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t_chelle16
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http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=3183

To me, it looks like it was taken from a much lower altitude than space.

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Silas Sparkhammer
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It's hard to work out the angles -- you could use Google Earth and try to emulate the scene -- but remember that the ISS orbits at a pretty low path -- roughly 200 miles above the earth -- and this picture *could* be real.

Also, we don't know what magnification is used on the camera taking the pic.

I vote real... (But I almost always do!)

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Having seen a shuttle launch, I'd say if these were taken from the ISS, we would all be able to see it clearly hanging in the sky overhead. And it would take just a couple of minutes for the shuttle to reach the ISS.

One of the comments says they're more likely from a chase plane; I concur.

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That was passed around one of my model builder lists a couple weeks ago, that has some hard core space modelers. It apparently was taken from a high altitude NASA observation plane.
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That shot is within 2 minutes of the launch (SRBs are still going) and it has almost got up to the altitude of the picture taker.

The edge of the window looks more like a cockpit glass than a ISS glass.

I would also vote for chase plane. It might be an ER-2 shot, but I didn't think they chased the shuttle like that. if the date is right, I will check around and see if anyone here knows (of course, SOME of the people here have passed on the "Katrina" shots, so...).

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CheseJRS
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I would go with the chase plane theory as well. that picture looks to be from high altitude observation rather than the space station, besides i believe it takes several days for the shuttle to 'catch up' with the ISS.

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Speaking as a total idiot when it comes to space technology:

The color of the padding around the window is black. Isn't most of the ISS's interior white or gray? Also, the window looks much more aerodynamic than I would think the windows on the ISS would be.

Also, the angle from which the picture is taken coupled with the atmospheric effects suggests to me something that isn't quite past the earth's atmosphere.

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Ganzfeld
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These pictures have to be taken at a much lower altitude than the ISS. While the ISS does have a low orbit, as Silas points out, it is still much too high to see that thick of an atmosphere. (Google ISS images to see how thin it actually looks from the ISS.)
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This picture doesn't look like it was taken above 60,000 feet to me. But I am no expert.

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Gibbie
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A forum at NASA Spaceflight.com states that they are from a chase plane flown by NASA/JSC WB-57 High Altitude Research. They've confirmed the source but placed the photos on a pay to view server.

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t_chelle16
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Amigone201
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ISS? Somebody was watching a shuttle launch from in school suspension?

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quote:
Originally posted by Amigone201:
ISS? Somebody was watching a shuttle launch from in school suspension?

Yes. In this case they were suspended at about 60,000 feet.

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What struck me immediately in this photograph was #1) The lack of significant curvature of the earth that would be most visible if taken from 220 miles up.

#2) Is the time stamp that is in American format. Euro and asian formats use the year first. This is from a small digital camera.

#3) the reflection in the canopy glass reveals something in very close proximity to it, as it would if it were from a small cramped cockpit of a chase plane.

#4) Finally, the canopy edge is quite distiguishable. It is from a cockpit sill.

Surely NASA would never fire a missle from the cape with any planes flying in the area other than an authorized chase/observation plane. So it must be a chase plane.

Even so, it is an impressive photograph.

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What struck me immediately in this photograph was #1) The lack of significant curvature of the earth that would be most visible if taken from 220 miles up.

#2) Is the time stamp that is in American format. Euro and asian formats use the year first. This is from a small digital camera.

#3) the reflection in the canopy glass reveals something in very close proximity to it, as it would if it were from a small cramped cockpit of a chase plane.

#4) Finally, the canopy edge is quite distiguishable. It is from a cockpit sill.

Surely NASA would never fire a missle from the cape with any planes flying in the area other than an authorized chase/observation plane. So it must be a chase plane.

Even so, it is an impressive photograph.

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Is the time stamp that is in American format. Euro and asian formats use the year first. This is from a small digital camera.
I think the time stamp is stored as raw data (usually an offset from a certain point in time), not as text. The rest is just a matter of formatting.

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Anyone got photoshop handy? you can see if the metadata is still intact. It would probably tell you the make and model of the camera!

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quote:
Originally posted by Hans Off:
Anyone got photoshop handy? you can see if the metadata is still intact. It would probably tell you the make and model of the camera!

'Fraid not. All it has is:
quote:
Originally posted by Adobe Photoshop:
CreationDate: 2006-10-23T16:36:19Z



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Hans Off
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Does that coencide with a shuttle launch?

Someone with more time on their hands than me can calculate the altitude of the shuttle at that precise time and therefore estimate the altitude of the chase plane!

I presume the z at the end of the timestamp indicates "zulu" time i.e. gmt??!

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The time stamp on the second (or rather first) photo says 09/09/2006 which happens to coindcide with the date that the shuttle mission STS-115 was launched.

ET correct an error.

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From the launch blog for STS 115 it gives...

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11:14:55 a.m. - LIFTOFF!!! 3...2...1...and liftoff of Space Shuttle Atlantis...opening a new chapter in the completion of the International Space Station...for the future of collaboration of nations in space.
and an SRB separation at 11:16 EDT


It seems the owner of the camera hadn't set the time on it correctly!

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Gibbie
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quote:
Originally posted by Hans Off:
From the launch blog for STS 115 it gives...

quote:
11:14:55 a.m. - LIFTOFF!!! 3...2...1...and liftoff of Space Shuttle Atlantis...opening a new chapter in the completion of the International Space Station...for the future of collaboration of nations in space.
and an SRB separation at 11:16 EDT


It seems the owner of the camera hadn't set the time on it correctly!

Is it possible that the photo was actually on film and that the photoshop date indicates the time and date it was scanned into a digital format?

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