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Seaboe Muffinchucker
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I hear non-locals (obviously, since Seattle's a long way from New York [Wink] ) call JFK JFK all the time.

Almost everything you say about LAX, HelloLlama, applies to JFK as well.

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Portland State University's website is PDX.com, for example

[nitpick]No, it's PDX dot edu, not dot com.[/nitpick]
Doh!  - Not only are you correct, but I actually noted that and then typed the wrong thing anyway. One [fish] (for me) coming up.

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Wildabeast,
IAH is, indeed, named after Da Daddy.

Southwest used to have a message while you held to help repeal the Wright Ammendment, but I don't recall hearing it lately. They also used to share that a person's dominant nostril changes every 4 hours.

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DFW the area is also referred to by the airport code. But only by people who aren't intent on pretending the two cities are far apart and have nothing to do with one another. I've been shocked since moving here that this huge expanse of metro area behaves as though it were many prairie towns that never interact. Econmies of scale, people! Embrace your metro-ness!

Wildabeast, there is a big silly Dallas/Houston rivalry. More than any other two American cities I'm aware of. And IAH is a nice airport, large sections of it are brand new.

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I have never heard PHX, Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, referred to by any name other than "Sky Harbor".

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Originally posted by skeptic:
But what I can't figure out is why is Los Angeles airport the only one that the general public refers to by its code, in this case LAX.

There's a big LAX sign (like the Hollywood sign) in front of the airport.

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Originally posted by skeptic:
I'm sure there are no others in common use.

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and Peachtree-DeKalb (ATL and PDK respectively) are routinely referred to by their IATA airport codes on the radio in Atlanta. Fulton County Airport is usually Charlie Brown Airport, though.

I've seen Birmingham, Jacksonville, and Albuquerque referred to as BHM, JAX, and ABQ in print (particularly regarding weather).

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I have never heard people refer to the airport here as "BOS". It's always "Logan" (for Logan International Airport).

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quote:
Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker:
I hear non-locals (obviously, since Seattle's a long way from New York [Wink] ) call JFK JFK all the time.

Almost everything you say about LAX, HelloLlama, applies to JFK as well.

Seaboe

Well, Yeah, but JFK is not just an airport code. The initials JFK are a pretty well known way refer to Kennedy. LAX is nothing but an airport code.
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quote:
Originally posted by HelloLlama:
Well, Yeah, but JFK is not just an airport code. The initials JFK are a pretty well known way refer to Kennedy. LAX is nothing but an airport code.

But the thing is, LAX doesn't have a name outside of its ICAO identifier, so over time the identifier has morphed into its pseudo-name.
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Originally posted by Class Bravo:
quote:
Originally posted by HelloLlama:
Well, Yeah, but JFK is not just an airport code. The initials JFK are a pretty well known way refer to Kennedy. LAX is nothing but an airport code.

But the thing is, LAX doesn't have a name outside of its ICAO identifier, so over time the identifier has morphed into its pseudo-name.
You lost me. Los Angeles International Airport isn't a name outside the Airport code?

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Originally posted by Psihala:
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Originally posted by Class Bravo:
quote:
Originally posted by HelloLlama:
Well, Yeah, but JFK is not just an airport code. The initials JFK are a pretty well known way refer to Kennedy. LAX is nothing but an airport code.

But the thing is, LAX doesn't have a name outside of its ICAO identifier, so over time the identifier has morphed into its pseudo-name.
You lost me. Los Angeles International Airport isn't a name outside the Airport code?

~Psihala

It doesn't have a name that can be shortened. Nobody is going to refer to it by its full 11 syllable name conversationally. People always abbreviate that sort of thing. But there is nothing you can pull out of Los Angeles International Airport to use as that abbreviation. You can't call it LA Airport, because there are other airports in the area. You can't call it "Los Angeles" or "International" or "Airport". You need the full string of words, which nobody wants to use. None of those are really "names" in the sense of an unrelated word; rather they're a description of what it is.
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I think they are trying to get us to refer to Norfolk International by its code, with those stupid "Take ORF" ads.

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quote:
Originally posted by Psihala:
You lost me. Los Angeles International Airport isn't a name outside the Airport code?

Most airports have have names other than the city in which they sit (Phoenix with Sky Harbor, San Diego with Lindbergh, Oklahoma City with Will Rogers, etc). LAX is just a contraction of Los Angeles International Airport.
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Regarding GenYus' remarks about DFW and the Wright Amendment: is this something I need to go go off in another one of my libertarian anarcho-capitalist rants about?

That's terrible! See how big business uses big government to help themselves and stifle competition, rather than the government protecting us from them, or the free market keeping prices competitive?

At least now I know who to ask for advice about air travel in the Southwest!

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There's some history about Amon Carter Field / Greater Southwest International (GSW - the airport that preceded DFW) here.

It looks to me that the creation of DFW was as much a political struggle between the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth as anything else.

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Thanks for the interesting replies. I was really only refering to places that are known outside their own area, with the idea that LAX was used throughout the USA. JFK is another example, but the initials for the president preceded their use for the airport.
One interesting thing I noticed when working in the industry, is that the codes rarely change, even if the airport is renamed. This gives some funny situations where a leader is ousted in a coup, but his name lives on abbreviated in the country's airport code.
It's a funny world.

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Originally posted by Psihala:
It looks to me that the creation of DFW was as much a political struggle between the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth as anything else.

When Scoop Jackson died, there was a rush to rename just about everything in western Washington in his honor. Including SeaTac (officially the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport).

The city of Tacoma promptly sued. And won.

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Thanks to this thread, I checked to see whether King County International Airport (aka "Boeing Field") has a code. Sure enough, it does--BFI. Bet the politicians in King County are happy with that--not.

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Originally posted by kismet:
Wildabeast, Hobby is a separate airport from IAH. It is named after a person, but it is also much smaller than IAH, so it kind of fits. It's like the Houston equivalent of Love Field, but without the legal issues mentioned above. Southwest flies out of Hobby. Continental's hub is IAH.

Ahh. I think I used to know that, now that you mention it. Isn't IAH also name after George W. Bush now?

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What fer? You lose a bet? [fish]

Does that mean IAH isn't a very nice airport? Or is this just some silly rivalry between Dallas and Houston?

DALLAS??? DALLAS??? ***Kack, cough, choke*** Honey, I live in Austin. Half-way between the two. I'm part of the pinko liberal commie hippie nation. I tote a gun and save the whales. I have a whole range of burnt orange shirts. I drive an SUV and I recycle.

No, I've never been to intergalactic. I fly southwest so I go Hobby. But it is a silly make fun of thing. People in the Big Cities (Houston & Dallas) consider Austinites a bunch of ineffective liberals. We consider them a bunch of superficial shoppers. Both, of course, gross generalizations.

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Originally posted by Gale:
Definitely BWI, JFK, and DFW. Houston will always either be Hobby (curse you, Wright amendment) or Intergalactic.

I thought my friends and family were the only people who called it Intergalactic! But IAH sounds like it should be in one of those I states, and George R. Bush International Airport - Houston just doesn't flow trippingly off the tongue.

Not matter what I call it, I'm sure I'll be spending hours sitting there once again this Thanksgiving while the airline (1) loses my luggage, (2) cancels at least one of my scheduled flights, and (3) delays at least one connecting flight.

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quote:
Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker:
Thanks to this thread, I checked to see whether King County International Airport (aka "Boeing Field") has a code. Sure enough, it does--BFI. Bet the politicians in King County are happy with that--not.

Every public airport has a three-character identifier for air traffic control and pilot flight planning purposes. Some of them don't correspond well with the name of the airport (i.e. U14 for Nephi, UT and CRQ for McCllellan-Palomar), but they will all have a code.
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Every public airport has a three-character identifier for air traffic control and pilot flight planning purposes. Some of them don't correspond well with the name of the airport (i.e. U14 for Nephi, UT and CRQ for McCllellan-Palomar), but they will all have a code.

Actually, BFI corresponds terrifically to Boeing Field International. I just think that the politicians would rather it had KCI or KCX to commemorate King County rather than Boeing.

These are the same folks who changed the person for whom King County was named for without actually changing the name of the county.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Threadslayer:
Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and Peachtree-DeKalb (ATL and PDK respectively) are routinely referred to by their IATA airport codes on the radio in Atlanta.

Hartsfield is still well known as Hartsfield nationwide (recent name change notwithstanding). However, based on the recent movie title, I was led to believe that "ATL" has become a nickname for Atlanta itself.

Kinda like "SLC" -- though that initialism possibly predated air travel.

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Originally posted by Canuckistan:
Most people around here know what Lester B. Pearson International Airport's code is, but shortening to "Pearson" just sounds so much better than "YYZ."

Conversely, "the airport" is also a popular short-form.

Thanks! Now I know where the title of an obscure instrumental Rush song comes from.

Around here it's common to shorten Kansas City to K.C. and since the airport code is KCI, that routinely gets used as well.

Just to confuse you further, Kansas City Kansas is refered to as KCK and Kansas City Missouri is shortened to KCMO(prounouncing the last to letters together so you get Kay See Moe)

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Nobody is going to refer to it by its full 11 syllable name conversationally.

11 syllables? That's it? Try BWI's full name. Coming in at 17, Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport. The only people I ever hear refer to it by it's full name are the newspeople on TV.

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quote:
Originally posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker:
Not only is the Portland airport referred to as PDX (at least where I work), but the same abbreviation is often used to mean the city itself.

And Sea-Tac is called Sea-Tac and not SEA because Tacoma gets mad if you take their name off. [Big Grin]

Spokane isn't called GEG because most people don't realize the name of the airport was originally Geiger Field.

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Originally posted by glisp42:
Around here it's common to shorten Kansas City to K.C. and since the airport code is KCI, that routinely gets used as well.

Just out of curiosity--do the airlines (such as for luggage claim) refer to Kansas City International as KCI? The only reason I ask is because when I read this I was thrown off--the ICAO indicator for Kansas City International is actually MCI.
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I apologize, I was wrong. It is indeed MCI.

[fish] <--Me for not doing my research

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No hard feelings. There are, in fact, airports where the airlines use a different identifier for luggage than the ICAO identifier, and I wasn't sure if MCI was one of them.
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I'd still put SFO into this category. Oakland is closer to downtown San Francisco than SFO is, so many travelers (myself included) will prefer to fly into Oakland. Oakland shows up in all the searches when you search for "San Francisco." You pretty much have to specify SFO if you don't want Oakland to at least be included as an option.

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Interesting article about airport codes. Clears up many of the airport code mysteries.
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The code for Kansas City International Airport, MCI, was assigned during the early design phase of the airport when the name was going to be Mid-Continent International. Shortly before it opened, Kansas City officials decided to change the name so people would know what city it was in. It was too late to change the code.


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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Hartsfield is still well known as Hartsfield nationwide (recent name change notwithstanding). However, based on the recent movie title, I was led to believe that "ATL" has become a nickname for Atlanta itself.

It has, heck when Atlanta came up with their big logo campaign complete with song, it was all about living in the ATL. [Roll Eyes]

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In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, Denver International Airport is frequently called "DIA," thought its IATA code is DEN.
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