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*Warning* These pics show dead (unbloodied) girls killed in Lebannon.
I saw this on another board as evidence of further staging of photos of the war in Lebannon.
I'm not doubting that the photos are untouched, but I'm wondering if the description of what's going on in is accurate (i.e. that the photos are being staged).
quote:Against all that, does it matter that we were sold a lie? Ironically - and unintentionally - The Independent headline articulates the question: "How can we stand by and allow this to go on"? But I suspect they were not thinking what we are thinking.
It's right to question what we see, especially since photo-manipulation has never been easier.
Fact remains; people are dying on both sides of the border. That's not a lie. And I don't want to take any particular side in this conflict.
Propaganda is a fact of any war. Heck my dad still believes half the lies our government fed him and the rest of the population during WWII, despite recent evidence to the contrary.
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To be clear, I'm not trying to take sides by posting this...I was just wondering if there was an alternative explanation to the pics than the one in that article.
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quote:Originally posted by bthyb: To be clear, I'm not trying to take sides by posting this...I was just wondering if there was an alternative explanation to the pics than the one in that article.
Hmmm, that guy with the green helmet sure does get around...
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quote:Originally posted by bthyb: To be clear, I'm not trying to take sides by posting this...I was just wondering if there was an alternative explanation to the pics than the one in that article.
Well, I personally think you have couched the thread title in a very partisan way. No-one is suggesting that these pictures are faked, or have been digitally manipulated in any fashion. There may be some staging of the rescue efforts for the benefit of reporters, but those are real dead children from real Israeli military efforts.
Certainly, Hezbollah are deriving propaganda advantage from these photographs. I suppose they should be grateful to the IDF for supplying the props.
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quote:Originally posted by bthyb: To be clear, I'm not trying to take sides by posting this...I was just wondering if there was an alternative explanation to the pics than the one in that article.
Hmmm, that guy with the green helmet sure does get around...
Every single photograph on that entire website of this man was taken on the same day in the same small location.
You know, the one with all the dead children?
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The first link destroyed any chanch of credibility for me by saying that the man in the white t-shirt has writing on his chest - which aas apparently 'been blurred'- when it's clear that it is just shadow. Where do they think it went in the other pictures?
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As I see it, there are various levels of faking photos. In order of rising wrongness:
1. Completely real. 2. Basic enhancement for clarity, such as correcting exposure or colours, as long as the entire image is run through the same filter. Often, you can't get away from this anyway, as most cameras do some enhancing automatically. 3. Removal of some content, such as individual faces, for privacy, security reasons or legal reasons (such as some nations having laws against showing identifiable logos on the publically funded channels). 4. Accurate re-enactments. So, we were not there on time, so we do our best to give an accurate image of what happened. 5. Manipulation in order to distort/"enhance" the truth. Re-enactment with added drama. 6. Manipulation in order to create a completely untrue image or re-enactment of something that never happened.
For me, 1 & 2 is completely OK and not questionable. 3 may, depending on the circumstances, be wrong. 4, while having a lower credibility, is still an acceptable alternative if clearly labeled as such and no better alternative is possible. 5 is propaganda and should not be used. 6 is an abomination.
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As far as staging the events to capitalise on the media's ability to carry a message, every group does it.
CBC's The Passionate Eye does an interesting episode on the US Military's control of the media from Vietnam to the recent Iraq invasion. One of the interesting stories is about how the US military would incite events to bring into the US livingroom. The one they examine in detail is the famous "bringing down the statue of Saddam".
It was eye opening, and because Hezbollah does it, does not make it wrong or right.
ETA: I'm going to clarify. I believe that they are demonstrating a representative event (both Hezbollah and the US) but are maximising emotion to convey their message. Neither is inventing emotion.
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