You can eat dead pigs, use their hide in clothing etc, but don't dance with one or cradle it and stab its corpse as part of performance art.
quote:The group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) said: "Cruelty is not entertainment."
quote:"Shock artists without other creative ideas, resort to debasing, reducing and killing animals as if they were props, knowing it will spark outrage and should not be rewarded for their efforts."
Helloooo - it's already dead. How can it be cruel to stick a knife into a dead pig? Does that make it cruel to cut up a raw pork chop or skewer a pig for a pig roast? It would have come from a slaughterhouse where it would otherwise have been destined for the meat trade. Maybe they should rename themselves People for the Ethical Treatment of Corpses?
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Funny how much PETA et al. sometimes sounds like the fundies; It all depends on who's ox is gored. (I know, ox-goring is no laughing matter! We need to initiate a protest against these deeply offensive gratuitous animal references in our horribly prejudiced language)
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Honest question: Is there anything that does not outrage PETA?
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You can eat dead pigs, use their hide in clothing etc, but don't dance with one or cradle it and stab its corpse as part of performance art.
quote:The group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) said: "Cruelty is not entertainment."
quote:"Shock artists without other creative ideas, resort to debasing, reducing and killing animals as if they were props, knowing it will spark outrage and should not be rewarded for their efforts."
Helloooo - it's already dead. How can it be cruel to stick a knife into a dead pig? Does that make it cruel to cut up a raw pork chop or skewer a pig for a pig roast?
That's immoral too.
quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: It would have come from a slaughterhouse where it would otherwise have been destined for the meat trade.
That's immoral in itself.
quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: Maybe they should rename themselves People for the Ethical Treatment of Corpses?
You're just not getting this, are you?
Aptenodytes_Forsteriis nailed it. They're fundies.
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quote:Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker: Honest question: Is there anything that does not outrage PETA?
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None that I am personally aware of. I wonder how they would farm if they lived 100 years ago.
They wouldn't, of course. They'd all be Euell Gibbons and survive on twigs and branches and barley.
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quote:Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker: Honest question: Is there anything that does not outrage PETA?
None that I am personally aware of. I wonder how they would farm if they lived 100 years ago.
They wouldn't, of course. They'd all be Euell Gibbons and survive on twigs and branches and barley.
Actually, Tim, I suspect they'd be dead. Unless they were rich enough to be able to be picky about what they ate.
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While I'm all for experimental performance art, it does bother me a little in that I feel that if an animal is killed, it should be for food or some other necessity. I don't know what happens to the pig after the performance, but this strikes me as wasteful at best.
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I agree with Tom. What really upsets me is that after the dance the pig will be unfit for human consumption (I presume). If it hadn't been danced with then I could have had it for my Sunday lunch.
I dn't mind animals being killed for food - but killed for 'art'? No.
To me this is just one step up from Damien Hurst.
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quote:You can eat dead pigs, use their hide in clothing etc, but don't dance with one or cradle it and stab its corpse as part of performance art.
Sounds fair to me.
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quote:Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker: Honest question: Is there anything that does not outrage PETA?
Am I okay to continue beating eggs (free-range) and whipping cream (organic) or will PETA object to that as well (abuse of animal-derived products)? Or perhaps I should save these BDSM-like activities for my fellow humans and leave the eggs and cream alone?
quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: Am I okay to continue beating eggs (free-range) and whipping cream (organic) or will PETA object to that as well (abuse of animal-derived products)?
Egg beater!
Seriously, though, I have to go the way of Tom and Andrew. I don't have any issues with eating meat, tenderized or not. I do, however, have a problem with gratuitous killing, even for the sake of "art."
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quote:Originally posted by Llewtrah: Am I okay to continue beating eggs (free-range) and whipping cream (organic) or will PETA object to that as well (abuse of animal-derived products)?
Egg beater!
Seriously, though, I have to go the way of Tom and Andrew. I don't have any issues with eating meat, tenderized or not. I do, however, have a problem with gratuitous killing, even for the sake of "art."
Gratuitous killing where it was killed solely for art is a no-no, but using something that came from an abattoir and was killed for meat doesn't bother me (though the waste of meat does). I greatly dislike the art made from cat's heads on flower-stalks as cats are not an accepted food species in most of the northern hemisphere. I can't actually see any artistic merit in Damien Hirst's "art". If he'd represented it as a lifelinke oil-painting or watercolour, I'd view it as art as it takes more skill to paint a good representation than to get the slaughterhouse to saw it in half and lob it in a tank of formaldehyde (and some of his pickled works are badly preserved and deteriorating).
By the same token I don't object to leather, hide or sheepskin as these are byproducts from food, but I do object to fur as the animal was killed/trapped solely for a vanity item and not eaten which is wasteful.
Do PETA object to me flogging a dead horse? As a BDSM enthusiast I have a flogger made from part of a dead racehorse i.e. its tail so I can flog with a dead horse.
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