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Echinodermata Q. Taft
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From Newsday:

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The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.
A sad milestone. A significant one? I'm not sure.

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Troberg
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If Iraqi losses are counted, we passed that line a long, long time ago. I think they should be counted, as the attack on Iraq had no connection to the attack on the WTC, so it can't be said that the attack on Iraq was made in retalliation as the attack on Afghanistan was.

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Christie
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It doesn't matter how many Iraqis die though - it just doesn't. No matter how you or I may feel about that Troberg. Continuing to drag that into discussions of this nature cloud the most pressing issue. And for most ordinary Americans that is whether sending off their young men and women to die was actually something worth doing. It is not the ultimate death toll - it is that they these young Americans continue to die despite "mission accomplished" and will continue to die as long as troops remain in Iraq.

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Mad Jay
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quote:
Originally posted by Christie:
It doesn't matter how many Iraqis die though - it just doesn't. No matter how you or I may feel about that Troberg. Continuing to drag that into discussions of this nature cloud the most pressing issue. And for most ordinary Americans that is whether sending off their young men and women to die was actually something worth doing. It is not the ultimate death toll - it is that they these young Americans continue to die despite "mission accomplished" and will continue to die as long as troops remain in Iraq.

So, if there were a solution that would kill a lot of Iraqis but stop American troops from dying, you would go for it?

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Lainie
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I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

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Christie
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quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
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Originally posted by Christie:
It doesn't matter how many Iraqis die though - it just doesn't. No matter how you or I may feel about that Troberg. Continuing to drag that into discussions of this nature cloud the most pressing issue. And for most ordinary Americans that is whether sending off their young men and women to die was actually something worth doing. It is not the ultimate death toll - it is that they these young Americans continue to die despite "mission accomplished" and will continue to die as long as troops remain in Iraq.

So, if there were a solution that would kill a lot of Iraqis but stop American troops from dying, you would go for it?
Uh ok, sure, that's exactly what I meant [Confused] .

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Christie
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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Exactly Lainie. Thank you.

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Mad Jay
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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Ahh, I'm sorry, I thought Christie was speaking for herself rather than most of America.

I don't think Christie's right though. Iraqi deaths do matter to most Americans. If they didn't, we would have nuked them already. Americans might put more importance on American lives than on Iraqi lives, but that's a far cry from saying that Iraqi lives don't matter

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Lainie
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quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Ahh, I'm sorry, I thought Christie was speaking for herself rather than most of America.
I thought the phrase "no matter how you and I feel about that" made it clear she wasn't speaking for herself. I don't think she was speaking for most of America, either; I think she was expressing her opinion of what many Americans think. Not the same thing at all, really.

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I don't think Christie's right though. Iraqi deaths do matter to most Americans. If they didn't, we would have nuked them already.
I can think of a few other reasons why we might not nuke Iraq.

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Americans might put more importance on American lives than on Iraqi lives, but that's a far cry from saying that Iraqi lives don't matter
Actually, Christie's original phrase was:

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It doesn't matter how many Iraqis die
Not quite the same thing as "Iraqi lives don't matter," which is how I paraphrased it. Your take on it is, I agree, more accurate: most Americans consider Iraqi lives less valuable than American lives, rather than not caring about them at all.

It's still a safe bet, IMO, that the relative number of Iraqi deaths will be a minor factor, if it's a factor at all, in US government decision-making about Iraq.

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Christie
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quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Ahh, I'm sorry, I thought Christie was speaking for herself rather than most of America.

I don't think Christie's right though. Iraqi deaths do matter to most Americans. If they didn't, we would have nuked them already. Americans might put more importance on American lives than on Iraqi lives, but that's a far cry from saying that Iraqi lives don't matter

I would wonder if my post was lacking in clarity if Lainie didn't seem to understand exactly what I was saying.

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Mad Jay
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quote:
Originally posted by Christie:
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Ahh, I'm sorry, I thought Christie was speaking for herself rather than most of America.

I don't think Christie's right though. Iraqi deaths do matter to most Americans. If they didn't, we would have nuked them already. Americans might put more importance on American lives than on Iraqi lives, but that's a far cry from saying that Iraqi lives don't matter

I would wonder if my post was lacking in clarity if Lainie didn't seem to understand exactly what I was saying.
Yes, it's my fault. I presumed that you wouldn't want to speak on the behalf of most Americans. I was wrong. Sorry.

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Silas Sparkhammer
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quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
So, if there were a solution that would kill a lot of Iraqis but stop American troops from dying, you would go for it?

Yes. It's called "ending the war and withdrawing the troops."

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Christie
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quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Christie:
quote:
Originally posted by Mad Jay:
quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I don't think Christie means that Iraqi deaths don't matter to her, but rather that they don't matter to most Americans, and will not be a deciding factor for how the US government proceeds in Iraq. And I'm very much afraid she's right. [Frown]

Ahh, I'm sorry, I thought Christie was speaking for herself rather than most of America.

I don't think Christie's right though. Iraqi deaths do matter to most Americans. If they didn't, we would have nuked them already. Americans might put more importance on American lives than on Iraqi lives, but that's a far cry from saying that Iraqi lives don't matter

I would wonder if my post was lacking in clarity if Lainie didn't seem to understand exactly what I was saying.
Yes, it's my fault. I presumed that you wouldn't want to speak on the behalf of most Americans. I was wrong. Sorry.
Wow, are you mad at the world today or just me?

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I just saw THIS TOPIC in a myspace bulletin (scroll down to 2nd picture)& alsoTHIS THREAD has a story metioned(see 3rd picture)...

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