but I doubt this happens "all the time".
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quote:Originally posted by Grand Illusion: And, about the fact that her kids were present: all the time, parents have sex in hotel rooms with their kids present (perhaps quietly under the sheets).
"All the time"? Are you there to personally witness it? Has a poll been taken? Pardon my skepticism, but I doubt this happens "all the time".
I was speaking figuratively, and meant that it is my understanding that it's a somewhat common occurrence based on the fact that I've seen it referred to a few times in various magazines, TV shows, etc, and it's never been cast in a negative light, as if people thought it was inappropriate.
There are some cultures where the whole family (at home) sleeps in the same room every night, so the parents have no choice but to do it in the same room as the kids unless they want to find a secluded spot in the woods.
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