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As for the age of consent, it is 16 in Georgia. The law in Georgia provides if one person is 14 or 15 years old and the other person is within three years of age and they have intercourse, it is only a misdemeanor and no sexual offender registry. However, if they have oral sex, like in this exact situation, then it is a felony that carries the 10-year sentence and sexual registration. That is where the true problem in the law is.


http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1710300

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why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

also: [Frown]

* nearly typed that as "misdemeanour....ah, British English, how I love you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jonny T:
why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

Probably because oral or anal sex are considered "deviant" sexual intercourse in common law.

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That is just sad and doesn't make sense. Oral sex is a felony while intercourse is not. [Confused]

Of course, the "fix" is to add "oral sex" to the list of "if one person is 14 or 15 years old and the other person is within three years of age and they have intercourse, it is only a misdemeanor and no sexual offender registry..." law.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pogue Ma-humbug:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonny T:
why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

Probably because oral or anal sex are considered "deviant" sexual intercourse in common law.

Pogue

I am guessing it's got something to do with the gays.

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Two questions:

1. don't DA have discretion about what case
they go after? What is with southern Prosecutors?
Do they have no common sense?

2. Who here thinks this would have been pursued
if the girl was 17 and the boy 15? The biased
against men in these type cases are unbelievable.

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Generally, I think the man is went after because:

A. They are generally the instigator, although not always true men seem to be more likely to be the one to pressure the girl into doing something...

B. The consequences are harder on the girl if something goes wrong... pregnancy for instance and STDs are supposed to be more sevcere in the case of women.

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That's just wrong. Granted, I'm not a die hard supporter of statutory rape, but 10 years in prison?? [Roll Eyes] Sheesh! Why don't we just stone him to death? It would make about as much sense.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jonny T:
why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

It's also possible that when they updated the law to be less restrictive, they just overlooked that it didn't update non-intercourse acts as well.
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So because he didn't go "all the way" and risk getting her pregnant he has to go to jail? What sense does that make?

I hope this case opens enough eyes to get that stupid law fixed. And I hope that poor boy wins his appeal.

I don't hold with teen sex because I think it's just a bad idea, but I don't think kids should be sent to prison for it.

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Ten years in prison.

*shakes head*

There's a big flap in my community (and deservedly so) because a white man shot and killed a black man who was seeing the white man's ex girlfriend and the all white jury sentenced the murderer to 3 years in jail.

All that racial stuff aside (and yes, in this part of the country, none of that is coincidence) I can't understand how someone can commit cold blooded, premeditated murder, and serve three years, and two kids screwing around and the boy gets ten years? Insanity.

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The article posted mentions a video and other boys, was this case brought up because of some sex tape that was filmed involving the 15 year-old girl and other boys? I'd be curious how it got into the hands of police in the first place. It's all so insane, such a long prison sentence for having oral sex with someone 2 years your junior. Madness. [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
quote:
Originally posted by Pogue Ma-humbug:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonny T:
why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

Probably because oral or anal sex are considered "deviant" sexual intercourse in common law.

Pogue

I am guessing it's got something to do with the gays.
not sure if you're serious or not, but the abc article seems to infer that the law was written by democrats, but with an entirely different intent than this application:

quote:
And a state legislator who helped pass the molestation law said it was never meant to police teen sex.
"The legislative intent was to protect women and children from sexual predators," said Rep. Tyrone Brooks, a Democrat in the Georgia State Assembly



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I was quite serious, callee, sadly. And aa Georgia Democrat is a very different animal than, say, a Michigan Democrat, but I'm glad they're protecting children and women from sexual preditors. You poor men'll have to defend yourselves.

And just because I am a member of the Democratic Party doesn't mean I agree with everything its other members do.

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:


And just because I am a member of the Democratic Party doesn't mean I agree with everything its other members do.

didn't meant to say that you did; I just thought that an ulterior anti-gay agenda might be less likely from an officially pro-gay party, yes?

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To be honest, callee, I think the Democratic Party is pretty anti-gay, as well, what with the passage of DoMA by Clinton, and the multitudes of Democrats voting in favor of anti-gay marriage bans and such.

It makes me sad.

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
To be honest, callee, I think the Democratic Party is pretty anti-gay, as well, what with the passage of DoMA by Clinton, and the multitudes of Democrats voting in favor of anti-gay marriage bans and such.

It makes me sad.

well, admittedly, most of my knowledge of democrats comes from the westwing.

ETA

on another interesting note, when I first posted above that I "didn't know whether you were serious or not" I was 98% sure that I was being overly-anal again and you were going to respond "calm down callee, I was just making a joke." Another great example how, in general, you can't rush to judgement on the tone and intent of someone's post.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bubby:
B. The consequences are harder on the girl if something goes wrong... pregnancy for instance and STDs are supposed to be more sevcere in the case of women.

The physical consequencs (in the case of pregnancy) may be worse, but rape is rape is rape. A woman who gets pregnant from her rape and a woman who doesn't have both suffered the same trauma.

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quote:
Originally posted by callee:
quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
To be honest, callee, I think the Democratic Party is pretty anti-gay, as well, what with the passage of DoMA by Clinton, and the multitudes of Democrats voting in favor of anti-gay marriage bans and such.

It makes me sad.

well, admittedly, most of my knowledge of democrats comes from the westwing.

*sigh*

That makes me so sad. Aaron Sorkin demonstrates the potential of the party, but the reality is so disappointing and annoying.

quote:
ETA

on another interesting note, when I first posted above that I "didn't know whether you were serious or not" I was 98% sure that I was being overly-anal again and you were going to respond "calm down callee, I was just making a joke." Another great example how, in general, you can't rush to judgement on the tone and intent of someone's post.

I think it could be called "joking on the square," which is, if I understand the concept, means I said it for comic effect, but it was also true. Is there another Franken afficianado who can back me up or correct me as necessary here?

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
I think it could be called "joking on the square," which is, if I understand the concept, means I said it for comic effect, but it was also true. Is there another Franken afficianado who can back me up or correct me as necessary here?

Slight nitpick: the term Franken uses is "kidding on the square," but your summary is essentially correct.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dara bhur gCara:
quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
I think it could be called "joking on the square," which is, if I understand the concept, means I said it for comic effect, but it was also true. Is there another Franken afficianado who can back me up or correct me as necessary here?

Slight nitpick: the term Franken uses is "kidding on the square," but your summary is essentially correct.
That's right! I knew that "joking on the square" didn't sound right.

Thanks, Dara.

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quote:
Originally posted by keokuk:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonny T:
why is intercourse a misdemeanor* and oral a felony?

It's also possible that when they updated the law to be less restrictive, they just overlooked that it didn't update non-intercourse acts as well.
Actually the law was amended this year to make consensual oral sex among minors a misdemeanor; however, the law was not made retroactive, and since this incident happened before the statute revisions, the judge felt bound to honor the 10-year sentence requirement.

See here for more in-depth legal discussions on the subject.

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quote:
Originally posted by asnakeny:
the law was not made retroactive,

This is the craziest thing I ever read... isn't there a standard procedure about retroactivity in American Law? Does it really need to be handled case by case?

That's even weirder than baseball...!

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quote:
Originally posted by Fusca 1976:
quote:
Originally posted by asnakeny:
the law was not made retroactive,

This is the craziest thing I ever read... isn't there a standard procedure about retroactivity in American Law? Does it really need to be handled case by case?

That's even weirder than baseball...!

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The problem arises in part because about ten or twelve years ago, the Republicans pushed hard for mandatory sentencing and for criminalizing a broad swath of sexual behaviors. The legislature, at the time Democratic by a thin majority, went along with it because they were painted as "anti-family" at election time if they didn't. So now we have a mandatory sentence levied on the seventeen-year-old; the legislature made sure that the governor CANNOT extend clemency; and it's even problematic whether the State Board of Pardons and Paroles can extend clemency. And, yes, the ex post facto provision prevents him from being exonerated under the new misdemeanor law.

It's crazy. About five or six years ago, the fifteen-year-old son of some friends of ours had sex with his fifteen-year-old girl friend, who got angry at him some time later and told her mom what they had been doing. She had the boy charged with statutory rape. The judge questioned the girl, who said she had more or less seduced him (and also added that he wasn't her first).

So the judge found them both guilty of statutory rape. They raped...each other.

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quote:
Originally posted by Artemis:
quote:
Originally posted by Bubby:
B. The consequences are harder on the girl if something goes wrong... pregnancy for instance and STDs are supposed to be more sevcere in the case of women.

The physical consequencs (in the case of pregnancy) may be worse, but rape is rape is rape. A woman who gets pregnant from her rape and a woman who doesn't have both suffered the same trauma.
Also, in the case of oral sex, I don't believe the risk of pregnancy is very high.

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Well, one thing that makes me feel better is that the kid convicted is indeed a rapist. From the article
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In a portion of a tape obtained by "Primetime," Wilson, then 17 and an honor student and star athlete who was homecoming king, is seen having intercourse with a 17-year-old girl, who was seen earlier on the bathroom floor. During the sex act, she appears to be sleepy or intoxicated but never asks Wilson to stop. Later on in the tape, she is seen being pulled off the bed

He does deserve to be jailed, just not for the oral sex with the 15 year old. It's a pity he wasn't convicted for the real crime.

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Originally posted by Ryda Wong, EBfCo.:
Well, one thing that makes me feel better is that the kid convicted is indeed a rapist. From the article
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In a portion of a tape obtained by "Primetime," Wilson, then 17 and an honor student and star athlete who was homecoming king, is seen having intercourse with a 17-year-old girl, who was seen earlier on the bathroom floor. During the sex act, she appears to be sleepy or intoxicated but never asks Wilson to stop. Later on in the tape, she is seen being pulled off the bed

He does deserve to be jailed, just not for the oral sex with the 15 year old. It's a pity he wasn't convicted for the real crime.

I think you might be rushing to judgement. You haven't seen the tape. The article says that he was initially charged with that rape (of the 17 year old) but then, after viewing the entire tape themselves, the jury ruled that there was sufficient evidence that it was consensual. Sure, the jury could be out to lunch in their interpretation of the tape, but I think seeing it ourselves would be a necessary prerequisite to second-guessing them, yes?

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quote:
Originally posted by callee:
quote:
Originally posted by Ryda Wong, EBfCo.:
Well, one thing that makes me feel better is that the kid convicted is indeed a rapist. From the article
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In a portion of a tape obtained by "Primetime," Wilson, then 17 and an honor student and star athlete who was homecoming king, is seen having intercourse with a 17-year-old girl, who was seen earlier on the bathroom floor. During the sex act, she appears to be sleepy or intoxicated but never asks Wilson to stop. Later on in the tape, she is seen being pulled off the bed

He does deserve to be jailed, just not for the oral sex with the 15 year old. It's a pity he wasn't convicted for the real crime.

I think you might be rushing to judgement. You haven't seen the tape. The article says that he was initially charged with that rape (of the 17 year old) but then, after viewing the entire tape themselves, the jury ruled that there was sufficient evidence that it was consensual. Sure, the jury could be out to lunch in their interpretation of the tape, but I think seeing it ourselves would be a necessary prerequisite to second-guessing them, yes?
If the description is valid, and the person is on the bathroom floor, seems intoxicated during sex, and then later has to be pulled off of the bed, then, yes, they are unable to give consent. Sorry, but I don't trust public opinion, judges, or the law on matters of what is and is not rape.

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If the description is valid, and the person is on the bathroom floor, seems intoxicated during sex, and then later has to be pulled off of the bed, then, yes, they are unable to give consent. Sorry, but I don't trust public opinion, judges, or the law on matters of what is and is not rape.

Note your appropriate use of if. You only know that description from the popular media. You say you do not trust judges or public opinion, but you will trust the popular media to get this right? It is starting to look like you are eager to see this guy as guilty, and will accept any supporting evidence as legit, even if it's as dubious as a quick description in the popular media. when it comes to throwing a person in jail or not, I think we should be more discriminating.

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I think I'd rather trust judges and the law over primetime when it comes to what is and is not in a tape that I haven't seen.

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Originally posted by callee:
You say you do not trust judges or public opinion, but you will trust the popular media to get this right?

Not the popular media, the DA.

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No, the DA is not a credible source in this instance, since it is infact their job to present one side, i.e. the prosecution. The DA will spin the tape as evidence of guilt, the Defence will spin it as evidence of innocence. Surely you would not accept the word of either as a balanced and objective view of the facts at hand, would you? If so, then you've literaly fallen to the level of saying "he must be guilty, the prosecution said so" which is really just "he must be guilt, because the man whose job it is to say that he is guilty said so" which is really just one step away from "he must be guilty, they arrested him, didn't they?"

Innocent until proven guilt by a jury of your peers is a cornerstone of our democracy and cannot be tossed aside just because we think the guy is a [terrorist, arab, rapist, etc., fill in the blank].

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Originally posted by callee:
No, the DA is not a credible source in this instance, since it is infact their job to present one side, i.e. the prosecution.

I disagree. Considering the difficulty in getting rapes prosecuted in the first place, and doubled with the fact that the woman reported the conduct as rape, I'd say the fact the DA decided to pursue is far more belivable than the Jury deciding not to convict.

Yes, we must follow due process of law. However, that doesn't mean that justice was done.

Despite the fact, I have amended my statment to say "apparently"

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Forgot, we have that new edit limit. So. It remains as such. However, I will tacitly amend to "apparently" he is a rapist.

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