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Originally posted by Paulie Jay:
I always wonder about four-way stop intersections. Do you reckon a roundabout would make things flow a bit better?

American's don't know how to handle roundabouts. Believe me, I've lived in a couple places in the northeast that have them, and they're a complete disaster. One intersection in rural Massachusetts has an off-center roundabout, so that traffic coming from one of the directions just blasts through at full speed without slowing down. It had been a perfectly effective 4-way stop, but they changed it. I'm surprised no one has been killed!
They're very uncommon down here, but I ran into one recently. I say a four way stop is just easier. My dad hates roundabouts with a passion.

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What's to hate about roundabouts? You drive up, you look right to see if anyone's coming, you drive around and off.

It beats driving to the intersection, stopping, looking left, looking right, starting to go, emergency stopping for the git who's just appeared from the left without bothering to even slow down...

Though admittedly the famous Magic Roundabout in Swindon isn't something I ever want to come across again [Smile]

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I got quite used to roundabouts when living in MA. Everyone up there is used to them (they're all over the place) and the traffic usually flows quite well in and out of them. Around here, though, they are still few and far between. So, every time they put one in, the idiots who can't quite get the hang of it seem to be drawn to it. [Roll Eyes]

Or maybe they're the same people just stuck in the roundabout all the time, doomed to continually loop, like the folk song about the "T" -- "Did he ever return, no he never returned..." [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by STF:
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Originally posted by Purple Iguana:
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Originally posted by Paulie Jay:
I always wonder about four-way stop intersections. Do you reckon a roundabout would make things flow a bit better?

American's don't know how to handle roundabouts. Believe me, I've lived in a couple places in the northeast that have them, and they're a complete disaster. One intersection in rural Massachusetts has an off-center roundabout, so that traffic coming from one of the directions just blasts through at full speed without slowing down. It had been a perfectly effective 4-way stop, but they changed it. I'm surprised no one has been killed!
They're very uncommon down here, but I ran into one recently. I say a four way stop is just easier. My dad hates roundabouts with a passion.
I have to agree with DevilBunny. We had a three-way stop converted to a roundabout a few years ago. This spot had always been a traffic bottleneck, and I just knew this roundabout was going to cause a lot of accidents. But when they put in the roundabout, suddenly traffic flowed smoothly, and there have been very few accidents at that location. I'm now a traffic-circle convert.

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Everyone was all up in arms about the roundabout they put in here too, but, surprise, it works beautifully.

I thought I would never be able to use the thing, and wouldn't you know? I drive on it almost every day.

With the exception of that godawful horror in Swindon, they really are quite simple.

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I loathe roundabouts. No one in NJ seems to realize that you actually have to pay attention to yield signs feeding into them (although they don't pay attention to yield signs anywhere else, so this isn't entirely shocking), so they go flying out into them without looking. I have one ten minutes from my house (Somerville, for anyone who knows the area), and I hold my breath each time I have to use it.

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. I've seen cars engage in a "daisy chaining" practice where one or two cars rides a lead car's bumper through a four-way stop, [/QB]
We've seen this practice at the four way stop near our house. I cannot count the times we've almost been in crashes, accidents would be the wrong word, because some person tried to follow the person ahead of them through the stop sign. And then the offending person has the nerve to look at you like you did something wrong. The next time someone tells me, "I almost stopped." I want to take a club and start hitting them ijn the head and ask them if they would like me to almost stop or to completely stop.

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I realise this may be particular to the driver's ed. class I took, but I was taught that if you arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time as someone directly opposite, you should make eye contact with the other driver and wave them on ahead of you. If you both attempt to wave on, indicate either acceptance or deferral before proceeding into the intersection. I still see this a lot when I'm driving, so maybe it's just a rural Oklahoma thing.

It takes a mere moment out of your life to do this bit of non-verbal communication, and it seems so nice and friendly. Of course, like anything else involving people behind the wheel of a vehicle, I would never suggest that all drivers will do this and that you could rely on them to do so.

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quote:
Originally posted by Para:
I realise this may be particular to the driver's ed. class I took, but I was taught that if you arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time as someone directly opposite, you should make eye contact with the other driver and wave them on ahead of you. If you both attempt to wave on, indicate either acceptance or deferral before proceeding into the intersection. I still see this a lot when I'm driving, so maybe it's just a rural Oklahoma thing.

It takes a mere moment out of your life to do this bit of non-verbal communication, and it seems so nice and friendly.

[lol] [lol] [lol]

Sorry, but the idea of people being "nice and friendly" behind the wheel, and the idea of eye contact being safe and non-threatening to another driver is just amusing. It does indeed depend on where you live and drive.

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Originally posted by Para:
I realise this may be particular to the driver's ed. class I took, but I was taught that if you arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time as someone directly opposite, you should make eye contact with the other driver and wave them on ahead of you. If you both attempt to wave on, indicate either acceptance or deferral before proceeding into the intersection. I still see this a lot when I'm driving, so maybe it's just a rural Oklahoma thing.

It takes a mere moment out of your life to do this bit of non-verbal communication, and it seems so nice and friendly.

[lol] [lol] [lol]

Sorry, but the idea of people being "nice and friendly" behind the wheel, and the idea of eye contact being safe and non-threatening to another driver is just amusing. It does indeed depend on where you live and drive.

I don't mean to give you the idea that everyone out here is a fluffy-headed kids' show representation of happy friendliness behind the wheel. I've literally been run off the road back home by brazen asshats who thought that doing so would be funny. Admittedly "nice and friendly" may have been the wrong way to summarize how I feel about the policy that I was taught, which was to establish communication with the other driver instead of challenging them to a head-on drag race.

If that's really how things go in your region, I can honestly say that I feel very sorry for you and the others on your roads. It happens here sometimes, but I haven't experienced it being the norm yet. You're not making James Dean-like challenging grimaces when you make eye contact, are you? [lol]

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