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Convinced that men are dodging church because it saps their masculinity, some evangelists invoke a tougher Jesus to get the rams back into the fold.
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tougher... more masculine... comes up complete intolerance for anything that isn't Christian.
Jeeeeeez...
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Good for you, you're no longer a doormat. Now you're a pushy, obnixious jerk. Much better.
Do these people not realize that they have other options than "doormat" or "caveman"?
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Read that article earlier today, and this was my favorite quote:
Eric Miller, a construction worker, admits his wife is none too pleased when he takes off, alone, on a weekend camping trip a few weeks after the GodMen conference this fall.
"She was a little bit leery of it, as we have an infant," he reports. "She said, 'I need your help around here.' "
Miller, 26, refuses to yield: "I am supposed to be the leader of the family."
He's pretty sure his wife will come around once she recognizes he's modeling his life after Jesus', like a good Christian should. It'll just take a little explaining, because the Jesus he has in mind is the guy on the wanted poster: "confrontational and sarcastic when he needed to be," Miller says, and determined to use "whatever means was necessary to achieve his goal."
So, if I understand this, he and his wife have an infant, he wants to go on a camping trip, and that trumps his need to assist with his own child! Yea. Christian. And not only that, but he's willing to use "any means necessary" to get his wife to shut up and bend over?!? Dude. I am so, so scared for the wives and children of these asshats.
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quote:He's pretty sure his wife will come around once she recognizes he's modeling his life after Jesus', like a good Christian should.
My copy of the New Testament apparently omits the parts describing how Jesus deserted those who needed Him most in order to attend to His own desires. I think it must be in Agenda 6:22.
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I sense an upturn in the Christian divorce rate on the horizon.
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quote:He's pretty sure his wife will come around once she recognizes he's modeling his life after Jesus', like a good Christian should.
My copy of the New Testament apparently omits the parts describing how Jesus deserted those who needed Him most in order to attend to His own desires. I think it must be in Agenda 6:22.
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Well, he did dis his mom once didn't he? And encourage one of his disciples to walk away from his ?brother's? funeral...
(not seriosuly arguing this is a WWJD solution, just envisioning these guys having a case of beers and reading John 2:4 over and over again, "Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.")
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This is sad. They're using Jesus as an excuse to behave in ways which I seriously doubt Jesus would have condoned.
I don't like alpha males much...
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quote:When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, "Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died."
When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. "Where have you laid him?" he asked.
"Come and see, Lord," they replied.
Jesus wept.
John 11:32-35
So it seems Jesus was empathetic with a weepy woman. Hmm...
quote:Soon afterward, Jesus went to a town called Nain, and his disciples and a large crowd went along with him. As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out—the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, "Don't cry."
Luke 7:11-13
So it wasn't the only time...
I could go on, but it would be fruitless, as it will not affect the appropriate audience. People need to stop appropriating Jesus as their reason for behaving badly. It's so irritating.
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A reading from the Gospel according to Wayne.
And as the disciples gathered about Him, He sat upon a tree stump and scratched Himself idly.
"This above all things, He said. "There is no greater good, and no other way unto My Father's kingdom, but to act like an adolescent lout."
Jesus belched.
"Lord," said Peter Simon, "Lord, when you said 'turn the other cheek,' You didn't really mean it, did You?"
And Jesus rolled His eyes and walked up to Peter Simon and rapped His knuckles quite sharply on Peter Simon's head in an ostensibly teasing and friendly but actualy hostile manner. "HELLO? IS ANYONE AT HOME?" asketh the Lord of Hosts. "Of COURSE I didn't mean it. That whole routine -- the turning the cheek, the celebration of the meek, the Democrat class warfare stuff -- that was all to bring in the chick demographic. It's OK to lie to them, you know. They aren't real people."
And the disciples applauded Him and hooted and pumped their fists and pounded each other on the back, and several farted for emphasis.
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quote:Originally posted by Avril: People need to stop appropriating Jesus as their reason for behaving badly. It's so irritating.
Can I have this for a sig line? It's ... well, exactly what these people need to hear.
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You know, I kept scrolling down trying to find the one REALLY stupid cake-topper to quote. Instead I found that everything that was said was equally sig-worthy material...so long as it was for a message board called www . im-a-big-dolt . com
*sigh*
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quote:Originally posted by Avril: People need to stop appropriating Jesus as their reason for behaving badly. It's so irritating.
Can I have this for a sig line? It's ... well, exactly what these people need to hear.
Be my guest. It's about time I said something sig line worthy.
Avril
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quote:Originally posted by Avril: Be my guest. It's about time I said something sig line worthy.
Excellent!
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quote:Stine's wife, Desiree, says she supports manly leadership; it seems to her the natural and God-ordained order of things. As she puts it: "When the rubber hits the bat, I want to know my husband will protect me."
Hmm. I prefer knowing that my husband-to-be and I will protect each other.
And what the bloody hell kind of metaphor is "when the rubber hits the bat," anyway?
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quote:Originally posted by Minstrel gone caroling: And what the bloody hell kind of metaphor is "when the rubber hits the bat," anyway?
Sounds like there's some interspecies erotica going on here.
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Ok, let me get this straight: A man proves he's the leader of his family by leaving his family to go camping with the guys. Someone explain to me how that is leading his family. Do good leaders abandon their followers?
I guess I just don't get this new Christian thing.
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The ridiculous amount of emphasis on machismo and being a real man mentioned among all these guys makes me think of a group of teenage boys. Teenage boys often affect a cartoonishly masculine facade because they're scared and insecure in the presence of the opposite sex. Most outgrow this stage, these guys clearly haven't.
Of course it's easy to make a "compensating for something" joke and don't think I'm above it. I'll resist temptation and keep said joke to myself but out of curiosity, has anyone ever actually been in a church where they had pink carpeting?
The funniest part for me was this bit:
quote:A workshop called "Training the Penis" encourages men to talk openly about temptation and bond with guys who share their struggles.
Now I can't stop picturing a bunch of guys looking down at their penises saying, "Sit. Stay. Roll over." Curse my filthy mind.
Guess it's another reason on a long list of reasons as to why I'm going to Hell.
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quote:Originally posted by Mouse: The ridiculous amount of emphasis on machismo and being a real man mentioned among all these guys makes me think of a group of teenage boys. ... Most outgrow this stage, these guys clearly haven't.
I agree! I actually said this to a friend, though I didn't post it, last night. I see it as an influence of the broader, secular culture, where you have things such as the "Man Show" and whatnot glorifying a prolonged adolescence.
quote:[O]ut of curiosity, has anyone ever actually been in a church where they had pink carpeting?
Not really, though I have seen plenty of "feminine" decor. The thing is, "feminine" is culturally defined. A few centuries ago, men went around in ruffles and lace with long hair or wigs.
I have not seen lace curtains, etc. But I did attend a church which had carpeting of a deep mauve which some might have called "pink," I guess, and quite a lot of big floral print loveseats in the foyers. The church I attend now is so neutral I really can't remember the color scheme, though I know gray is a heavy influence. There are large cloth panels that change with the liturgical seasons, though not to match liturgical colors, curiously enough, so what in "ordinary time" is yellow is red for Advent.
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Well, I was intrigued by the list of rules for real men, the first of which is "Women, learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down." And I found an online list that begins with that here: http://funny2.com/mensrules.htm, where they're represented as being jokes. Among the charmers therein: "Sometimes we are not thinking about you. Live with it," and "Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials." Yep, that's indicative of a loving Christian attitude toward your lifemate. And there's also "Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be," though I suppose a smart pastor might edit that one.
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Now.. coming back to Jesus and turning the other cheek. It makes me wonder now which cheek is mentioned. If you slap Jesus does he turn around and moon you?
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I'm seriously lamenting the fact they brought up John Eldredge and Wild at Heart. It is a book about being a "more manly Christian" but not in a "bring woman back to cave by hair, that is if you can be bothered with woman at all" kind of way.
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quote:Originally posted by Mistletoey Chloe: Well, I was intrigued by the list of rules for real men, the first of which is "Women, learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down." And I found an online list that begins with that here: http://funny2.com/mensrules.htm, where they're represented as being jokes. Among the charmers therein: "Sometimes we are not thinking about you. Live with it," and "Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials." Yep, that's indicative of a loving Christian attitude toward your lifemate. And there's also "Sunday = sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be," though I suppose a smart pastor might edit that one.
That was a list from Maxim about five or six years ago. Are pastors now taking their cue from Maxim?
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Fed: A reading from the Gospel according to Wayne.
Jesus belched.
And the disciples applauded Him and hooted and pumped their fists and pounded each other on the back, and several farted for emphasis.
This has got to be one of the funniest, but most realistic thing anyone's ever written about Jesus. I mean, you know He must have gas at some point in His life. And the Apostles farting!
I think you should make bumper stickers with the phrase "Jesus belched".
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quote:He's pretty sure his wife will come around once she recognizes he's modeling his life after Jesus', like a good Christian should.
My copy of the New Testament apparently omits the parts describing how Jesus deserted those who needed Him most in order to attend to His own desires. I think it must be in Agenda 6:22.
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It's in Matthew, actually.
quote:Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law — a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matthew 10:24-39
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Who in the world comes up with this stuff? The Bible says I can be an obnoxious SOB? Ooookaay.
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quote:Originally posted by DawnStorm: Who in the world comes up with this stuff? The Bible says I can be an obnoxious SOB? Ooookaay.
No, you're a woman. I think the chaps quoted in this article would agree that only men get to be obnoxious SOBs. (Except that they'd call it being a "Manly Christian" or something equally ridiculous. And I'm with you on the .)
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Reminds me of David Cross's bit on the Promise Keepers talking about the son who got an earring.
"If you're that worried about your dad going all f*cking right-wing, Christian, nutty, beating the shit out of your family nutty thing then f*cking take it [the earring] out!"
Yay! Macho Christian men (do they come with free meth?)! Down penis, down!
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quote:Originally posted by Finite Fourier Alchemy:
quote:Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law — a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matthew 10:24-39
Maybe it's my womanly weak hormones that keep my from properly interpreting these verses but I fail to see how this section justifies him ditching his wife for a camping trip.
Of course these people seem to believe that being a Christian gives you the right to be a complete and total douchebag.
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quote: A workshop called "Training the Penis" encourages men to talk openly about temptation and bond with guys who share their struggles.
So that's what Ted Haggard was doing. Training his penis to bond with guys who shared his struggle. Ahhhh, now I understand.
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