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Psihala
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Mary Cheney, 37, and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, 45, are expecting a baby in late spring, said Lea Anne McBride, a spokeswoman for the vice president.

"The vice president and Mrs. Cheney are looking forward with eager anticipation" to the arrival of their sixth grandchild, McBride said.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html

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Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as "unconscionable."

"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank. "They are encouraging people who don't have the advantages they have."

Only the 'advantaged' have fathers? Like fatherless families have never existed before gay partnerships?

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The "Concerned Women for America" (this is the first time I've actually seen a WOMAN speaking for them) can go play in traffic.

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Note the "Quick Vote" feature (as of this writing):

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What is your reaction to news that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is pregnant?

It's great 67% 8540 votes
It's wrong 33% 4266 votes

Why couldn't we have had this kind of turnout when those 27 states were banning same-sex marriage?

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quote:
Originally posted by Psihala:
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Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as "unconscionable."

"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank. "They are encouraging people who don't have the advantages they have."

Only the 'advantaged' have fathers? Like fatherless families have never existed before gay partnerships?

~Psihala
(*The mind boggles...)

"Concerned Women for America" has a think tank?

Perhaps they could start using it...

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Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, expressed empathy for the Cheney family but depicted the pregnancy as unwise.

"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," Earll said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

So they finally admit that two women can be in love. How magnanimous.

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I hardly consider Cheney's daughter and her partner to be a "celebrity couple". It's not like the rags follow them around all the time posting gossip news. This is no Britney and Kevin.

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What is your reaction to news that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is pregnant?

It's great 67% 8540 votes
It's wrong 33% 4266 votes

There's no "Who cares?" or "Why is it my business?" option?

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglsWeHvHrdOnHiRdr:
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Originally posted by Psihala:
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Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as "unconscionable."

"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank. "They are encouraging people who don't have the advantages they have."

Only the 'advantaged' have fathers? Like fatherless families have never existed before gay partnerships?

~Psihala
(*The mind boggles...)

"Concerned Women for America" has a think tank?

Perhaps they could start using it...

Nah, it just needs to be chlorinated, its obviously contaminated with stupidity and hatred.

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"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank.
Mary Cheney and her partner are celebrities now? They're so famous that I didn't know a) that she had a partner, or b) said partner's name, until today.

I mean, I know I'm always waiting with 'bated breath to get the post-Oscar edition of People, just to see what Mary Cheney wore on the red carpet, but I'm weird that way.

Oh sure, it's a nitpick, but I personally expect more precision from a "think tank".

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quote:
Originally posted by evilrabbit:
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What is your reaction to news that Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is pregnant?

It's great 67% 8540 votes
It's wrong 33% 4266 votes

There's no "Who cares?" or "Why is it my business?" option?
I think that is accomplished by simply not voting.

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The Concerned Women for America should recognize that the child will have caring and loving grandparents.

I wish them all the best.

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I didn't even know Mary Cheney's first name until now.
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I personally would rather have been raised by two mommies who wanted me so much they had to go out of their way to concieve me than by one mommy who loves me and a crappy daddy who never took an interest in anything but my report card.

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Originally posted by Pogue Ma-humbug:
The Concerned Women for America should recognize that the child will have caring and loving grandparents.

Are you sure Dick Cheney is capable of loving anything other than money? I'm not.

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I wonder if the words "It's a child not a choice" would be at all familiar to the "Concerned Women for America".
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Technically, there is a father somewhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amigone201:
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Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family, expressed empathy for the Cheney family but depicted the pregnancy as unwise.

"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," Earll said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

So they finally admit that two women can be in love. How magnanimous.
It is indeed truly astonishing that they would support the position that a child being raised by heterosexuals in a non-loving relationship is somehow better off than a child being raised in a loving home with parents in a stable relationship.

Who cares about love? This kid would be better off with that Ohio couple that kept their kids in cages. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Amigone201:
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"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," Earll said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."

So they finally admit that two women can be in love. How magnanimous.
Actually, it would appear that they are admitting that a same-sex couple can provide love to their child. Even more magnanimous!

As for her being a "celebrity," the only thing I know/knew about Ms. Cheny was that
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The Vice President's daughter is a {brief but definitely perceptible pause} l-lesbian.

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They aren't saying that a child would be better off with a non-loving heterosexual couple than a loving homosexual one.

They're saying that even a loving homosexual home won't give a child a father; and that having a father is vital for the child's wellbeing.

I don't agree with their position, but it isn't what some of you have been characterizing it as.

That said, there are thousands if not millions of Children in the US that don't have fathers present in their lives because of divorce. Far, far, FAR more than children being raised by homosexuals.

One would think it would be 'better' for a majority of children for Concerned Women for America to lobby to change the divorce and custody laws, forcing fathers to be active in their chidren's lives, than to worry first about the fraction of homosexual households with children.

I don't see them lobying for that at all.

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They aren't saying that a child would be better off with a non-loving heterosexual couple than a loving homosexual one.

They're saying that even a loving homosexual home won't give a child a father; and that having a father is vital for the child's wellbeing.

That's so much better. Instead of being bigots, they're just lying to us. [Roll Eyes]

This "think tank" makes my head hurt. Must be demon possession or something.

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No, Canukistan, they're still bigots. Just not quite such insane bigots.

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There are ways a child being raised by women can be given positive male influences in their lives (and, for that matter, ways a child being raised by men can be given positive female influences.) Family members and close friends can step in and fill those roles.

A loving and involved grandfather/grandmother, uncle/aunt, or honorary-or-otherwise godfather/godmother can make an enormous contribution to a child's life. You don't have to be a parent (the noun) to parent (the verb).

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quote:
Originally posted by ULTRAGUPPY:
No, Canuckistan, they're still bigots. Just not quite such insane bigots.

OTOH, they're also still lying to us, so they're bigots and liars.

You just know these people are a lot of fun around the punch bowl of any party. The life of it, they are.

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Originally posted by ULTRAGUPPY:
One would think it would be 'better' for a majority of children for Concerned Women for America to lobby to change the divorce and custody laws, forcing fathers to be active in their chidren's lives, than to worry first about the fraction of homosexual households with children.

Thank you, UltraGotha. You are absolutely correct IMO.

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Originally posted by Astra:
The "Concerned Women for America" (this is the first time I've actually seen a WOMAN speaking for them) can go play in traffic.

Shouldn't that be "Women Concerned for America"? Or not?

It just seems quite funny that it doesn't specify what they're concerned about - I can imagine them all running home from a flag parade saying "Did I leave the oven on? Did I leave the oven on?"

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boy, if you want to see mixed reaction about Mary Cheney's pregnancy, take a trip over to the Freerepublic message boards. I don't think they quite know how to deal with this over there.

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quote:
Originally posted by ULTRAGUPPY:
One would think it would be 'better' for a majority of children for Concerned Women for America to lobby to change the divorce and custody laws, forcing fathers to be active in their chidren's lives, than to worry first about the fraction of homosexual households with children.

I don't see them lobying for that at all.

I agree that their priorities are misplaced, but I question whether it's possible to "force" a father to be involved in his child's life in any meaningful way other than that of providing support.

And frankly, the less interaction DD has with her father, the better she seems to feel.

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Originally posted by Nonny Mouse:
There are ways a child being raised by women can be given positive male influences in their lives (and, for that matter, ways a child being raised by men can be given positive female influences.) Family members and close friends can step in and fill those roles.

A loving and involved grandfather/grandmother, uncle/aunt, or honorary-or-otherwise godfather/godmother can make an enormous contribution to a child's life. You don't have to be a parent (the noun) to parent (the verb).

Amen. I would add teachers and neighbors to that list. DD and I are fortunate enough to have several neighbors who are fantastic dads. IMO, just observing those men, even when they're not interacting directly with her, has taught her a lot about what a father can be. She also has had a couple of male UU religious education teachers who've made a big difference in her life.

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quote:
Originally posted by ULTRAGUPPY:
They aren't saying that a child would be better off with a non-loving heterosexual couple than a loving homosexual one.

They're saying that even a loving homosexual home won't give a child a father; and that having a father is vital for the child's wellbeing.

Based on the quotes provided, the position of CWfA is indeed that having a father (or having heterosexual parents) automatically trumps having lesbian parents.

The quote was
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"Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn't mean it's a good idea," Earll said. "Love can't replace a mother and a father."
That quote specifically states that a father, any father, is greater than love when it comes to a relationship between parents raising a child.

Now, I'm sure that many of the members of that group believe that children should be raised by parents who have a loving, stable relationship. But that is NOT what they are publicly advocating or stating.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I agree that their priorities are misplaced, but I question whether it's possible to "force" a father to be involved in his child's life in any meaningful way other than that of providing support.

I was pointing out their hypocracy. Not advocating legally forcing reluctant fathers (or mothers for that matter) to be more involved in their children's lives.

I think there needs to be some reforms of custody laws in some states to allow caring fathers to be more involved in their children's lives. But the idea of legal force leaves me cold.

But I think Concerned Women of America would be happy to force homosexuals to never raise children. Even though they aren't advocating forcing a father to be present in the lives of his children.

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Exactly, Legally forcing a parent to become involved with a child that they want no involvement in is akin to re-instituting the draft for the militarily. Unmotivated and unwilling people don't make good parents or soldiers.

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quote:
Originally posted by ULTRAGUPPY:

I think there needs to be some reforms of custody laws in some states to allow caring fathers to be more involved in their children's lives. But the idea of legal force leaves me cold.

I do agree, but I think, at least in some states, things are improving in this regard. Heck, my brother got full custody of his three daughters (around the ages of 7, 5, and 1), the house, two cars, and 60% of his wife's savings and earnings in his recent divorce. She gets em for one weekend a month and one two-week vacation per year. I know other men who got full or equal custody in divorce proceedings, if they actually wanted it.

And I think that's the key. It seems that if they fight for it, and were the primary caretaker or an equal caretaker, they have a chance of getting it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lainie:
I agree that their priorities are misplaced, but I question whether it's possible to "force" a father to be involved in his child's life in any meaningful way other than that of providing support.

And frankly, the less interaction DD has with her father, the better she seems to feel.

My father certainly couldn't be bothered to take part in my life.

In fact, after I turned 13, I preferred that. After he threatened to kill my mom, any time I spent with him probably would have resulted in serial broken noses for him. That's how intense my hatred for him was.

If a second mom would have loved me as much as my mom did, I would have considered myself exceptionally lucky. As is, I'd rather have gone through life with one good parent than a good parent and a deadbeat.

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Perhaps the man who contributed the sperm is going to be a part of the child's life.

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Originally posted by Ramblin' Dave, quietly making noise:
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Originally posted by Pogue Ma-humbug:
The Concerned Women for America should recognize that the child will have caring and loving grandparents.

Are you sure Dick Cheney is capable of loving anything other than money? I'm not.
Well, despite his politics, it does appear that he and his wife raised a thoughtful, confident and competent daughter. Perhaps CWA should share in the joy in the Cheneys' lives, instead of concentrating on the negative and sticking their noses in where they have no business.

Seriously, I would assume the CWA and Cheneys are on the same side on many poltiical issue, and thus are political friends. Is this how friends respond to such personal news?

Pogue

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Your family, your friends, the union, your wife.

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