quote:Origionally posted by Doug4.7 You can do what my family does. We don't watch network television.
Yes. I do realise that is an option Doug. I am hardly glued to the television now for that matter. I am expressing *my* opinion on this issue not demanding all kneel down before me and bend to my will. If I had that kind of power I wouldn't be wasting it on issues like this!
Sorry if I came across as snarky. I was actually agreeing with you (about getting tired of the potty language that is out there NOW). It was more of a "threat" against the networks since I am a demographic they should want (spend $$$ on all sorts of things...) watching their shows (and I don't).
That was my point too Doug. I guess we are both a little defensive on this issue! It is pretty tiring to be thrown in the with so-called "moral majority" on this. I think those who think that unfettered profanity is a Very Good Thing are going to end up having some otherwise excellent shows tank if the writers take this seriously. And of course those of us who object to the profanity, should we complain, will be likened to the idjuts who complained about Janet Jackson's nipple. Which means we probably won't complain - just stop watching.
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But there are a whole bunch of us in the middle of those two extremes, Christie.
Just as you are resentful of being lumped in with the "Moral Majority," so too, am I, resentful of being lumped in with those who think the airwaves should be a wasteland of "unfettered profanity."
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I don't think that the request for the FCC crackdown to be halted is exactly that simple.
The problem (summarizing from NPR) is that they have standards they are trying to enforce, but they can't let those standards be known, or else it amounts to government censorship.
This results in the networks second-guessing everything they do. If something is broadcast nationwide, every affiliate that carries it can get the penalty, making for incredibly large penalties for any sort of infraction.
I have real doubts that any significant change would happen as a result of lifting the ban. The difference is that we won't notice the blatant attempts at censorship.
I recall seeing Darkman on TV. While he's flipping out at the carnival, he yells "Take the f**kin' elephant!" while pushing a stuffed animal at someone. The censor changed it to "Take the fuzzy elephant!"
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: But there are a whole bunch of us in the middle of those two extremes, Christie.
Just as you are resentful of being lumped in with the "Moral Majority," so too, am I, resentful of being lumped in with those who think the airwaves should be a wasteland of "unfettered profanity."
I don't think my stance is an extreme one though. *That* is what gets my dander up! I am by no means suggesting that the strongest cuss word on TV be "good golly" - I am saying though that I don't want the S & F words being used on network television, on shows that I would otherwise have watched. If I am tuning into The Sopranos or the uncut Sex and the City when it was on HBO, I knew what I was getting, and that was fine. I don't want that changed either.
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: But there are a whole bunch of us in the middle of those two extremes, Christie.
Just as you are resentful of being lumped in with the "Moral Majority," so too, am I, resentful of being lumped in with those who think the airwaves should be a wasteland of "unfettered profanity."
I don't think my stance is an extreme one though.
By my reading, AnglRdr's post acknowledges that your position is not extreme, while pointing out that her own position is not extreme, either.
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The point has been made earlier by me and by others that there is little chance that the shows you know and love are going to change much, if at all, from the way they are currently. I can't remember who brought up the example of "Six Feet Under" being shown on Bravo. Since Bravo is a cable network, and thus, free from FCC "decency" rules, theoretically, it could air the show without any further censoring of it. But, because it knows its audience may not appreciate the many very adult themes of the show, Bravo does the wise thing and cuts most of those. I would anticipate about as much to come of this as came when married couples were allowed to lie down in the same bed.
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quote:Originally posted by Ms. Kringle: If anyone is going to censor what my kid watches, it should be me. Not the friggin' government, not the networks, not some stupid v-chip, but me. It's called PARENTING. And if more people employed this, well, I'll just stop there.
I would agree with you, with one possible exception. I would take the "V-chip" as a tool to use on my own to "censor" what I let my kids watch. At least I thought the idea behind the chip was that you can program it. If not, then I totally agree.
Having "foul language" on a crime drama is one thing. It can add to the "grittiness/realism" of the show. At the same time, it is not necessary to use the language to get the basic story across. I don't need a bunch of f-bombs to get the idea that the pimp dude is a bad mother(shut your mouth!). What I would like is a choice between the two extremes of letting my kids hear all the language or simply not watching a show.
A good example was the network presentation of the Matrix. That movie had a lot of "F-bombs" that when removed, didn't really change the movie much at all. It was fun for my kids to watch. Now the disco orgy scene in one of the later ones was NOT needed (in my opinion). That could be cut and almost nothing lost in the overall story.
So what I want is to get rid of the hidden censorship, but then allow parents to decide for their kids what is appropriate. A "V-chip" idea would be good because very few network descriptions of shows will say, "At time 11:23.36, character X will utter the f-word." It would be nice to just set it to, "No nudity, no f-word, no s-word, no severed heads, etc." and then let the kids watch. Obviously, if it is a crime show about prostitutes, I might want to reconsider the, "just let the kids watch" idea, even with a V-chip.
Of course, "Hollywood" objects to the idea of allowing us parents to censor their work. The current version of their policy is "take it or leave it", no middle ground. I would like some middle ground wiggle room.
ETA: With such a V-chip, you could watch a show with all the language and sex and violence you want while I can set the standards I want for my family. Others could set their levels somewhere in between. I think it is the only way to make MOST Americans happy. No one standard will work for everyone.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug4.7: [A good example was the network presentation of the Matrix. That movie had a lot of "F-bombs" that when removed, didn't really change the movie much at all. It was fun for my kids to watch. Now the disco orgy scene in one of the later ones was NOT needed (in my opinion). That could be cut and almost nothing lost in the overall story.
Sorry for the hi-jack but that "disco orgy" scene (it was from the 2nd Matrix movie) was a huge waste of time and not only could it be taken out with no loss to the story, it would actually be a benefit to the story. My friends and I call that scene "intermission" for people who are watching the entire series in one sitting to get up and use the bathroom without having to pause.
Come to think of it, most sex scenes could be taken out of movies with little to no impact on the overall story.
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quote:Originally posted by Ms. Kringle: If anyone is going to censor what my kid watches, it should be me. Not the friggin' government, not the networks, not some stupid v-chip, but me. It's called PARENTING. And if more people employed this, well, I'll just stop there.
I would agree with you, with one possible exception. I would take the "V-chip" as a tool to use on my own to "censor" what I let my kids watch. At least I thought the idea behind the chip was that you can
My understanding of the V-chip is that it "censors" shows based on the lettered ratings assigned to them, so the degree of flexibility it offers parents is very limited.
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quote:Originally posted by keokuk: Keifer Sutherland has said the same thing about 24. They've practically made "Damn it!" a catch phrase for Jack Bauer because it's all they can have him say, and it's just ridiculous given the context.
But is anyone saying, "if he doesn't start saying the f-word, I'm never watching again?" Because there are a lot of people who wouldn't be comfortable watching anymore if "Mother F***ers!" became his catchword.
It seems like producers stand to make less money, not more, by narrowing their audience by using excessive profanity.
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quote:Originally posted by Lainie: My understanding of the V-chip is that it "censors" shows based on the lettered ratings assigned to them, so the degree of flexibility it offers parents is very limited.
Then it is of little use. I would set the "ratings" different, depending on my kids' ages. Teens deserve a much different setting than toddlers. Too bad the system is not set up for that type of flexibility.
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quote:Originally posted by keokuk: Keifer Sutherland has said the same thing about 24. They've practically made "Damn it!" a catch phrase for Jack Bauer because it's all they can have him say, and it's just ridiculous given the context.
But is anyone saying, "if he doesn't start saying the f-word, I'm never watching again?" Because there are a lot of people who wouldn't be comfortable watching anymore if "Mother F***ers!" became his catchword.
It seems like producers stand to make less money, not more, by narrowing their audience by using excessive profanity.
I don't think that writers will instantly decide to litter the dialog with lots and lots of swearing just because they can, I'm only pointing out that they openly admit that the only reason "Damn it" is his catch phrase is because they're severely constricted by the FCC in terms of what swears they can use. They didn't intend for him to say the same thing over and over and over, but they had no other choice when a situation called for him to swear. The "damn its" would not instantly become f-bombs, but they would have a lot more leeway in making the character talk like an actual human being in dangerous situations.
I agree with your point on the market. More profanity will, probably, in the long run, lead to fewer viewers for a lot of shows. But that's an issue for the networks, advertisers, and producers to debate, not the state.
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quote:Originally posted by Lainie: My understanding of the V-chip is that it "censors" shows based on the lettered ratings assigned to them, so the degree of flexibility it offers parents is very limited.
Then it is of little use. I would set the "ratings" different, depending on my kids' ages. Teens deserve a much different setting than toddlers. Too bad the system is not set up for that type of flexibility.
The lettering system I mentioned is partially age-based. IIRC, it has three levels: okay for young viewers, okay for teens, mature viewers only.
Some cable and satellite systems offer blocking by channel or by program, with an override code. I suppose it would be possible to block certain programs that are unsuitable for younger children, and give teens access to the override code. But that's about as advanced as it gets.
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Then, there is the old-fashioned power button.
Sure, it's fallen out of favor, but I find it still works perfectly in our house when the parents decide that a show is not suitable for the children who reside in our house.
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When DD is on restriction, I've been known to take the remote controls with me when leaving the house. It is possible to use the TV without them, of course, but she doesn't know how.
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: Then, there is the old-fashioned power button.
Yea, we use that one a lot. I just wish there was more than just a binary choice for "inappropriate".
There are also the "channel up" and "channel down" buttons.
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: Then, there is the old-fashioned power button.
Yea, we use that one a lot. I just wish there was more than just a binary choice for "inappropriate".
There are also the "channel up" and "channel down" buttons.
*snicker*
I think between those three buttons things should be well in hand.
I guess I just don't get this lamenting by my fellow parents that they do not have the ability to control what their children watch on television. I get that not everything on television is appropriate to every audience, but, as one of the parents in my home, I, along with the other parent, exercise final authority on what the children get to watch.
I don't understand why it is so difficult.
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: Then, there is the old-fashioned power button.
Yea, we use that one a lot. I just wish there was more than just a binary choice for "inappropriate".
There are also the "channel up" and "channel down" buttons.
*snicker*
I think between those three buttons things should be well in hand.
I guess I just don't get this lamenting by my fellow parents that they do not have the ability to control what their children watch on television. I get that not everything on television is appropriate to every audience, but, as one of the parents in my home, I, along with the other parent, exercise final authority on what the children get to watch.
I don't understand why it is so difficult.
I agree. I think part of it, at least, is the attitude held by the woman in Georgia who wanted Harry Potter pulled from libraries. She said she had no problem keeping it from her kids, but she was doing it for those who had parents that wouldn't keep it from them. Basically she had to get the book pulled because others don't know who to parent. I wish she would mind her own business because she look ridiculous imho.
quote:Originally posted by keokuk: Keifer Sutherland has said the same thing about 24. They've practically made "Damn it!" a catch phrase for Jack Bauer because it's all they can have him say, and it's just ridiculous given the context.
But is anyone saying, "if he doesn't start saying the f-word, I'm never watching again?" Because there are a lot of people who wouldn't be comfortable watching anymore if "Mother F***ers!" became his catchword.
It seems like producers stand to make less money, not more, by narrowing their audience by using excessive profanity.
Actually, that's the biggest reason I refuse to watch 24. I only saw a few episodes but I just couldn't get over these supposed tough guys who do some really bad things but are always careful to watch their language. If you want to see what 24 could be, watch Sleeper Cell on Showtime.
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quote:Originally posted by Christie: [qb]I also don't appreciate being told that if I don't like it then I don't have to watch the show.
What, exactly, is wrong with that solution?
Put it this way. I have always watched Law & Order. I like it. The rules get changed and suddenly it's ok to use profanity. A show I have always enjoyed now becomes unwatcheable for me. Well too bad so sad for me I guess. But it doesn't mean I have to like that as a solution does it?
Look at the current situation though, a show I loved, Six Feet Under is on Bravo as I type this. As much as I love it, I cringe every time they censor it and it really ruins the flow of the show. A show I have always enjoyed is more of a joke to me now.
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My wife and I have the same problem with Sex in the City on WGN. The language changes and scene cuts just make the show look corny. We now have the whole series on dvd and are buying Six Feet Under for the same reason. It is just a joke on brovo. I'm not saying we should have a free for all on swear words on network tv but if used in the propper context I have no problem with the occasional swear word.
One more point, Even if networks are allowd to use certain wordes does not mean that we are going to start hearing them every two minutes. Just because they can do it does not mean they will.
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: Actually, that's the biggest reason I refuse to watch 24. I only saw a few episodes but I just couldn't get over these supposed tough guys who do some really bad things but are always careful to watch their language.
I've never found language of the sort a deterrent in watching a show. I've never found the lack of language of the sort to be a deterrent in watching a show. It's just not that big a deal with me.
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I find something more than a bit incongruous in some of the arguments presented here.
Let's use 24 as an example. People are generally okay watching muder, seeing the good guy torture people, dealing with acts of terrorism and attempted genocide - but will stop watching if Jack says soemthing harsher than "damn it"? I find that more than a bit absurd.
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Last night while trying to enjoy a nice family evening of watching that nice young man Jack Bauer break the bones in someone's hand, I was appalled to hear the man utter a bad word. Please take this garbage off the air so we can enjoy torture in peace."
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: Actually, that's the biggest reason I refuse to watch 24. I only saw a few episodes but I just couldn't get over these supposed tough guys who do some really bad things but are always careful to watch their language. If you want to see what 24 could be, watch Sleeper Cell on Showtime.
You know, I've always been so busy being incredulous that one man or family could go through so much in a mere 24 hours that I can't say I ever really stopped to think, "now wouldn't the f word been more appropriate there?"
quote:Originally posted by chillas: "Dear FTC,
Last night while trying to enjoy a nice family evening of watching that nice young man Jack Bauer break the bones in someone's hand, I was appalled to hear the man utter a bad word. Please take this garbage off the air so we can enjoy torture in peace."
It's interesting to me to watch a German music show channel we get here. You might see some pretty sexually explicit things in the middle of the day, but they edit out what I would consider to be very minor violence, like Pink breaking a bathroom mirror. I guess every culture has its taboos.
At the same time, when you watch TV, you know the violence and blood are fake. But nudity and profanity are real every time.
quote:Originally posted by keokuk: I agree with your point on the market. More profanity will, probably, in the long run, lead to fewer viewers for a lot of shows. But that's an issue for the networks, advertisers, and producers to debate, not the state.
I'm torn on this because I agree with you in theory. But in practice, since cable TV already has that freedom, would it really be so bad to keep network TV a little cleaner for family viewing?
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quote:Originally posted by Little Pink Pill: But in practice, since cable TV already has that freedom, would it really be so bad to keep network TV a little cleaner for family viewing?
Ah, but while cable has that freedom, they don't really exercise it.
And, while I think there should be some all-ages appropriate shows available on network television, I don't think that every show on every network channel has to be all-ages-appropriate all of the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: Actually, that's the biggest reason I refuse to watch 24. I only saw a few episodes but I just couldn't get over these supposed tough guys who do some really bad things but are always careful to watch their language. If you want to see what 24 could be, watch Sleeper Cell on Showtime.
You know, I've always been so busy being incredulous that one man or family could go through so much in a mere 24 hours that I can't say I ever really stopped to think, "now wouldn't the f word been more appropriate there?"
It's not that I have a strong desire to hear the F word, it's just that I know the reason it's not there is because someone I've never met has this narrow minded opinion on what is decent so we all have to suffer. The funny thing is if they did allow it it would mean so much less than it does now. Frankly, I find it offensive that a government agency is able to dictate what we can and can't see or hear on television.
Chillas had a good point. Who watches a show with things like torture, murder, rape, etc. and says "Well, ok as long as you don't swear these other things are fine"?
There was a sketch comedy show on HBO called Mr. Show that had a sketch about a movie called "Palies" (It was a Goodfellas parody). The thing is it was edited for network television. It was a very good depiction of how ridiculous cencorship is. If I can find the clip I'll post it. ETA: God bless youtubePosts: 835 | From: Massachusetts | Registered: Feb 2004
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quote:Originally posted by chillas: I find something more than a bit incongruous in some of the arguments presented here.
Let's use 24 as an example. People are generally okay watching muder, seeing the good guy torture people, dealing with acts of terrorism and attempted genocide - but will stop watching if Jack says soemthing harsher than "damn it"? I find that more than a bit absurd.
"I'll be the first person to download and patch my PC version of Grand Theft Auto. I want to shoot people in the face, bang prostitutes, traffic drugs, steal cars, and terrorize police officers without this filthy smut in my game."
Does anyone really think an episode of SVU that features a drug dealing pimp murdering hookers and spreading AIDS is appropriate for children, but will somehow be rendered offensive if someone says an S-word?
quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: It's not that I have a strong desire to hear the F word, it's just that I know the reason it's not there is because someone I've never met has this narrow minded opinion on what is decent so we all have to suffer.
I wasn't accusing you of being a profanity addict. I was remarking more on that strange phenomenon of suspended disbelief. Sometimes I find myself objecting to the oddest subtleties, while other more obvious impossibilities just slide past. Watching 24 and finding the language hard to believe is to me like watching a movie on dragons and being irritated that everyone has an American accent. Dragons, no problem, but isn't this supposed to be England???
quote:Chillas had a good point. Who watches a show with things like torture, murder, rape, etc. and says "Well, ok as long as you don't swear these other things are fine"?
I think it's all about make believe. We know the rape and torture isn't real, but the f-word is still the f-word. Language is an evocative thing, and when a word is registered as offensive in a listener's lexicon, it is going to stay that way whether the speaker is saying it in truth or 'just' as an actor. If a person normally offended by profanity is watching a tape of an actual murder, I would guess the naughty words being used by the killer wouldn't be the first thing they object to.
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quote:Originally posted by Amigone201: Does anyone really think an episode of SVU that features a drug dealing pimp murdering hookers and spreading AIDS is appropriate for children, but will somehow be rendered offensive if someone says an S-word?
You seem to be trying to apply that lovely sobriquet of hyprocrite on people who do not wish to have their television viewing "enhanced" by the addition of profanity. Why?
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quote:Originally posted by chillas: (snip) I find something more than a bit incongruous in some of the arguments presented here.
Let's use 24 as an example. People are generally okay watching muder, seeing the good guy torture people, dealing with acts of terrorism and attempted genocide - but will stop watching if Jack says soemthing harsher than "damn it"? I find that more than a bit absurd.
I remember seeing Starship Troopers on the big screen. Sitting in front of me was a father and his two kids, both of whom were twelve or under. After an hour or so of bloody dismemberment and evisceration, there's a co-ed shower scene. Needless to say, that's the point at which he got very vocal about the movie's inappropriateness for his wee ones. The sex-and-language double standard wil never cease to amaze me.
Personally, I grew up in a family that imposed a certain shame-based mentality on me to the extent that I virtually never cursed until I was well into high school. There came a point, though, when I understood that saying or hearing certain words (or seeing naked breasts on the movie or TV screen) was not going to cause any damage to my body or psyche.
This whole discussion strikes me largely as an American issue; as has been pointed out many, many times on the boards, the FCC is far more strict than comparable agencies around the world. Here in Canada, The Sopranos and The Osbournes aired on CTV, one of our national commercial networks, totally uncut. I think, though I'm not sure, that there is a "watershed hour" or whatever you call it. Years ago I watched the movie Die Hard on City-TV, and up until 9 PM the violence was uncut but the lanugage would be blanked out. After 9 PM, halfway through the movie, the whole thing was uncensored. Once and a while some overzealousness creeps through: a local channel here used to air E.R. at 6 in the evening on weknights, and the words "hell" and "damn" got blanked out. Though maybe they were using versions that NBC had cut for American syndication.
Anyway, I've rambled anecdotally long enough. Back to the OP, I hope the networks succeed in their petition (I'm not sure they will), I hope that Brent Bozell and his moralizing goons crawl back under a rock in defeat (fat chance), and I long for the day when people grow up enough to understand that a character saying the s-word in prime time won't cause the downfall of the republic (not NFBSKing likely).
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quote: I wasn't accusing you of being a profanity addict.
I didn't think you were. Although I do enjoy a good profanity laced comedy.
quote: I remember seeing Starship Troopers on the big screen. Sitting in front of me was a father and his two kids, both of whom were twelve or under. After an hour or so of bloody dismemberment and evisceration, there's a co-ed shower scene. Needless to say, that's the point at which he got very vocal about the movie's inappropriateness for his wee ones. The sex-and-language double standard wil never cease to amaze me.
When I was around 10 my mother taped Return of the Living Dead for me and my brother so she could edit out the "bad" parts herself. The only parts she edited were the nude scenes. I still tease her about that to this day. I tell her I have no problem watching someone die in a horrible way, as long as they're fully clothed.
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quote:Originally posted by Hubert Cumberdale: The only parts she edited were the nude scenes. I still tease her about that to this day. I tell her I have no problem watching someone die in a horrible way, as long as they're fully clothed.
[whine]Ok, is my point about nudity and profanity being real no matter what the context just not relevant enough to address?[/whine]
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quote:Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr: And, while I think there should be some all-ages appropriate shows available on network television, I don't think that every show on every network channel has to be all-ages-appropriate all of the time.
I would agree. I would just like something more than a binary choice (i.e., G or R).
Of course, the lack of shows that I would let my children watch (and that THEY would want to watch) is the reason we don't watch much TV.
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But Doug, there is more than a binary choice. There are ratings for All, for Teens, for Adults, and for Mature Audiences.
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those of us who object to the profanity, should we complain, will be likened to the idjuts who complained about Janet Jackson's nipple. Which means we probably won't complain - just stop watching.
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It's interesting to me to watch a German music show channel we get here. You might see some pretty sexually explicit things in the middle of the day, but they edit out what I would consider to be very minor violence, like Pink breaking a bathroom mirror. I guess every culture has its taboos. 
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