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The parents of a severely disabled woman suing a Colorado Springs school district over a sexual assault at a high school said the district has refused to mediate a civil lawsuit as one of its experts called the attack "pleasurable" for the woman.

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There was a recent Law and Order: SVU episode on something similar.

She was 18 years old. Is she FORCED to be considered a "ward" forever? Can she NEVER choose to do something that may or may not be enjoyable for her?

If the authorities do not charge the BOY with rape of a retarded woman, then they should charge the retarded woman with rape of an under age BOY!!

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If that is the truth (sometimes interested parties mishear/misinterpret what the other side is saying), then the school is in trouble. This would be a statutory case. If the daughter is as disabled as it sounds from the article she would by law be unable to give consent and if the school really did fail to screen the boy before putting him in a position of authority they may well be liable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Malruhn:
There was a recent Law and Order: SVU episode on something similar.

She was 18 years old. Is she FORCED to be considered a "ward" forever? Can she NEVER choose to do something that may or may not be enjoyable for her?

If the authorities do not charge the BOY with rape of a retarded woman, then they should charge the retarded woman with rape of an under age BOY!!

Reread the article. The Boy plead guilty to a charge last year.

Can someone with a severe cognitive disability choose "to do something that may or may not be enjoyable for her"? I guess it depends on the severity of the disability. I agree that there is something disquieting about the law stating that any sex that such a person has is by statute rape, but what is the alternative? Do we allow anyone who can persuade a profoundly disabled person to have sex to do so? What if the person is so disabled that they need a caregiver to make all judgements for them and the person persuading them to have sex is that caregiver? (that seems pretty close to this case actually)

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This was an episode of Law & Order (the original series, not one of the offshoots) some years back -- the judge dismissed the charges, saying the girl "was having the time of her life." The episode predated this incident -- seems eerily prescient. I'll see if I can locate the episode.

ETA: Got it! Season 8, "Damaged" -- link here.

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Let's see here. Her IQ was 50, the boy who raped her was assigned as a peer trainer (whatever that is), her behavior toward men after the attack has become aggressive.

Sounds like the experience wasn't too pleasurable, the boy's a scumbag, and the "professional" hired by the district needs to be deep fried....

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I don't understand what about was "pleasurable".

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I don't know much about the subject, but I've heard that sometimes even rape victims have orgasms at the time of rape. That doesn't in any way make it a pleasurable experience.

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Why was a boy with a 0.0 GPA assigned as a peer trainer anyway? What was he going to train her to do? Fail?

This school district has everything ass-backwards.

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The SVU episode this made me think of was on Channel M tonight in BC. Competence
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
Let's see here. Her IQ was 50, the boy who raped her was assigned as a peer trainer (whatever that is), her behavior toward men after the attack has become aggressive.

Sounds like the experience wasn't too pleasurable, the boy's a scumbag, and the "professional" hired by the district needs to be deep fried....

They did not define how she become aggressive. I would guess they were saying she had become sexual aggressive toward males. That sounds like it may have been more than a pleasurable experience.
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quote:
Originally posted by Singing in the Drizzle:
quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
Let's see here. Her IQ was 50, the boy who raped her was assigned as a peer trainer (whatever that is), her behavior toward men after the attack has become aggressive.

Sounds like the experience wasn't too pleasurable, the boy's a scumbag, and the "professional" hired by the district needs to be deep fried....

They did not define how she become aggressive. I would guess they were saying she had become sexual aggressive toward males. That sounds like it may have been more than a pleasurable experience.
I have a good friend who has a profoundly mentally handicapped son. He went through a stage when he was in his teens where he probably would have been described as "sexually agressive". His mind may have functioned at a very low level but his body was perfectly normal. Hormones can be a horrible thing.

The sad part is that there are no women (well ok maybe one or two) who are going to seek out and solicit sex from a severely mentally handicapped teenage boy. The same cannot be said for certain men who prey on the innocence and vulnerability of mentally handicapped girls. If there is a hell I hope there is a special place there for those men (and occasional women) who would do such a thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Singing in the Drizzle:
quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
Let's see here. Her IQ was 50, the boy who raped her was assigned as a peer trainer (whatever that is), her behavior toward men after the attack has become aggressive.

Sounds like the experience wasn't too pleasurable, the boy's a scumbag, and the "professional" hired by the district needs to be deep fried....

They did not define how she become aggressive. I would guess they were saying she had become sexual aggressive toward males.
They clearly defined the aggression. From the article:

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Starr said Kalie is still sweet and friendly, but will grab men and pinch them.

"She used to be passive and affectionate, now she's aggressive, especially toward males," said McArthur. "She could end up hurting someone, maybe a little boy."

Doesn't sound like sexual aggression to me.

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That sounds like it may have been more than a pleasurable experience.
I'm not sure what you mean by "more than a pleasurable experience," but it's my understanding that victims of child sexual abuse sometimes becomes inappropriately sexually aggressive. Do you think they enjoyed it, too?

Then there's the matter of her bruises.

ETA: If she's not considered, under law, to be capapble of consenting to a sexual act, her specific physical reaction to the experience is irrelevant.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:

They clearly defined the aggression. From the article:

quote:
Starr said Kalie is still sweet and friendly, but will grab men and pinch them.

"She used to be passive and affectionate, now she's aggressive, especially toward males," said McArthur. "She could end up hurting someone, maybe a little boy."

Doesn't sound like sexual aggression to me.
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I'm not trying to judge who was right or wrong. Since the article does not start to tell the whole story from both sides. I will let the courts decide what to do. I know the boy confesed to forcing the girl and it is possible he was forced into confessing. Again I'm not trying to judge ether of them.

The article said she was being agressive and pinching males. It did not tell you how she was being agressive or how she was pinching. Its just the word agressive does not tell you much with out some more words to describe how she is being agressive. A simmilar thing for the pinching. My wife pinches me all the time, but it is not to harm me and depending on how and were it can be pleasurable.

It been a 60 hour week a the office and my brain had not been functioning the best when I get home at night. I did not intend for what I said to be mean or hurtful. It just that I think the article should had said more about the agressive behavor and pinching and not let us assume the worst.

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Once again the writer or the editor of the article decided to put more emphasis on the shock value and put very little details.

How exactly did they conclude that the experience was pleasurable for the woman?Did she say she enjoyed it?

The article also mentions her being gropped and grabbed by other boys too.Did she enjoy that as well?

It's like a child molestation case with the ages reversed.

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