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LMS: I was just asking out of curiosity. I was not trying to be judgemental or impugn your teaching, just curious as to the reasoning.
Astra: Thanks for explaining.
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And I explained. Actually while Astra typed, I was on the phone with the high school asking for myself.
There are, as she said, AP courses available. But since these are on par with college level instruction, and since both of my children have decided on careers already--none of which involve AP type courses (one could argue Math, but), I don't feel they need AP courses.
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Okay. Your first response seemed a tad defensive (probably just my interpretation) so I wanted to assure you that I wasn't judging.
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It was, it was.. but only because you weren't the first to ask and I misread how you asked your question. No harm, no foul
And yes, Beach--indoctrination. I can say that. I know what the school board has done for(to)my own DH. Only speaking ancedotally here, but hey, I can do that too.
Would "School Board Legislation" be a better word for you? Or even the basic "School Board Rules"?
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: The collective you (not the specific)are latching on to the one or two bad instances they've encountered with homeschooling instead of focusing on the many, many (and even much)more positive instances that have occured in homeschooling--some in this very thread.
No. Many people have brought up logical concerns about homeschooling and its effects on community as well as the children being homeschooled. To those logical and valid concerns, you've either not responded or you've made flawed arguments (most of which are based on "But I don't do it that way"). This is why we find your arguments unconvincing. Grammar has far less to do with it than your general lack of ability to look outside your own situation and see the (goddess forgive me for using this phrase) bigger picture.
quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: And really, who are you to say that someone shouldn't be teaching science if they believe in a young earth? And why is being religious and teaching your child said religion (and within said religion) such a horrible thing?
If they are teaching it as religion, i.e. part of our dearly held and pervasive mythological structure? Fine. Teaching it as science? Not acceptable, mainly because it's not science.
quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: Is it really so wrong to teach your children that which you feel is correct? No. You would do the same to yours.
Well, if by that sentence you meant to say: "Is it really so wrong to teach your children that what you believe is correct," then, yes. Belief isn't based on logic or knowledge. Therefore, it's value as a thing that can be correct or incorrect is minimal. You may teach your child, "This is what I believe, and this is why I believe it." You may not say, "This is the right thing to believe." That type of teaching is exactly why this culture is so f'd-up.
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AP courses are so your kids can skip the remedial courses in college. This could potentially save you thousands of dollars by being able to graduate a semester or two earlier. I took AP literature and history in high school, scored well enough on the AP test, and skipped those classes in college. You should really reconsider preparing your children for the AP tests.
I'm wondering, is there a happy medium between full homeschooling and having your child in school? Couldn't children go to school during the day, and then for an hour or two after school you could teach them the things you don't think they're getting?
My son is developmentally delayed and will probably need a lot of extra help in school. But my plan is to let him start kindergarten a bit later, then work with him after school every day to try and help him keep up with the other children. Are there programs developed for such a thing?
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Lady Moon Shadows - you should read your own sources.
To wit:
quote:The median income for families with children in 1995, nationwide, was about $36,000.
Yes, there are home schoolers from all income levels. However, they are disproportionately represented at higher incomes. This proves my point - not everyone has the high income which allows home schooling.
Shall I go on?
You say, with pride, that you work outside of the home. However, it is safe to assume that you are the full-time caregiver and that your children receive the bulk of their home schooling education from you. Many people, many couples with children, will not even be able to afford this, and, not knowing how old your children are, many parents rely upon public education to allow them to both work because, let's face it, they need the money. It isn't just that the second income is needed to pay for the annual trip to Hawaii or the big-screen tv or the Lexus SUV, but simply to put food on the table, get out of debt, and save up for college tuition.
How much is your part-time salary compared to your total household income? Would you be able to home school if both you and your husband needed to work? Lots of people need to work two (or more) part-time jobs, because they can't get enough hours from one.
Why don't your children take AP level classes? I will say up front that the only valid reason for this is because they are too young to do so. If they are not taking AP classes because you are not able to teach them, then your children really are losing out, are they not? Why not teach them at the highest level possible? This is, of course, assuming that your children have aspirations of higher education.
My whole point about asking for your specific education is to illustrate that you perhaps are not skilled in all subject areas. Yet you refuse to admit this and declare that simply "going to college" is enough. These are your kids, and if they end up unemployed (or underemployed), then you will have to shoulder that blame.
Whether or not you were "saved" when you started home schooling, is irrelevant. You've talked about being very religious, and you conveniently ignore this aspect of the motivation of home schooling. I think that you deliberately ignore this in this discussion, because you assume it is a valid reason for home schooling, and maybe because you support it yourself.
Further more, let me illustrate something from *your* statistics about how much home schoolers care about their childrens' education.
Money Spent on Educational Materials
quote:The amount of money spent in 1997 on home school education for textbooks, lesson materials, tutoring and enrichment services, and testing ranged from less than $200 to more than $2000. As shown in Table 2.12, the median amount of money spent was about $400.
Table 2.12 Home School Students Classified by Money Spent On Home School Education in 1997 Amount Frequency Percent <$200 3,718 17.9% 200-399 7,035 33.8 400-599 4,467 21.5 600-799 1,962 9.4 800-999 985 4.7 1,000-1,599 1,630 7.8 1,600-1,999 247 1.2 >2,000 411 2.0 Missing 336 1.6 Total 20,790 100.0%
A whopping 50% of home schoolers spend less than $400 on home schooling "for textbooks, lesson materials, tutoring and enrichment services". And 17.9% spent less than $200. While this may indicate how "accessible" home-schooling is, I interpret the results another way. People who home school still think it is just too easy, and they don't have to invest the time or effort to provide the same wealth of materials available through a normal public education, because they don't do it for reasons of quality of education. If they did, would they not spend more than one-month's grocery bill (or a small fraction of what the average American household spends annually on entertainment or vacation) on home schooling?
I fail to see evidence which shows that home-schooling parents really care more about the quality of education. If I was in your situation, I would discuss with my spouse that perhaps two full-time jobs - one of which could be used entirely to send the children to a registered, accredited, private school - would be the better situation.
As such, it appears to be easier to spend a small sum of money on materials, ease my conscience by saying that I'm doing it for "quality of education" reasons, rather than, say, because I don't want my children associating with anyone of different faith (or ethnic background, or political view), and think that I can do a better job than anyone else because I'm merely "confident" in my ability.
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Ryda--to you and I, it may not be science. To them, it is and you have no business saying they can't teach it as such. I may not do it, you may not do it, but they do and they feel it is right. True science will come along and correct them when needed, or it may not.
But you have no business saying they should't be teaching their kids that what they believe in **as true science to them** is wrong. They can and do do this, successfully. Much to your chagrin.
They can say "this is the right thing to believe in", they have every right to. Just because you don't like that (or you feel it is what's messing up our culture), doesn't make it wrong.
Personally, our culture is messed for a myriad of other reasons, none related to homeschooling. But someone will come along (and has) and choose to focus on the one bad seed and use it as a reason to say it's all bad.
And again, I have answered those who have asked me questions. I have given valid answers that are neither flawed nor misguided. You choose not to see what I've said as a possible answer just by the very fact that you are **still** harping on and correcting my, grammar.
~~Toni
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quote:Originally posted by magpie: AP courses are so your kids can skip the remedial courses in college.
AP courses enable students to skip intro course, not remedial courses. Remedial courses are for people who are unable to do college level work and don't count for credit.
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows:
Ok, ok. I'll correct that. What I can say, from my own experience, is that I learn along with them. I do know that I, personally, take the time to familiarize myself with the lesson I am about to teach, usually the night before I teach it. And, throughout our day (and the days following), we impliment what we have learned.
~~Toni
Does your husband at least cover the math portions of your homeschooling? Because I think that even the most ardent home schooler could appreciate the benefit of being educated by someone that actually knows the material and is not just looking it over the night before.
Also, the reason that AP courses possibly earn college credit because you #1 have to pass the test, #2 enroll in college that accepts the scores as credit and #3 petition to have your scores applied to your requirements.
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LMS- I did Google homeschool statistics last night. I spent over an hour reading them. One interesting thing I found was that, although homeschooling had mushroomed in popularity since the 1990's, the most often cited testing statistics were from 1999. Also, the tests were administered voluntarily, but were compared to public schools who are required to test all students- including special ed and ESL children who are going to lower the average even if their education is top-notch. Until there are statistics available where every homeschooled child in a region is required to test, the statistics are meaningless.
Yes, homeschool families are more likely than the average family to have parents who completed college education. That was reassuring.
Mike's questions here:
quote:Further to that, how long to you plan to homeschool your children? Through high school? Do you expect them to attend post-secondary education? Can you teach an AP level course? Can you pass an AP exam? Can you pass it in all of the subjects you hope to teach them? Or do you expect to stay one lesson ahead of them?
Are not absurd. His questions are the most often discussed points in the homeschool debate. They are very valid. If a homeschool or classroom teacher cannot pass the subjects they teach it's a big problem. Once children reach high school, issues like college eligibility become more important. Being qualified to teach the basics to elementary age children is different than being qualified to teach high school level subjects. Those were valid questions.
As for asking about whether you (or homeschool parents in general) plan to stay one step ahead- that's a crucial question. Bear with me here, I'm bringing up grammar again but only because I haven't taken a science course yet. My point would be the same no matter the course. I have recently gone back to college and am taking an English Comp class. It took me several read-throughs to grasp some of the finer points of grammar (and I still don't have it all down yet). If I read the text the night before, I may be able to roughly understand it, but I could not teach it effectively. I might be able to catch most of my child's grammar errors in their paper (although I'd probably miss several and have no way of knowing it) but I would not be able to explain the errors in a way that would help the child avoid them the next time. I'm still learning it all myself. There is a very valid concern whether parents who are not experts in certain subjects such as Math, Science, and English are the best to teach those subjects to their older children. You have not yet addressed this issue beyond "I do it just fine." How do we know? Beyond yourself, how well do the majority of homeschooled families do?
You have not proved the nutcases or the poor educators are the minority. You have said they were the minority, but you have only anecdotes to back them up.
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Yes, I would still be able to work full time and still homeschool.
What part of "AP classes are not a requirement, not neccessary and not needed" in a homeschooling environment, if I choose not to use them? Are you saying then, that those who don't take AP classes cannot get a higher education?
AP classes are not the end all be all of education. Point is moot, Mike.
Again, please please show me where, ANYwhere I said I was "very religious"? I have NEVER EVER said that. Nor have I ever indiciated that. EVER. Prove it to me. Prove it. Please. You won't be able to because I've never said it. I've never ever stated I was any kind of religious beyond "I attend church, I consider myself Christian". In fact, I do believe you will find that I have stated the *complete opposite* to your "very religious" argument.
Prove it, please. Cite it. It won't happen and you know it. I've never said it.
Done with that.
Ahh, somehow I knew you'd try to equate a homeschooler only spending $200 on curriculi as "not caring".
Every heard of "sale and swap"? Gather not or else you wouldn't mention it. I paid $350 dollars for BOTH of my children's books--that is total, Mike. How? Sale, swap, give away. Homeschoolers do that, yanno. When we are done using a curriculum, we sell it on the cheap to another homeschooler. I may have bought said curriculum brand new, but because it is used, another schooler will get it for half the cost.
See how that works? Kind of like a textbook garage sale and in no way has any bearing on how much one cares about their kids education.
And it is a great thing you are not my spouse Mike. It is a good thing for me that he is much more open minded and less, I don't even know the word for you, towards me than you are.
Suggesting I put my kids in school and get two jobs? That's not a bit, well, demeaning, is it?
I am done answering you Mike.
~~Toni
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: Ryda--to you and I, it may not be science. To them, it is and you have no business saying they can't teach it as such.
So, what I'm getting from you is that we can teach whatever we choose, no matter how silly and unfounded as science, and that should be just hunkey dorey? No. I don't think so. This is exactly why we need to reduce the control parents have over their children. They aren't possessions. They aren't hostages for you to indoctrinate.
quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: I may not do it, you may not do it, but they do and they feel it is right. True science will come along and correct them when needed, or it may not.
Fine for them, not for their children, which are seperate beings. I don't give a rat's ass what they think is right.
quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: Personally, our culture is messed for a myriad of other reasons, none related to homeschooling. But someone will come along (and has) and choose to focus on the one bad seed and use it as a reason to say it's all bad.
And again, this isn't what has happened. Teaching new earth as science is one example of a troubling aspect of homeschooling, i.e. a lack of enforcable educational standards. Again, it is you who are missing the point, focusing instead on your particular situation.
quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: You choose not to see what I've said as a possible answer just by the very fact that you are **still** harping on and correcting my, grammar.
~~Toni
You expressed yourself in a manner that could have meant two different things, due to your lack of ability with grammar. Sorry, but I'd rather make sure you meant what I thought you meant than assume. But that's just logical me.
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: Ok, so I used niece instead of nephew, so? That still doesn't prove much of anything.
And again, you are only nitpicking my grammar because you think you have a point. You don't. Really what you've chosen to dig out of my posts is very much like like a child going "but but she got the bigger piece, see!!" and pouting out the bottom lip.
Go ahead, if it makes you feel bigger than me (or I, I don't care at this point in the arguement), and shred my grammar.
It just proves that you aren't reading what I've written and are harping on something that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
~~Toni
This is not grammar, LMS, it is content. And if it were one incident, I would have let it slide. But over and over, you have misrepresented what I said, failed to read what I have actually written and attributed attitudes and positions to me that I have not, in fact, expressed, nor do I, in fact, hold.
It is part of a pattern. It could mean one of several things: 1.) That you don't really care about what I am saying; in that case, what is the point of arguing with me? 2.) That you are not taking the time to read my posts; in that case, what is the point in arguing? 3.) That your reading comprehension and analytical ability are lacking; in that case, there is a problem with you teaching your kids. 4.) That you are just on this thread to beat your war-drum and don't care what anyone is saying, only that they disagree with you. Which I suspect is the case.
I am not pointing out the mistakes in your content to either avoid addressing your points or to play some sort of one-up game. I am doing so in order to point out that you are not, in fact, interested yourself in addressing the issues, rather in demonizing anyone who dares to agree with you.
You are the one who made it personal by bringing up your supposedly grand success with your own children. You are the one who made your abilities and confidence an issue. No one would have brought up your posting shortcomings (apart from my frustration at not being able to get honest debate to as to the issues, not the motivation or attitudes you have incorrectly ascribed to me), had you not held yourself and your family up as examples of a "typical" homeschooling family.
As far as the kid on my nephew's soccer team, I didn't know he was homeschooled until after I had noticed the other problems. I felt even sadder for him then. It is possible that I am oversensitive to families in which one child is favored over another, having suffered through that myself; putting myself in his shoes, though, I could not imagine, despite the bullying that I endured in the public schools, having to be taught by someone who repeatedly told me I was not all that smart, merely over-acheiving. I am pretty certain that math and science, at which I excelled, would not have comprised a major part of the curriculum.
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I'll just say that it is you who are missing the point. You have no more right to my children than the government does and therefore, you have no right to proclaim that we shouldn't have any control over our own children.
To me, that is the bigger problem of society. People screaming "we need more governmental control"--no we don't. The government can't even control their own, what makes you so damn sure they can control mine.
Like an abortion argument--my body, my business. You have no say in it.
My kids, my business. You have no say in them either.
And surely, stopping with the attacking is a good thing, ya think? I've not once personally attacked you or anyone else, yet you persist. How very educated of you.
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: What part of "AP classes are not a requirement, not neccessary and not needed" in a homeschooling environment, if I choose not to use them?
Look. If you are going to bother to write a post, could you at the very least attempt make it comprehensible? Please?
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: Like an abortion argument--my body, my business. You have no say in it.
My kids, my business. You have no say in them either.
OK. Let's try this. You are you. See. You are distinct from your parents and your spouse. By the same token, your kids are not you.
See the difference? Your body belongs to you. Your kids do not.
You may choose to be a cutter. You may not choose to cut your kids.
Your kids, being seperate and individual, DO NOT BELONG TO YOU.
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quote:Originally posted by magpie: I'm wondering, is there a happy medium between full homeschooling and having your child in school? Couldn't children go to school during the day, and then for an hour or two after school you could teach them the things you don't think they're getting?
The problem with the "happy medium" is that if the kids are missing out on enough in school that they have to play catchup at home, then what is the purpose of them spending the day at the school? At a point, you have to ask yourself if the school isn't providing an education, then what are you going to do about it? Sometimes a solution can be worked out in the school, but sometimes it can't.
I'd also like to address Hero_Mike's questions about spending money. My parents spent less than $400 each year while I was homeschooled. We were able to buy a lot of books second-hand, which public schools cannot do, and we were also lucky enough to have access to the school district's book depository. The public schools were often forced to dump hundreds of perfectly good books due to new version adoptions or changes in publishers. These were made available free of charge to anyone wanting to take them off the district's hands, so I was able to take home brand new spelling books (and my mother took the teacher packages) free of charge. When we were done, we passed them on or sold them to other homeschoolers.
I don't think it is fair to imply that low cost equates to lack of concern or of low educational quality. Especially for lower grades, workbooks and enrichment tools aren't all that expensive. I'd be hard-pressed to spend $400 for a kindergarten or first grade curriculum, unless it was a brand new complete set with all the bells and whistles.
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: To me, that is the bigger problem of society. People screaming "we need more governmental control"--no we don't. The government can't even control their own, what makes you so damn sure they can control mine.
The government can't control their (its) own what? Children? The government doesn't have any children, does it?
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quote:Originally posted by Astra: I don't think it is fair to imply that low cost equates to lack of concern or of low educational quality.
Just curious, but what about equipment for physics/chemistry/biology labs, and other courses that require more than books? How did they work that out?
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ryda, you are projecting your bad experience with homeschooling in to this thread. You are projecting what you've said was a rotten education on to those of us who are not being rotten. You, therefore, are insistent that I am wrong and you are right. Just because you had a bad experience.
Wrong.
And the government can't control their own--be they children or not. Shall I mention Jeb Bush's own daughter and her run-ins with the law? And of course, we could mention that the government still can't quite grasp the idea that they are there "by the people FOR the people".
Again, Ryda, stop with the personal attacks. You don't like homeschooling, I get this. I also get it is because you feel your own parents failed you. Your experience, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, is **rare**.
~~Toni
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I can purchase everything I need for those classes with little effort. Including the dead pig to dissect.
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LMS- You are doing the same thing Ryda is but in reverse. You are insisting that because your experience is good, you are right just because you have a good experience.
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: ryda, you are projecting your bad experience with homeschooling in to this thread. You are projecting what you've said was a rotten education on to those of us who are not being rotten. You, therefore, are insistent that I am wrong and you are right. Just because you had a bad experience.
Wrong.
And the government can't control their own--be they children or not. Shall I mention Jeb Bush's own daughter and her run-ins with the law? And of course, we could mention that the government still can't quite grasp the idea that they are there "by the people FOR the people".
Again, Ryda, stop with the personal attacks. You don't like homeschooling, I get this. I also get it is because you feel your own parents failed you. Your experience, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, is **rare**.
~~Toni
You really don't get it, do you? I mean you don't comprehend what other people are trying to say?
This has nothing to do with me or my experiences. This has nothing to do with my personal traumas or triumphs. This has to do with what is best for our culture in its process of evolution. And, for damned sure, it has nothing to do with the highly conservative Bush family. I'm not even sure what you thought bringing that up would illustrate.
The more you write, the more I'm worried about you having kids under your control.
Goddess bless them.
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I have so been trying to stay out of this thread, and I am not a Republican so am not defending the Bush family based on politics, but I must ask, LMS, "What the NFBSK does the behavior of the daughter of Jeb Bush have to do with the subject at hand, and why did you not mention the daughters of George W. Bush?"
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quote:Originally posted by Lady Moon Shadows: ryda, you are projecting your bad experience with homeschooling in to this thread. You are projecting what you've said was a rotten education on to those of us who are not being rotten. You, therefore, are insistent that I am wrong and you are right. Just because you had a bad experience.
I haven't seen Ryda say anywhere that you are wrong. Only that her experience differs from yours and she is concerned about those who practice homeschooling in the way that she experienced it. Can you quote Ryda saying you are wrong?
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LMS, if you could please give us an idea of what kind of education you are providing your children, and why you feel this is typical of the kind of education a homeschooler receives.
1. What are the ages of your children?
2. Do you use a purchased curriculum or do you create your own?
3. What are some of the units that you intend to cover this month? How will you present this material? Where do you go to find answers you don't know? How will you evaluate comprehension and mastery?
4. Would you say this is a typical homeschooling experience? Why?
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No, Starla, I'm saying that my experience is more the norm than Ryda's.
They are 14 and 10. I do both. A variety of things covered in each book--umm, gee, let's see shall I list all the chapters? I mean pre-algebra is pre-algebra whether done at home or in a school room. Same with Earth Science, World Geography, etc. I will present them as I see fit for my kids to learn them. Math is math. Science we have experiments we do as well as standard lessons. Same with Geography. And comprehension and mastery--well, I can't believe you think one needs a specific method for showing this, but hey, testing? Does that suffice for an answer?
And yes, it is typical. The only thing that varies is the amount/type of field trips each family takes, the type of curriculum used and how many kids I've got versus how many they have.
Learning involves so much more than books. Than a teacher standing in front of the class doing a lesson. Life is learning. I suppose you will try to convince me that teaching my daughter how to cook shouldn't be considered a course, even though it falls under the Home Ec. catagory. Or that taking my kids to Busch Gardens cannot possibly be a lesson in not just Biology, but Physics (I mean I would be imagining things if I said that they have a "Physics Day" there that entire counties take advantage of, right?).
Really, what I do, is more the norm than you care to admit to. I may not do it the same way they do, I may do things entirely backwards than some, but my experiences are more the norm than not.
I gather that I could get the most seasoned homeschool vet in here and have them explain it to you and you'd still question our ability. That's ok. I know what I am doing is for the best of my family and my children do demonstrate this to the outside world.
~~Toni
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quote:Originally posted by Astra: I don't think it is fair to imply that low cost equates to lack of concern or of low educational quality.
Just curious, but what about equipment for physics/chemistry/biology labs, and other courses that require more than books? How did they work that out?
I was homeschooled for 5th, 7th, and 8th grades, and my sister from 1st-8th. The states we lived in didn't teach specialized science classes until high school, so we only did general and physical science courses. The labs for these came out of the lab manuals with the book and were usually of the kitchen experiment or outdoor observation variety. I'm a science geek, while my sister is... not, heh. I had a very nice chemistry set which my father augmented with all the Pyrex lab equipment he could find when we visited the kitchenware outlets and assorted electronics kits. If we needed hands-on, we found the materials needed.
We didn't order much from them, but my mother did get some really cool catalogs where you could order chemistry and biological supply kits, including ones designed for the homeschooler (1 fetal pig instead of a barrel-full, for instance).
On a related note, over the summer I took an online biology class. I was skeptical, but the "lab" portion was better-organized than any of the physical labs I've taken in college. It really put the emphasis on collecting and processing information instead of the old "here's a frog, dig in" thing. I'd looked forward to taking biology in high school, but was highly disappointed when the experiments turned out to be mostly busywork (not to mention the equipment was so dull that the frog dissection was rather gruesome, even by my standards). While the online course definitely wasn't for the slacker or the faint of heart, it was one of the most "thinking required" courses I've had, despite the odd format.
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What is the highest qualification you have personally achieved in math? Biology? Physics? Chemistry? Literature? History? Earth science? Astronomy? Sociology? Foreign languages? Art history? Political science? Philosophy? Comparative religion? What is it that qualifies you to teach these subjects knowledgeably and effectively?
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quote:Originally posted by Astra: On a related note, over the summer I took an online biology class. I was skeptical, but the "lab" portion was better-organized than any of the physical labs I've taken in college. It really put the emphasis on collecting and processing information instead of the old "here's a frog, dig in" thing.
That sounds like a blast! One think I loved about HS, was that it gave me a chance to do various, long-term natural science/biology projects, like one on the native flora of NE Fla.
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Wow, only a few of those subjects do I teach. And now we've deemed ourselves Judge, Jury and Executioner.
quote:Me, I'd just step away from the thread. They're picking apart your posts, and it's flustering you, making you make little, meaningless mistakes that they can pick apart some more.
*************************** Said to me via PM. I will do so, I think. It is best. I did do what I was asked, I did state it the way I said I would and I did try to play nice.
This is exactly what is happening and therefore, it is now best that I do bow out.
Go ahead and say it--say "I knew it". I cannot stress to you enough how wrong most of you are about homeschooling, even with trying to prove it to you. But as I was told, I am getting nitpicked to death and no amount of my explaining things to you is going to stop that.
~~Toni
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quote:Originally posted by Rhiandmoi: LMS, if you could please give us an idea of what kind of education you are providing your children, and why you feel this is typical of the kind of education a homeschooler receives.
1. What are the ages of your children?
2. Do you use a purchased curriculum or do you create your own?
3. What are some of the units that you intend to cover this month? How will you present this material? Where do you go to find answers you don't know? How will you evaluate comprehension and mastery?
4. Would you say this is a typical homeschooling experience? Why?
Why? So that you can pick apart any statement she makes? Who made you qualified to judge her teaching abilities?
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