quote: SOMERSET — A 21-year-old Somerset father is in jail after police charged him with repeatedly abusing his infant, including jolting the baby with a stun gun.
There's more, but I can't bear to quote it. But apparently the abuse started when this baby was four days old and went on for two months, when she was taken out of the home.
God DAMN it. Chlorine is not doing the job, I say we drain the gene pool and acid-wash it.
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Did the mother not know, Come on she can't be that stupid. And if she did know why didn't she do something. There is no excuse for this, the man broke his infant son's legs, honestly she needs to be looked into as well. She had to have known something was not right with her child.
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That is one seriously, seriously, depraved man.
Just out of curiosity, where did he get the cattle prod?
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quote:Originally posted by Evil_eyes: Did the mother not know, Come on she can't be that stupid. And if she did know why didn't she do something. There is no excuse for this, the man broke his infant son's legs, honestly she needs to be looked into as well. She had to have known something was not right with her child.
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Maybe she's also a victem of this man's abuse?
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quote:Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat: Just out of curiosity, where did he get the cattle prod?
Why, are they illegal? Or just hard to come by? I only ask because my mother-in-law has one. She carries it with her when she walks in the park in case she's "attacked by the gays".
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quote:Originally posted by NocturnalGoddess, tuna, not chicken:
quote:Originally posted by Evil_eyes: Did the mother not know, Come on she can't be that stupid. And if she did know why didn't she do something. There is no excuse for this, the man broke his infant son's legs, honestly she needs to be looked into as well. She had to have known something was not right with her child.
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Maybe she's also a victem of this man's abuse?
That's would be my guess. Maybe she was afraid that he'd kill her if she did anything. Emotional abuse can be a powerful thing.
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That poor, poor child. There is simply no excuse for being so willfully cruel to someone so small and so helpless. (Not that there'd be any excuse for doing the same things to someone bigger and tougher, but still....)
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Yeah hurting the child was going to get him to stop crying. This bastard should be sterilized ASAP; I wouldn't trust him with the life of a cockroach. May that baby be placed with people who will do right by him.
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Karma, please exist. Karma, please please exist. Especially in the idea of what you send out comes back threefold.
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Sterilization as a punishment for a crime is unconstitutional in the US. Only three executions have been performed in PA in the last 30 years so it seems like the worst he can get is life in prison.
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Reading this made me feel physically ill. How could someone do that to anyone, let alone such a tiny baby
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I'm as outraged as the next person, but did anyone else find it odd that the article practically gives his address?
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quote:Originally posted by TallGeekyGirl: I'm as outraged as the next person, but did anyone else find it odd that the article practically gives his address?
It's not all that unusual in crime stories.
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Ok, this is when tourture should be allowed. They need to stick him in a room with convicts, and tell the convicts what he did. The last words the cops should say when they leave the room is, "Just don't kill him." I feel the same about child molesters as well... is it harsh? Hell yes. But the abuser would never, EVER think about doing anything like it again.
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Would it be cruel and unusual punishment if I wanted to see his testicles stunned with the cattle prod on max a couple of times? I have two reasons for this idea- one, because maybe it will sterilize him; and two, because maybe it will hurt him as much as he hurt the child.
Okay, maybe it's harsh to want that. But seriously- how on EARTH can this man possibly do this to his own child, that has just been born!? He must have no heart to do this to his child.
Oh, and Forgotten Fay, I'm sorry about what happened in your past. I hope that your life since then, now, and in the future is much, MUCH better than what you've had to endure.
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Too bad I live in Allegheny County. That's a jury I'd love to be on - and shoot for the maximum. Of course, there's always hope for a change of venire...
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Trust me, when the other inmates find out why he's imprisoned, he's toast.
There is an honor among thieves and abusing a child just is not tolerated.
quote:Originally posted by ComicBookGeek: Trust me, when the other inmates find out why he's imprisoned, he's toast.
There is an honor among thieves and abusing a child just is not tolerated.
Bull. There is no honor in prisons there is just a pecking order of brutality with self-justification for flavoring. The fantasy that prisons have their own honor system is a sort of reverse 'myth of the rural idyll' - the notion that by dumping people in prison some sort of ideal notion of good and evil becomes apparent.
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Absolutely terrible, some people are monsters.
I have to say, though, that the title of this thread is off. The article says the baby is male, not female.
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Why does it say daughter in the title of the OP? Not that it matters. It's horrid and I hope the man serves out his days in prison.
Of course, there's this other part of me that can't help but wonder how this wretched young man was treated as a child that would lead him to believe that's how you treat a baby.
That's just too sad. Poor baby.
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quote: PITTSBURGH, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- A Pennsylvania man has been accused of violently abusing his newborn daughter, including breaking a leg and using an electric cattle prod on her.
Somerset Borough police say Brandon Alan Austill, a 21-year-old construction worker, began the abuse shortly after Candice was brought home by her mother, four days after her birth, and it continued over a 7-week period, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported.
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quote:Originally posted by Dropbear: [QUOTE]Originally posted by ComicBookGeek: Trust me, when the other inmates find out why he's imprisoned, he's toast.
There is an honor among thieves and abusing a child just is not tolerated.
Bull. There is no honor in prisons there is just a pecking order of brutality with self-justification for flavoring. The fantasy that prisons have their own honor system is a sort of reverse 'myth of the rural idyll' - the notion that by dumping people in prison some sort of ideal notion of good and evil becomes apparent.
Dropbear [/QUOTE
Then you have never visited the prison my brother spent 3 years in.
quote:Originally posted by ComicBookGeek: Trust me, when the other inmates find out why he's imprisoned, he's toast.
There is an honor among thieves and abusing a child just is not tolerated.
Oh, bullshit. Then tell me why there are so many sex offenders around who have served time in prison.
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quote:Originally posted by ComicBookGeek: Then you have never visited the prison my brother spent 3 years in.
Oh I believe people are brutalised in prison I just don't believe its because the prisoners have some sense of 'honor'. I think it happens because the prisoners develop a convenient pecking order based on who is most vulnerable. Sex offenders along with gays and younger prisoners are all at high risk. People on the outside develop this happy little 'honor' fantasy to justify sadistic assaults as some sort of 'code of justice' whereas it simply is brutalised people being brutal to others with outsiders egging them on.
Its pathetic.
Dropbear
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quote:Originally posted by Forgotten Fay: Ok, this is when tourture should be allowed. They need to stick him in a room with convicts, and tell the convicts what he did. The last words the cops should say when they leave the room is, "Just don't kill him." I feel the same about child molesters as well... is it harsh? Hell yes. But the abuser would never, EVER think about doing anything like it again.
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Unfortunately your system has been tested over and over, and hurting people does not make them less violent, even if they perceive their abuse to be punishment for something they've done wrong.
This story makes me as disgusted and sad as it does anyone else, but I'm as usual disturbed by people's descriptions of what they'd like done to this man. If you want to see someone tortured for their wrongdoings how can you put yourself on the moral high ground?
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DropBear and Pogue, it may not be honorable, but it is not entirely bullshit. Inmates who are serving time for crimes against women and/or children are routinely harrassed and abused by the other inmates (at least in this country).
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quote:Originally posted by NancyFancyPants: DropBear and Pogue, it may not be honorable, but it is not entirely bullshit. Inmates who are serving time for crimes against women and/or children are routinely harrassed and abused by the other inmates (at least in this country).
Yes, but why? Is that due to some kind of honor system or is it because these types of prisoner are believed to be weak?
Perhaps it's because the other prisoners believe they can get away with more because their crimes are reviled by society. In other words, they believe (perhaps rightly) that the guards are more likely to look the other way if they mistreat someone like that instead of, say, a burglar.
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quote:Originally posted by NancyFancyPants: DropBear and Pogue, it may not be honorable, but it is not entirely bullshit. Inmates who are serving time for crimes against women and/or children are routinely harrassed and abused by the other inmates (at least in this country).
Because clearly violent criminal offenders can be trusted to administer justice.
I'd really like it if anyone who calls for this sort of "prison justice" to spend some time unsupervised with a violent offender at a State maximum security facility. Because the "honor among theives" thing should prevent you from being harrassed if you're not a rapist or child molester.
Using prisons as an animal cage where violent people are forced to use violence to survive doesn't do anyone any good. Encouraging this senseless violence, no matter the reason, would seem to indicate you're just another monster who wants a good reason to hurt people.
I don't care what your justification is or who you want to do the dirty work: Bloodlust is not acceptable in this society.
Citizens encouraging "Prison justice" is just the post-1970s version of lynching in the US.
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quote:Originally posted by NancyFancyPants: Inmates who are serving time for crimes against women and/or children are routinely harrassed and abused by the other inmates (at least in this country).
Against WOMEN? Sorry, but I'd have to call bs on that. I've heard the "child molesters won't survive prision thing," but considering the sheer number of men incarcerated who committed crimes of rape/murder/dv or other gender-based crimes, I think your run-of-the-mill woman-hater would get along just fine, and might even find a supportive community.
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quote:Originally posted by NancyFancyPants: DropBear and Pogue, it may not be honorable, but it is not entirely bullshit. Inmates who are serving time for crimes against women and/or children are routinely harrassed and abused by the other inmates (at least in this country).
Has anyone ever provided a cite for this? Does anyone do studies on the whys and wherefores of prison violence? I know there is a great deal of violence in prison, based on articles I've read, but I've never seen a study or even a non-academic article that discussed the demographics of what people are incarcerated for versus who gets abused.
I have read articles that indicated that within the prison social/ gang system there is a method to who gets beat up and when, but nothing about people getting hurt especially because of their offense.
Once I toured a county jail and the guard who was leading the tour said that child molesters and other "high risk" prisoners wear a special color of jumpsuit. This was supposed to identify them to the guards as being at risk for violence from other prisoners, but I wonder how that dynamic would actually play out. Do those prisoners ever interact with other prisoners? Do the other prisoners see them as walking targets because of their special jumpsuits? Do the guards turn a blind eye to violence against the special prisoners?
I hope very much that more research is done on this topic. If there is some kind of prison "justice" system it needs to be stopped.
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I can offer my own experiences as a cook in the Vernon Parrish (County) Jail in the early 1980's.
Child abusers were automatically put in solitary for their own protection, and after talking to the inmates (some first offenders, others there for the umpteenth time awaiting transport to the State Pen), there IS a sense of honor. Don't talk bad about the country - and don't hurt a kid.
One repeat offender I spoke to (granted, it may have been BS) told me that a report was released of one inmate in Angola (Louisiana State Penitentiary) was a child molester. He said that he and "this big nigger" beat him to death.
When I later asked, he said that he was a minor leader in the Louisiana KKK, and hated Blacks - but the hatred of "baby rapers" went deeper than that. His involvement in the KKK was verified by the Sheriff's Office.
Anecdotal, but proof enough in my mind.
The rules were:
1. Never snitch. 2. There is strength in numbers. 3. Watch out for groups of "others" (those outside your group) 4. It doesn't matter what your crime, messing with kids was a killable offence, no matter what the official (legal) sentence was.
That is why abusers were put in solitary confinement... for their own safety.
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quote:Originally posted by Malruhn: 4. It doesn't matter what your crime, messing with kids was a killable offence, no matter what the official (legal) sentence was.
Is there a news blackout on all the child-abusers killed in prison? 'Cause I must have missed all the stories.
In Kentucky, about 11 percent of the 20,000 inmates are sex offenders. That's about 2,200 people. I can't recall one of them being killed in the past few years.
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