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TrishDaDish
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My uncle sent me this one. I tried to look it up, but all I get is game player sites saying "KEWL CAR!!!! I WANT 1!!!!"

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The new Benz - Very different....really different! ....SCROLL DOWN...

car pic 1

This is the new Mercedes Benz SCL600.

car pic 2

This car is really different.

car pic 3

That's not what is different about it.

car pic 4

That either.

car pic 5

.....and now for the 'really different' part:

car pic 6

Here is what is different.

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No steering wheel, you drive it with a joystick. No pedals either.
Can you drive with a joystick? Your kids and grand-kids probably can.
The influence of video games in our lives has really arrived, wouldn't ya say?



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It's scary: the £6m Mercedes without a steering wheel (The Times, October 17, 2004)

It's a prototype for a "drive by wire" concept, although there aren't enough pictures in the article to tell whether it's about the same model as the one shown. (From the picture of the interior, it looks like an earlier prototype - the joystick and dashboard styling is different.)

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The only problem is that the ground-breaking system is currently illegal on public roads: European rules specify there must be a mechanical link between the steering and the wheels. The obvious concern is what happens if the software goes wrong — and it is a sobering thought.
(edit) It seems they've been playing with the concept for a few years. Let your fingers do the driving (16th June 2000) mentions that a joystick model was unveiled in 1996 in Paris, and that "two dozen teenagers tested a Mercedes-Benz SLK equipped with a joystick at the maker's Papenberg test track" late in 1999.
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It appears to be a concept car from 1996 - details here

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Grand Illusion
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I question the ergonomics of placing a navigation controller in the center of the car rather than in front of the driver, or at least closer to the driver.

Also, how do you put large items into the trunk??

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quote:
Originally posted by Grand Illusion:
I question the ergonomics of placing a navigation controller in the center of the car rather than in front of the driver, or at least closer to the driver.

Also, how do you put large items into the trunk??

You don't. If you can afford this car, you can afford to have items delivered...or picked up by "the help". [Big Grin]

I agree that the controller has not been positioned correctly.

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IIRC SAAB trotted out a joystick controlled car in the early nineties.

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I think the analysts might prove even less enthusiastic than they are now if the word "tiller" were suggested to them.

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KDS
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Greetings,

Fish me if I’m totally off base, but don’t most commercial aircraft use the whole computers-really-move-the-parts thing? If we trust jetliners with the technology, why wouldn’t we trust it in road vehicles?

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The obvious concern is what happens if the software goes wrong — and it is a sobering thought.

What if the metal bits that connect your steering wheel to the whatchamacallit and the dohicky* go wrong? Assuming the computers and software that would go into such a system was held to the same (hopefully rigorous) standards that mechanical steering submits to, where’s the danger? Is it just fear of something that’s different from what you’re comfortable with?

*Shows you how much I know about the inner workings of cars. Or the outer ones, I don’t even drive!

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The difference between cars and aircraft is that aircraft are much more rigorously inspected and tested on a regular basis. FWIW, the general populace tend not to have their cars serviced beyond changing the oil unless something breaks. Sometimes they don't get serviced even if something DOES break. On the other hand, aircraft won't leave the ground unless everything checks out before each and every flight.

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As for the side placement of the stick, that has been done on aircraft for a while too. Mostly for the improved ergonomics. I suspect there would need to be some form of arm rest provided though. I can't remember if there is one in the pictured in the OP though. I suspect that this design may be easier to drive for someone learning to drive from scratch, but harder to adjust to for someone used to a traditional wheel.

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Jay Tea
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I think the steering wheel's gonna be with us for a while, even with power control systems and 'in-situ' vehicle operations, but a full 'drive by wire' system, however basic, would be prohibitive in terms of mass production prices surely?

Sooner or later though they'll be semi or even fully automatic, a la 'I Robot'. Climb in, tell the car to take you the pub of your choice and honks it's horn about 12 to take you home [lol]

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Nicki
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KDS, did we go to the same tech school and learned all the important parts of machinery. Don't forget the do-dad, and thing-a-ma-jig.
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KDS, did we go to the same tech school and learn all the important parts of machinery. Don't forget the do-dad, and thing-a-ma-jig.
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jamira
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Regarding the plane controlled by a joystick, I think the poster may have been referring to a Cirrus light aircraft.

this link for example...
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/aircraft/interior/

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Class Bravo
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Airbus airliners also have a stick in lieu of a yoke. I remember the first time I went into the flightdeck of an A320 that really threw me off.
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quote:
Originally posted by Grand Illusion:
I question the ergonomics of placing a navigation controller in the center of the car rather than in front of the driver, or at least closer to the driver.

Also, what if you're a lefty? I doubt I could drive that thing right-handed...

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I remember having the same concern when I was learning to fly a plane (the other way around though, as I'm right-handed and on a plane you steer with your left hand and control the throttle with your right). It's actually pretty amazing how quickly you get used to it and how intuitive it becomes.
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IIRC SAAB trotted out a joystick controlled car in the early nineties.
Sure you are not confusing it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Gripen
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Of course, I had a relative have the power steering go out on her car while she was driving, and, not being a very strong person, was basically unable to steer (especially once she got down to slower speeds). So the importance of the "mechanical connection" might be somewhat overvalued. Though, admittedly, even having some minimal steering control remains preferable to none whatsoever... but I guess you could always lean really hard, or they could implement an emergency break system that could apply pressure separately to the different wheels, which could then be used as a last-ditch steering mechanism.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troberg:
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IIRC SAAB trotted out a joystick controlled car in the early nineties.
Sure you are not confusing it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Gripen
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Nion
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quote:
Originally posted by Logoboros:
Of course, I had a relative have the power steering go out on her car while she was driving, and, not being a very strong person, was basically unable to steer (especially once she got down to slower speeds). So the importance of the "mechanical connection" might be somewhat overvalued. Though, admittedly, even having some minimal steering control remains preferable to none whatsoever... but I guess you could always lean really hard, or they could implement an emergency break system that could apply pressure separately to the different wheels, which could then be used as a last-ditch steering mechanism.

You make the argument for a mechanical connection right in your post, though! Just imagine what would have happened if she had a joystick instead, and it had stopped operating. Power steering is one thing, losing steering in general would be horrifying to say the least.

For some reason that reminds me: Don't the new Minis have electronic brake and gas? I for one would never trust my braking ability to a computer chip buried in the dashboard. [Eek!]

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I vote for a car that has a USB port in the middle, and you can plug a Logitech Wingman in and control it from wherever you like...even the backseat. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by Xia:
quote:
Originally posted by Grand Illusion:
I question the ergonomics of placing a navigation controller in the center of the car rather than in front of the driver, or at least closer to the driver.

Also, what if you're a lefty? I doubt I could drive that thing right-handed...
My original thought upon seeing the car was that this was an attempt to make the car more ambidexterous, as it were, for sales on either side of the Channel.

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I'm not worried. The cost of such a car would be so far out of my price range (I drive a used Ford Taurus) that it concerns me not. When you see one of those in a $10,000 car, let me know...

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You make the argument for a mechanical connection right in your post, though! Just imagine what would have happened if she had a joystick instead, and it had stopped operating. Power steering is one thing, losing steering in general would be horrifying to say the least.

For some reason that reminds me: Don't the new Minis have electronic brake and gas? I for one would never trust my braking ability to a computer chip buried in the dashboard.

Mechanical control is fine, but there are still sooo many ways the computer chip in your car can eff you up if it sets its little mind to it. Volvo had a problem where cars suddenly and violently burst into flames for no apparent reason. Many cars have anti skid systems that control the engine and which could just as well put the pedal to the metal if something goes wrong. And don't get me started on airbags. How do you know that an electronics error don't tell the ABS that it's slipping all the time, effectively turning off the brakes? The random play on the stereo that's only pseudo random and plays the bad songs much more often than the good? Automatic transmissions that get stuck in gear?

Like it or not, the computer has your life in its hands.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troberg:
Like it or not, the computer has your life in its hands.

You forgot to add the maniacal laugh at the end of your post. You know, "BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!" and such....

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Also, what if you're a lefty? I doubt I could drive that thing right-handed...
I'm right handed and I steer with my left, since I drive a manual. It probably wouldn't be much different.
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