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How can any man rape a woman when he doesn't desire her sexually?
The idea of rape as an act of revenge against another man is ridiculous! It's a purely non-sexual motive! I have heard of this myth so often, but I never believed it!
Also, what guy would desire his own biological mother, unless he is "over-sexed"?
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Sexual humiliation is for many people the ultimate in personal shame. Imagine how it feels to be raped by your own son, and then you know the motive for it. longer article: http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=5599086
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I really think rape is more about power and control than it is about sex. 90 year old grandmothers have been raped; I doubt it's because they were prancing about in a bikini.
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That man went about it the wrong way. However, I don't know what he ought to have done to get back at his brother. If you really, really, really wanted to get back at someone for something like what happened to that teen in the OP, how ought you go about doing it?
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Sound like this rape was about power. He loses a fight (guessing about losing) to his brother about girlfriend. So he feel inadequate about being a man and need to prove him self. What better way than to have sex with a unwilling partener. How is avalable? None other than drunk, passed out and defenceless mother. Since I can not see anyway raping one own mother is a way take revenge on brother actions. Since the brother is not hurt much by this action. I would have to say the rape was to nothing more than to help his own hurt ego.
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quote: If you really, really, really wanted to get back at someone for something like what happened to that teen in the OP, how ought you go about doing it?
... I really can't believe you asked that.
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quote:Originally posted by Barbara R.: How can any man rape a woman when he doesn't desire her sexually?
The idea of rape as an act of revenge against another man is ridiculous! It's a purely non-sexual motive! I have heard of this myth so often, but I never believed it!
To deal woth your points in turn. Rape is about violence and control not sexual desire.
Rape as an act of revenge against another man has been practiced for thousands of years, often as a weapon in war. It isn't a "myth." Here's a United Nations report. Think about it. How better to get back at an enemy then degrade his wife/daughter/female family member and possibly impregnate them? Yes, it's sick and disgusting but welcome to the world.
quote:Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat: That man went about it the wrong way. However, I don't know what he ought to have done to get back at his brother. If you really, really, really wanted to get back at someone for something like what happened to that teen in the OP, how ought you go about doing it?
- Pseudo_Croat
Were I in a situation in which I fought over a potential romantic partner with a sibling and lost I wouldn't try to "get back at" anyone involved. I'd get over it, and depending on circumstance perhaps not talk to one or both parties. What drove you to ask such a thing?
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quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What drove you to ask such a thing?
I was simply wondering if there was a better way of getting back at the person instead of rape. In other words, if you really, really were more interested in vengeance than making up, what would be the best way to do it?
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quote:Originally posted by Barbara R.: How can any man rape a woman when he doesn't desire her sexually?
The idea of rape as an act of revenge against another man is ridiculous! It's a purely non-sexual motive! I have heard of this myth so often, but I never believed it!
Also, what guy would desire his own biological mother, unless he is "over-sexed"?
Barbara R.
I do sincerely hope this whole post was in jest. Please tell me you don't believe that rape is about sexual attraction. Please?
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quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What drove you to ask such a thing?
I was simply wondering if there was a better way of getting back at the person instead of rape. In other words, if you really, really were more interested in vengeance than making up, what would be the best way to do it?
- Pseudo_Croat
What's that quote? "the best revenge is a life well lived"? I think getting over it and not letting sh*t get to you is better than dwelling on something and doing something that just proves to the person you're mad at that you're an a-hole.
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quote:Originally posted by Singing in the Drizzle: Sound like this rape was about power.
All rape is about power.
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quote:Originally posted by Barbara R.: How can any man rape a woman when he doesn't desire her sexually?
The idea of rape as an act of revenge against another man is ridiculous! It's a purely non-sexual motive! I have heard of this myth so often, but I never believed it!
Also, what guy would desire his own biological mother, unless he is "over-sexed"?
Barbara R.
I do sincerely hope this whole post was in jest. Please tell me you don't believe that rape is about sexual attraction. Please?
Nor that a man needs to be sexually aroused to commit a rape.
Nor that rape is never used a tool for revenge or punishment.
I fail to see how any literate person with the slightest understanding of world events could possibly believe that any of that was a "myth".
Dropbear
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quote:Originally posted by Barbara R.: I have heard of this myth so often, but I never believed it!
Nitpick: You heard that explanation but thought it was a myth. It isn't.
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quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What's that quote? "the best revenge is a life well lived"? I think getting over it and not letting sh*t get to you is better than dwelling on something and doing something that just proves to the person you're mad at that you're an a-hole.
But that's not what I'm talking about. The hypothetical person I'm talking about isn't at all interested about making up - only about vengeance. That said, what would be a better way for this person to get back at the person who wronged them other than rape?
- Pseudo_Croat
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quote:Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat: That man went about it the wrong way. However, I don't know what he ought to have done to get back at his brother. If you really, really, really wanted to get back at someone for something like what happened to that teen in the OP, how ought you go about doing it?
- Pseudo_Croat
Why do you ever need to "get back at" somebody? An eye for an eye means everybody ends up blind.
quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What's that quote? "the best revenge is a life well lived"? I think getting over it and not letting sh*t get to you is better than dwelling on something and doing something that just proves to the person you're mad at that you're an a-hole.
But that's not what I'm talking about. The hypothetical person I'm talking about isn't at all interested about making up - only about vengeance. That said, what would be a better way for this person to get back at the person who wronged them other than rape?
- Pseudo_Croat
I'm not talking about making up either, I'm talking about being enough of a grownup not to feel the need to get back at someone.
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quote:Originally posted by Amigone201: Why do you ever need to "get back at" somebody? An eye for an eye means everybody ends up blind.
Why does my hypothetical individual feel the need to get back at someone? Because he wants to. Because he knows no other way. And finally, because the plot demands it.
That said, what would be the best way to seek vengeance in this situation other than rape or "a life well lived"?
- Pseudo (work with me, people) Croat
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quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What's that quote? "the best revenge is a life well lived"? I think getting over it and not letting sh*t get to you is better than dwelling on something and doing something that just proves to the person you're mad at that you're an a-hole.
But that's not what I'm talking about. The hypothetical person I'm talking about isn't at all interested about making up - only about vengeance. That said, what would be a better way for this person to get back at the person who wronged them other than rape?
- Pseudo_Croat
Are you actually trying to justify revenge, let alone rape?
Because I really doubt that you are completely clueless about revenge tactics.
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quote:Originally posted by poisoned candy from strangers: What's that quote? "the best revenge is a life well lived"? I think getting over it and not letting sh*t get to you is better than dwelling on something and doing something that just proves to the person you're mad at that you're an a-hole.
But that's not what I'm talking about. The hypothetical person I'm talking about isn't at all interested about making up - only about vengeance. That said, what would be a better way for this person to get back at the person who wronged them other than rape?
- Pseudo_Croat
Pistols at dawn? Or a car bomb?
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quote:And finally, because the plot demands it.
The plot. Plot? What bloody plot? This is a real life event, not some piece of bloody trash fiction.
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Why? This board does not exist solely so that you can be given answers to inane questions.
I think the answer P_C wants isnt exactly one she's likely to ever get.
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quote:Originally posted by NocturnalGoddess never drinks- wine: Are you actually trying to justify revenge, let alone rape?
Because I really doubt that you are completely clueless about revenge tactics.
No, I'm not trying to justify rape. Rape is a thoroughly disgusting and reprehensible thing (which, in this case, seemed to be more motivated by rage than power, but I digress). I do, however, believe that there is a better way of getting one's revenge on someone other than rape of "a life well lived". I'm just not sure what it would be. I am indeed trely clueless with regards to revenge tactics, and this question is not as totally inane as you folks think.
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What do you want us to say, P_C? So far people are telling you we don't believe there is a need for revenge, so why are we likely to be able to think of a revenge?
Just to end the questions I think I'll say overuse of the finger-wagging icon is an excellent revenge. You got that down, case closed.
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Pseudo_Croat, are you asking for some general tips on revenge? Depending on the circumstances, there are some great ones out there, not involving rape or fatal injury. Let me know your circumstances and I'll try to remember some of the best I've heard of. Off the top of my head, planting a prawn or small piece of seafood in a concealed place in the offenders house is quite good.
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quote:Originally posted by NocturnalGoddess never drinks- wine: Are you actually trying to justify revenge, let alone rape?
Because I really doubt that you are completely clueless about revenge tactics.
No, I'm not trying to justify rape. Rape is a thoroughly disgusting and reprehensible thing (which, in this case, seemed to be more motivated by rage than power, but I digress). I do, however, believe that there is a better way of getting one's revenge on someone other than rape of "a life well lived". I'm just not sure what it would be. I am indeed trely clueless with regards to revenge tactics, and this question is not as totally inane as you folks think.
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The problem for me is that the whole idea of 'revenge" - particularly in regard to some relationship slight - involves descending into infantile behaviour.
Yes, I can imagine that if I had a fight with someone over another person's affections (stupid as that would be) I might feel I'd want revenge. I also like to think I'd realise at the same time that (like the fight itself) such feelings were pointless, unhelpful, childish, inane and self-destructive and that any time spent contemplating the revenge would be better off spent getting over myself and moving on.
As such there is no "best" way to get revenge. there is only the choice between adult and childish behaviour.
Dropbear
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quote:Originally posted by Dropbear: As such there is no "best" way to get revenge. there is only the choice between adult and childish behaviour.
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You can always invade their country, kill their leaders, torture their people, and allow violence and killing to go on unimpeded.
Because that's not childish behavior, it's international relations.
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quote:Originally posted by NocturnalGoddess never drinks- wine: Are you actually trying to justify revenge, let alone rape?
Because I really doubt that you are completely clueless about revenge tactics.
No, I'm not trying to justify rape. Rape is a thoroughly disgusting and reprehensible thing (which, in this case, seemed to be more motivated by rage than power, but I digress). I do, however, believe that there is a better way of getting one's revenge on someone other than rape of "a life well lived". I'm just not sure what it would be. I am indeed trely clueless with regards to revenge tactics, and this question is not as totally inane as you folks think.
- Pseudo_Croat
Yeah, there are revenges that could be done, but usually revenge is a short term answer to a problem. I've often thought of ways that I could have harmed someone who wronged me, but then that would make me worse than the person who did the wrong in the first place. I think the problem is that here, that makes the whole revenge thing horrific is that instead of getting revenge on his brother, the person he was mad at, he raped his mother. I don't even have words for that.
So my rambly point is revenge gives you the quick high of things now being equal, but when you lower yourself, you know where you find yourself. I won't quote the rest of that usual quote in that I like pigs and find it pigist.
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Psuedo Croat, your question is like asking "So what's the best way to kill someone?"
How do you answer that?
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quote:Originally posted by VersesBatman: Psuedo Croat, your question is like asking "So what's the best way to kill someone?"
How do you answer that?
"Are you wearing a wire?"
Seriously though, Psuedo Croat there's this great invention called Google. Try looking there. You sound like one of my wife's students trying to get someone else to do there work.
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Now and then there come along individuals who are so twisted and evil that one wonders if they should simply be destroyed, as one would do with a rabid wolverine.
Failing that, committed to a secure institution for the safety of society until they either expire or some sort of cure for evil is found. (Or at least for psycholgical pathologies like antisocial personallity disorder)
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quote:I would have to say the rape was to nothing more than to help his own hurt ego.
Or perhaps he's just one sick MF,
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Plot? What bloody plot? This is a real life event, not some piece of bloody trash fiction.
