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TallGeekyGirl
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A Virginia congressman will not apologize for writing that without immigration reform "there will be many more Muslims elected to office demanding the use of the Quran," his spokesman said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/20/lawmaker.koran/index.html

Makes me ashamed to be a Virginian... [flame]

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Goode used to be a Democrat, but he switched parties several years ago. To which I say, Goode riddance.

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Gydna
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What mystifies me is that there must already be some Jewish members, what do they swear on? This guy must be so isolated from reality that he has forgotten them plus any atheists or Protestant sects that refuse to swear oaths.

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Islamo-chow

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Dara bhur gCara
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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
Islamo-chow

I disagree, because that's a thread about a related subject, which has featured a sub-debate on the letter in question. This on the other hand is a thread about the letter itself.

I reject and, indeed, scorn your Chow, sir! Fie!

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Canuckistan
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Ah, but the link I provided -- Mr. Taf's specific post in said debate -- includes the same story linked to in the OP here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gydna:
What mystifies me is that there must already be some Jewish members, what do they swear on?

I don't know offhand. I do know that there is only one Jewish Republican in Congress, Eric Cantor, and he's also from Virginia. Another Virginia congressman, Jim Moran, got in some well-deserved hot water a few years ago for a stupid remark he made about Jewish views on the war in Iraq, and Cantor came down on him like a sledgehammer. It'll be interesting to see if he is equally hard on Goode. I kinda doubt it, though.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gydna:
What mystifies me is that there must already be some Jewish members, what do they swear on?

The Hebrew Scriptures.

I actually have a copy of the Hebrew Scriptures that belonged to my grandfather, who dabbled in Bible scholarship. It has a Star of David on the front and say "Holy Bible" on the spine.

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ULTRAGLORIA
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quote:
Originally posted by Gydna:
What mystifies me is that there must already be some Jewish members, what do they swear on? This guy must be so isolated from reality that he has forgotten them plus any atheists or Protestant sects that refuse to swear oaths.

They don't swear on anything. The oath is administered en masse right after they elect their speaker for a new session.

http://clerk.house.gov/members/memFAQ.html#oath

Individual members very often then have a photo op afterwards with their hand on their book-of-choice. But it's not part of the oath (or affirmation) itself.

Tempest in a bloody thimble.

Not to mention this relavent bit of the Constitution:

Article VI, clause 3
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Emphasis mine.

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Dara bhur gCara
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I think Virgil Goode is a brilliant name. Though to be in with a chance of winning the Buford T Justice Memorial Trophy For Stereotypically Southern Names he should really be utilising a middle initial.

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Daniceguy
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Sad, so sad. Virgil Goode used to by MY representative....

...back when I lived in Virginia

...back when he was a Democrat

...back before, apparently, he took one too many blows to the head!

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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
I scoff at thee, sir! I scoff in thy general direction!

I'm glad the kerfuffle is over.

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IIRC, it wasn't the shoe bomber's loud prayers that sparked the takedown by the other passengers; it was that he was trying to light his shoe on fire. Very, very different. Canuckistan

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quote:
A Virginia congressman will not apologize for writing that without immigration reform "there will be many more Muslims elected to office demanding the use of the Quran," his spokesman said.
quote:
CAIR officials noted that Ellison traces his family roots in the United States back to 1742.


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Silas Sparkhammer
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quote:
Originally posted by Dara bhur gCara:
I think Virgil Goode is a brilliant name. Though to be in with a chance of winning the Buford T Justice Memorial Trophy For Stereotypically Southern Names he should really be utilising a middle initial.

Aye, but the ones who REALLY had it down to an art form were the English Puritans, who could, with a straight face, christen a lad "Fly Fornication and Testify to the Wrath of the Lord Jones."

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Methuselah
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From Virgil Goode's letter:
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The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office." Thank you again for your email and thoughts.
Uh...shouldn't his response have been "because our consitutional freedom of religion allows me to be a Christian, and to display my beliefs within my office as I see fit"?

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quote:
Originally posted by Methuselah:
From Virgil Goode's letter:
quote:
The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office." Thank you again for your email and thoughts.
Uh...shouldn't his response have been "because our consitutional freedom of religion allows me to be a Christian, and to display my beliefs within my office as I see fit"?
Well, yes; to a rational, intelligent person who's not brimming with xenophobia and self-righteous anger. Which this guy clearly is not.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dara bhur gCara:
I think Virgil Goode is a brilliant name. Though to be in with a chance of winning the Buford T Justice Memorial Trophy For Stereotypically Southern Names he should really be utilising a middle initial.

Virgil B. Goode?
Go go
Go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go
Virgil B. Goode


Pogue

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quote:
Originally posted by Pogue Ma-humbug:

Go go
Go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go go go Virgil go
Go
Virgil B. Goode


Pogue

It just doesn't have the same pizazz when you consider that Goode is pronounced with an extremely long "oo" sound - not so much like the word "good", more like Goooooooooode.

Actually, it rhymes with "lewd", which I think is more appropriate.

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