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People have survived things one would think unsurvivalable and died during things that one would think a person would be able to shrug off.
Instead of trying to caculate the speed they were going, it might be far more effective to check into the source for the video and news sources for that area.
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quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: Instead of trying to caculate the speed they were going, it might be far more effective to check into the source for the video and news sources for that area.
I'd be shocked if they died. Other than the comment in the OP, and a comment on UTube that seemed to be fascetious, I don't think there's any real evidence they died.
In liu of any follow-up sources (which probably don't exist, unless they DID die (or unless the person responsible for the video can be contacted for comment) we probaly have to live with our speculations/calculations.
quote:Originally posted by Ophiuchus: People have survived things one would think unsurvivalable and died during things that one would think a person would be able to shrug off.
Instead of trying to caculate the speed they were going, it might be far more effective to check into the source for the video and news sources for that area.
Since I can't find anything (have searched the local BBC website and Crawley's local news websites), it's safe to assume they didn't.
Two teenage girls being killed in a freak accident in the UK, particularly an easily avoidable one such as this, would probably have attracted national attention.
OT - all my searches including the word roundabout DID yield plenty of incidents where children and teenagers got mashed on traffic roundabouts - but they're just "accidents" aren't they, and not worthy of our attention (sarcasm x 3000)
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This has just been on the news on Radio 1. Apparently the police are looking for the people involved, it happened in Tilgate Park in Crawley and the person who originally posted the video has removed it. I still can't find a refernece to this on the BBC website though.
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it was in the metro this morning (I assume it's the scooter & roundabout incident, there is no mention of their demise, but Crawley council do not know who they are and have appealed for witnesses.
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What would be the crime, other than "kids doing dumb things"?
The girls seem quite willing participants, and I doubt there are laws that specifically deal with this (other than perhaps the scooter shouldn't have been off the roadway, etc).
quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: What would be the crime, other than "kids doing dumb things"?
The girls seem quite willing participants, and I doubt there are laws that specifically deal with this (other than perhaps the scooter shouldn't have been off the roadway, etc).
-Tim
I thin kit would come under the new all-encompassing anti social behaviour crack down. Not necessarily a bad thing IMHO.
quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: What would be the crime, other than "kids doing dumb things"?
The girls seem quite willing participants, and I doubt there are laws that specifically deal with this (other than perhaps the scooter shouldn't have been off the roadway, etc).
-Tim
Any number of laws. Taking a scooter into a playground like that no doubt is illegal, they could potentially damage that roundabout, by making the video public they could be encouraging other to repeat the stunt. You may think I'm joking on that last one but they've had the police patrolling that playground to stop copycats. Crawley doesn't exactly have a reputation for smart level headed types...
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BBC report on the vid
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quote:Originally posted by abigsmurf: BBC report on the vid
That report seems a bit counterproductive if you ask me - I bet they have ten times as many people trying to copy it after that...
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Well, I would guess that the kids did not get hurt, then. I mean, if they got hurt, they would not be hard to find; I am sure the cops checked the local hospitals for people with injuries consistant with this.
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quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: What would be the crime, other than "kids doing dumb things"?
British police officers swear to protect the crown, the law, and life. I think this would come under protecting life.
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quote:Originally posted by Neffti Neffti Bang Bang: ]British police officers swear to protect the crown, the law, and life. I think this would come under protecting life.
But at this point, it seems counterproductive to give them anything other than a harsh lecture/scolding. They obviously survived, and they probably had no idea how dangerous what they were doing was. No need to slap on criminal/juvinile charges to force the point...
quote:Originally posted by Neffti Neffti Bang Bang: ]British police officers swear to protect the crown, the law, and life. I think this would come under protecting life.
But at this point, it seems counterproductive to give them anything other than a harsh lecture/scolding. They obviously survived, and they probably had no idea how dangerous what they were doing was. No need to slap on criminal/juvinile charges to force the point...
-Tim
A harsh lecture/scolding is very likely what a patrolling officer would give if they saw any likelihood of this situation being repeated, and the motive for patrolling would very likely be to educate and prevent injury rather than increase crime stats. Just because an officer attends an incident, it doesn't follow that a charge will be brought.
The onus is really on the local council to take measures to ensure the safety of people using play equipment provided and maintained by them... but especially outside of office hours, if teenagers are putting their lives at risk, it'll be the police that get the phone call warning that teenagers are putting their lives at risk. And when they get that call, they have to act.
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I don't like all the stereotyping going on in this thread. I know nothing about Crawley -- heck I had to look it up in Wikipedia just to make sure it was in the UK, as I suspected. But it seems ironic that at the same time Mel Gibson is getting blasted for making blanket statements about Jews while drunk, people are characterizing an entire population of a large city as "wannabe thugs" and "not exactly level headed". It's not fair to these kids to assume this. I'm guessing everyone here did at least one thing at that age that could have, in retrospect, gotten themselves killed...
quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: I don't like all the stereotyping going on in this thread. I know nothing about Crawley -- heck I had to look it up in Wikipedia just to make sure it was in the UK, as I suspected. But it seems ironic that at the same time Mel Gibson is getting blasted for making blanket statements about Jews while drunk, people are characterizing an entire population of a large city as "wannabe thugs" and "not exactly level headed". It's not fair to these kids to assume this. I'm guessing everyone here did at least one thing at that age that could have, in retrospect, gotten themselves killed...
Assume good faith, people. Please.
-Tim
We're in agreement here, Tim. Teenagers in Crawley are no more or less inexperienced and ready to test limits than teenagers anywhere and from any era.
If anything, I'd say making a playground roundabout go really fast is pretty innocent behaviour by today's standards.
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quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: I don't like all the stereotyping going on in this thread. I know nothing about Crawley -- heck I had to look it up in Wikipedia just to make sure it was in the UK, as I suspected. But it seems ironic that at the same time Mel Gibson is getting blasted for making blanket statements about Jews while drunk, people are characterizing an entire population of a large city as "wannabe thugs" and "not exactly level headed". It's not fair to these kids to assume this. I'm guessing everyone here did at least one thing at that age that could have, in retrospect, gotten themselves killed...
Assume good faith, people. Please.
-Tim
That's lovely, A person from Minneapolis coming to the defense of the reputation of Crawley. It nearly brought a tear to my eye.
I have more faith in humanity now!
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quote:Originally posted by Rehcsif: I don't like all the stereotyping going on in this thread. I know nothing about Crawley -- heck I had to look it up in Wikipedia just to make sure it was in the UK, as I suspected. But it seems ironic that at the same time Mel Gibson is getting blasted for making blanket statements about Jews while drunk, people are characterizing an entire population of a large city as "wannabe thugs" and "not exactly level headed". It's not fair to these kids to assume this. I'm guessing everyone here did at least one thing at that age that could have, in retrospect, gotten themselves killed...
Assume good faith, people. Please.
-Tim
Crawley isn't a large city, it's a medium sized town. I did actually use to live next to the town (in a village called crawley Down). The town does have a problem with wannabe gangs and teenagers acting hard.
It's also slightly ironic defending Crawley against blanket statements. Crawley used to be a solid council seat for Labour but they lost the last local elections. The main reason? Their soft stance on gypsies. I remember it making the national news that a town meeting on 'the problem' almost turned into a riot.
More examples of things that has given the town such a bad reputation:
quote:Originally posted by abigsmurf: Crawley isn't a large city, it's a medium sized town. I did actually use to live next to the town (in a village called crawley Down). The town does have a problem with wannabe gangs and teenagers acting hard.
Wikipedia says it's about 100K people. Beings I grew up in a town of 300, (that's three hundred people), it's a big city to me. Regardless of what you call it, that's a lot of kids -- and to assume all of them are gang-related is wrong.
there are also mistakes in that crawley wikipedia article. Gatwick is NOT part of crawley for instance.
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Yeah, here in the US it varies by state, but has to do with how the city/town/whatever is incorporated. Even my 'town' of 300 people was legally a City in Iowa. Some states have a legal category for 'Village'. Minnesota used to, but not anymore, so it's only used informally.
100K people would virtually always be called a city anywhere I'm familiar with in the US.
But I didn't mean to steer this off-topic. My real point is that it doesn't matter if the place is know for gang activity or what-not -- these kids don't show any evidience of any of that -- just being typically dumb/bored kids trying something "cool". I did a few things at that age that I now cringe about (I remember passing a car up a hill, in a blind no-passing-zone, with my entire family in the car because I got sick of following the car. Causes me chills now...)
I guess I see a parallel being that you hear someone died in San Francisco, and the cause was not known, so somebody says "Yeah I bet they died of AIDS -- you know how SF is known for all the gays..."
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I love the outrage on that thing. "These young hoodlums are putting this stunt on the Internet FOR ANYONE TO WATCH!!! INCLUDING CHILDREN!!! IT IS OUTRAGEOUS! THE INTERNET SHOULD NOT BE FOR PEOPLE JUST PUTTING WHATEVER IMAGE THEY WANT TO HAVE ON THERE JUST WILLY NILLY FOR ANYONE TO SEE! DON'T THESE IDIOTS REALIZE HOW DANGEROUS THAT IS??? PROBABLY JUST SHOWING IT WILL CAUSE OTHER CHILDREN TO DO IT, AND THEN THEIR DOING IT WILL MAKE MORE CHILDREN DO IT, AND PRETTY SOON IT'S LIKE SALEM'S LOT ONLY INSTEAD OF VAMPIRES YOU HAVE GIRLS FLYING OFF OF CAROUSELS!!! AAAAHHH!!! BLOOD IS COMING OUT OF MY EYES, I AM SO OUTRAGED BY THE CONCEPT OF THE INTERNET BEING ABUSED IN THIS MANNER!!!!
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I know it's been said more than once in this thread, but I still don't understand how police are looking at this a a "potentially fatal" accident. Couldn't that be discerned in about three minutes? It would be something fairly well documented, wouldn't it?
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