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Grand Illusion
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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey is a Moorish Idol:
What makes me laugh is that the woman that would name her child a fruit that is widely portrayed as being the fruit of sin that Adam and Eve ate is saying this.

It is not known what kind of fruit that Adam and Eve were tempted with. However, a woman who would name a child after any fruit has IMHO questionable judgement. Actually, anyone who would consider Madonna to be a soulamte has questionable judgement.

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A hollow is a "small valley between mountains."

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hol·ler 2 (hŏl'ər) Pronunciation Key
adj. , v. & n. Chiefly Upper Southern U.S.
Variant of hollow.

One feature of Upper Southern English and specifically of Appalachian English is its pronunciation of the final unstressed syllable in words such as hollow, window, and potato as (ər). Holler, winder, and tater are merely variant pronunciations reflected in spelling. As a noun, holler has the specific meaning in the Appalachians of "a small valley between mountains": They live up in the holler underneath Big Bald Mountain.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holler

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quote:
Originally posted by bthyb:
Thanks, "I'll be buggered" is indeed what I meant.

[Eek!] [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Spam & Cookies-mmm:
A hollow is a "small valley between mountains."

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hol·ler 2 (hŏl'ər) Pronunciation Key
adj. , v. & n. Chiefly Upper Southern U.S.
Variant of hollow.

One feature of Upper Southern English and specifically of Appalachian English is its pronunciation of the final unstressed syllable in words such as hollow, window, and potato as (ər). Holler, winder, and tater are merely variant pronunciations reflected in spelling. As a noun, holler has the specific meaning in the Appalachians of "a small valley between mountains": They live up in the holler underneath Big Bald Mountain.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holler
Birdie with a yaller bill
Hopped upon my winder sill,
Blinked his shiny eye and said,
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I will only add that in my neck of the woods, people commonly refer to a place "down in the holler", never just "in the holler" or "over in the holler." I don't know if the comic strip is still extant, but "Snuffy Smith" used to reside in the little Ozark town of Hootin' Holler.

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Thanks, Brad. I couldn't remember where the town "Hootin' Holler" was. I was thinking maybe it was near Bugtussle.

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Bool. Sheet.

Having lived in both the US and the UK, the people I encounter on a daily basis are certainly no more civilized, polite and intelligent than those in America.

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quote:
Originally posted by bthyb:
quote:
Originally posted by Flowy Chloe:
In my experience, a certain proportion of Americans are unable to detect a difference between the Queen's accent, and that of Sid Vicious. At least, if their attempts at a British accent are anything to go by.

I can hear the difference, but bugger all if I can speak the difference. My British accent attempts sound like bad imitations of my British friend, who's middle class from London area (which is probably not enough information), and Steve Jones who has a radio show here. Actually, I don't really try the Steve Jones, unless he's said something funny.

Please excuse my use of bugger all if I did so incorrectly. [Big Grin]

I'm right with you, bthyb. All my Brit accent details come from The Office and Monty Python...and I do them poorly, so it heightens the rubbish factor! I did have someone ask if I was a British ex-pat once because I say "yeah?" all the time. I wasn't really aware that was a British linguistical trait. I think it was a polite way of telling me I was annoying. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Silken Ray:
Bool. Sheet.

Having lived in both the US and the UK, the people I encounter on a daily basis are certainly no more civilized, polite and intelligent than those in America.

You shouldn't use the London picnic as representative. Just because the rest of them let the side down, it doesn't mean that the average intelligence and level of civilization in the UK isn't better than that...
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quote:
Originally posted by Filet o' Spamamander:
-Sheepish expression- If, for example, Sean Connery called me on the phone I wouldn't need him to sound intelligent... he could read me the names from the phone book and... well, I won't go there. [Big Grin]

Replace Sean Connery with, wait for it, Liam Neeson, and I totally agree.

I think it would be fun to listen to Dara talk. It is certainly fun to read what he says.

And Chloe has a very charming accent as well.

ETA: I also wish to inform the aforementioned Dara that his PM box is full. How can your admiring fans communicate with things in that state?

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But really, it all boils down to this: Do people in Britain prefer dining with Gwyneth Paltrow?
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard W:
quote:
Originally posted by Silken Ray:
Bool. Sheet.

Having lived in both the US and the UK, the people I encounter on a daily basis are certainly no more civilized, polite and intelligent than those in America.

You shouldn't use the London picnic as representative. Just because the rest of them let the side down, it doesn't mean that the average intelligence and level of civilization in the UK isn't better than that...
If you exclude the below average, then everyone in the US is above average. [Razz]

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1. Most Americans have never heard of deportment, much less know how to execute it properly.
Thats because they're called manners here, instead. And Gwyneth lacks them. Even before these comments, I've never gotten the impression that she's the best person to be evaluating the intelligence of others, either.
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quote:
Originally posted by TurquoiseGirl:
I think it would be fun to listen to Dara talk.

If you ever meet him, you will certainly get that opportunity.

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quote:
Originally posted by TurquoiseGirl:
quote:
Originally posted by Filet o' Spamamander:
-Sheepish expression- If, for example, Sean Connery called me on the phone I wouldn't need him to sound intelligent... he could read me the names from the phone book and... well, I won't go there. [Big Grin]

Replace Sean Connery with, wait for it, Liam Neeson, and I totally agree.

I think it would be fun to listen to Dara talk. It is certainly fun to read what he says.

And Chloe has a very charming accent as well.

ETA: I also wish to inform the aforementioned Dara that his PM box is full. How can your admiring fans communicate with things in that state?

The PM Box is dealt with, my dear. But if you want to get an idea of how I speak, just imagine Father Dougal going on about the IRA and the oppression of the Brits all the time.

Essentially the same, so it is.

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I can't do any British accents either. My Irish winds up soudning Welsh and my Welsh Swedish or something.

I managed to just about cultivate a New Jersey accent after a week there. Enough so that people wouldn't instantly laugh at me like we did at their attempts at British accents.

For added fun, get someone to pronounce the word "Loughborough".

I can absolutely vouch that British people are not smarter or better conversationists than those in the US. The median is set roughly the same. British might be slightly better at foreign languages, but we're both still terrible. Indeed I have a theory. Your view of Brits comes from the media which always portrays us as rich, aristocratic snobs (see list of US TV shows here). Conversely, we get all your films, music and TV which leads us to think of Americans as much from Cops as anything else. Hence, even though I sound like a middle class kid desperately trying not to sound middle class, I apparantly sound "all sophisticated" to a US ear. [Confused]

Then again, Dylan Moran claimed it was simple. American stupid people sound so much more stupid than stupid people from other countries. Take what you will.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grand Illusion:
It is not known what kind of fruit that Adam and Eve were tempted with.

Mark Twain has asserted that it was not a watermelon.
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quote:
Originally posted by Finding Rebochan:
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I love the English lifestyle, it's not as capitalistic as America. People don't talk about work and money, they talk about interesting things at dinner.
Yea, because nobody in England has a job or anything. Because they're too busy spending all day coming up with things to say to Gwyneth Paltrow.

To be fair though don't you imagine that most strangers who are about to dine with a "famous person" would be trying to come up with things to say? If she's noticed a difference in conversation on either side of the Atlantic I would expect she's taken that into consideration.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grand Illusion:
However, a woman who would name a child after any fruit has IMHO questionable judgement.

Questionable taste, perhaps. "Questionable jdugment" seems like a bit of a reach.

But then, I don't see what the big deal is; I've known at least one woman named Cherry (pronounced like the fruit), and many women named after flowers, plants or gemstones (Fern, Iris, Rose, Leafy, Pearl, Beryl).

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Actually, anyone who would consider Madonna to be a soulamte has questionable judgement.
On that, we're in agreement. [Smile]

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My great aunts from one side, all six of them, were named after flowers. May, Ivy and Purple Rose are the only ones I can remember. Bear in mind this was the early 20th Century.

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Hmm, my earlier post disappeared. No idea where its gone, hope its not out in the cold all alone.

Basically it was just me complaining that my accent made my sound like an arrogant conceited prat. It a weird generic 'posh-ish' sounding southern English accent. I'm not too fond of it, although it appears to have become slightly less pronounced in recent years. (Although sadly I'm still lacking any hints of 'Scottish' in my accent, partly because so if 50% of Edinburgh)

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Meanwhile, in the Martin-Paltrow household, the smart talk bids the long winter evenings a fond au revoir.

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Hmm.. well,I don't per say think one entire nationality is cvilized and intelligent than any other. Every Nation has people who are considered intelligent and people are considered dumb.It depends on the individual.

Anywho, I do love british folks: Saca Baron Cohen, David Bowie, Rik Mayall, Monty python, the list goes on..

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quote:
Originally posted by Archie2K:
I managed to just about cultivate a New Jersey accent after a week there. Enough so that people wouldn't instantly laugh at me like we did at their attempts at British accents.

*raises eyebrows*

You don't use that oh-so-stereotypical accent where you tawk awn da phone, do you? [Wink] 'Cause, you know, we don't awl tawk like dat. [Wink]

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quote:
Originally posted by JFB:
But really, it all boils down to this: Do people in Britain prefer dining with Gwyneth Paltrow?

No, but they are too polite to tell her to piss off.

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I'd love to be able to fake a Cockney accent. As it stands, when I talk it sounds like the words got stoned and began stumbling in to each other in their haste to escape from my mouth.

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I remember seeing Gwyneth hosting SNL. She was speaking with a British accent pretending she was English. Ben Affleck is in the audience and stands up to correct her, saying she was born in LA. She starts arguing with him.

It was pretty funny then, but is funnier now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard W:
quote:
Originally posted by Silken Ray:
Bool. Sheet.

Having lived in both the US and the UK, the people I encounter on a daily basis are certainly no more civilized, polite and intelligent than those in America.

You shouldn't use the London picnic as representative. Just because the rest of them let the side down, it doesn't mean that the average intelligence and level of civilization in the UK isn't better than that...
You guys were lovely. I just hope I didn't leave too unfavourable (see, I'm even spelling it Brit-style) an impression of the American people.

I've met some profoundly intelligent British people and some profoundly intelligent American people. I've also met bigoted, rude, vapid dullards on both sides of the Atlantic. The topics of conversation with normal, average, people-you-meet-in-a-pub in my experience are strikingly similar. Men talk primarily about sport, sex, television and drinking. Women talk primarily about clothes, makeup, sex, and drinking.

And I assure you that there's a sizable minority of Brits who likely haven't heard of "deportment" other than as what they want to happen to all the nfbsking asylum seekers.

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quote:
JamesG said:
Although sadly I'm still lacking any hints of 'Scottish' in my accent, partly because so if 50% of Edinburgh

Stick around long enough, get a job, wander out of the university area...

I have to admit that what exists of my Scottish accent developed in Edinburgh (where I only lived 1991 - 1995) and has been lovingly maintained ever since by Mr Embra (you can take the boy out of Livingston etc.) and the makers of Glenmorangie.

I am usually appalled to hear just how posh I sound on my answering machine message at work.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cold DecEmbra Brings The Sleet:
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JamesG said:
Although sadly I'm still lacking any hints of 'Scottish' in my accent, partly because so if 50% of Edinburgh

Stick around long enough, get a job, wander out of the university area...
Well I'm going to be here for another three years, and both live and work outside of the university area (My lab is tied to one of the Hospitals) so there is hope for me yet. I'm highly unlikely to stay much longer though, as once my PhD is finished I shall be onto a postdoc (Hopefully) and its customary to move arround.

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quote:
Originally posted by Damian:
I remember seeing Gwyneth hosting SNL. She was speaking with a British accent pretending she was English. Ben Affleck is in the audience and stands up to correct her, saying she was born in LA. She starts arguing with him.

It was pretty funny then, but is funnier now.

Thanks for reminding me! You're right, this definitely enhances the humor.

If anyone's interested, they can find a transcript here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mickey is a Moorish Idol:
(by the way, can anyone tell me what a "hollow", often pronounced as a "holler", is?).

Sure!

A "haller" is a narrow valley between mountain ridges. They are all over the place here in western Virginia. They are even more prevalent in West Virginia, the south-western "toe" of Virginia, and north-eastern Tennessee.

[Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by Wild Card:
quote:
Originally posted by Damian:
I remember seeing Gwyneth hosting SNL. She was speaking with a British accent pretending she was English. Ben Affleck is in the audience and stands up to correct her, saying she was born in LA. She starts arguing with him.

It was pretty funny then, but is funnier now.

Thanks for reminding me! You're right, this definitely enhances the humor.

If anyone's interested, they can find a transcript here.

According to then link upthread though, she did not say what was initially reported.

Is this going to end up being a UL on the main board one day I wonder?

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Originally posted by Flowy Chloe:
In my experience, a certain proportion of Americans are unable to detect a difference between the Queen's accent, and that of Sid Vicious. At least, if their attempts at a British accent are anything to go by.

I used to be like that. I never considered the fact that England had a range of accents, like the U.S. did. Then I started dating a British ex-patriate, and began to pick up on the subtle differences. We're married now, and he works for a company with a lot of international employees, so he hangs out with many of the other Brits at the company (some are in the U.S. temporarily, and some have moved there). After listening to his friends talk, I began to notice the regional differences.

Usually when people hear my husband speak they will ask if he is from England, but a few times people have asked if he is from Australia (or once, New Zealand). But the funniest was last week when we were grocery shopping. After he paid the clerk handed him the receipt and asked, "So are you from New Jersey?" She did not appear to be joking. The two of us just looked at each other and he said with a smile, "No, London actually."

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Originally posted by Mickey is a Moorish Idol:
What makes me laugh is that the woman that would name her child a fruit that is widely portrayed as being the fruit of sin that Adam and Eve ate is saying this.

Not getting the connection at all, sorry.

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