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Elphaba Fabala Elphie Fae
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UCF seems to be a hot spot for these beyond fundamentalist preachers. We get them on a regular basis, but this one takes the cake:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2swEcsZTxPc

the stuff in that video is pretty tame by comparison to the hatred he was spewing today.

Honestly. Who does he think he's saving with this hellfire and damnation approach?

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I don't know if they believe they're saving someone, or simply proving to the Lord how mighty faithful they are.

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Hey, those people used to hang out at USF. I guess they finally got banned off campus or no longer getting a reaction. Usually they would turn up at the beginning of the semester and get a crowd to debate them, but within 2 weeks everybody was ignoring them. I figured that they just went to a different part of campus.
It took me 8 years to get my degree and they were there for at least 5 of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by NZUL:
I don't know if they believe they're saving someone, or simply proving to the Lord how mighty faithful they are.

Probably the latter; amazing how they ignore Matthew when it disagrees with them.
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CCPs (Crazy Campus Preachers) have been an entertainment staple for Florida university campuses for many years. Did this one try to walk across the reflecting pool? [Smile]
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I remember at the University of Kentucky in the mid 1980s we had "the Rev. Jed Smock and Sister Susie," who also appeared at the University of Arkansas/Fayetteville a few years later. I wonder if this is the same person?

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I missed out in university! My school never allowed CCPs to pedal their cheesy wares. They were booted out very quickly.

The only ones we had preaching at us were the pCm student groups. And they only did that once a year.

I feel so deprived!

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quote:
Originally posted by Elkhound:
I remember at the University of Kentucky in the mid 1980s we had "the Rev. Jed Smock and Sister Susie," who also appeared at the University of Arkansas/Fayetteville a few years later. I wonder if this is the same person?

Could be. Smock's "ministry" is still active. IIRC, he eventually married Sister Whoever (Susie doesn't sound quite right to me, but I could be wrong) and they have some kids who are following them into the "ministry." They have a website, but I'm not about to Google for it.

When I was at Ohio University in the early 1980s, there was a story, perhaps apocryphal, that a bunch of guys had picked him up and tossed him into the (shallow, but muddy) Hocking River when they tired of his nasty comments about their female friends and acquaintances.

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I wish there were more like one that would show up at the University of South Alabama when I was there. He would set up in the ampitheature outside the student union (I'm sorry, I'm gonna call it that forever [inside comment]) and put up a music stand with a bible or other inspirational literature. He would then begin to read or speak in a normal voice that you could listen too if you were interested, but if you were like me and was simply reading between classes, you could easily tune him out.

On the other hand, we seem to be finally rid of the Crazy Preacher Man who used to hang out in downtown Mobile driving people nuts.

quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
I feel so deprived!

I thought that was depraved... [fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by Donovan Ravenhull:
quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
I feel so deprived!

I thought that was depraved... [fish]
No, that's later tonight. [Eek!]

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Strangely, they just ran an article in our school newspaper about how limited free speech is. Complete with numerous images of campus demonstrations, and only one issue after giving this nutbar a front page cover.

Yep, no speech whatsoever!

As a fellow UCF student (Hey Elphaba=D), this guy isn't even the first. When I was a freshman in 2002, this fellow by the name of Jeremiah Baldwin used to hang around with a big scene chained to a tree that read "You make me sick" and included things like "Fags" and "N*****".

Strangely, I've yet to see a Phelps come around. I feel like I've missed something without a good ol' fashioned Westboro Baptist rally.

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quote:
Originally posted by RLobinske:
CCPs (Crazy Campus Preachers) have been an entertainment staple for Florida university campuses for many years. Did this one try to walk across the reflecting pool? [Smile]

They were quite common at Oklahoma also. Some would engage them, most of us would simply ignore them. I remember we had this one with his kids that spouted the same hate message. That got a bit disturbing.

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"It's not Evolution, it's Evil-ution!"

I'm stealing that for something. Thanks crazy preacher lady!

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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
I missed out in university! My school never allowed CCPs to pedal their cheesy wares. They were booted out very quickly.

Down here we have a little thing called 'freedom of speech.' As long as he doesn't impede traffic, or incite violence, or advocate something illegal, he has as much right to spout his views--however moronic--as anyone else. (Now, if he were on the campus of a private college or university, that would be another matter; but these types seem to gravitate to state schools, presumably because these 'secular' schools' students need "saving" more than those at private schools, which are usually church-affiliated.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Elkhound:
Down here we have a little thing called 'freedom of speech.'

[Roll Eyes]

Can the condescension, please. The rules are different here. Campuses are generally considered private inasmuch as the schools can set the rules as to what happens inside the boundaries of the school. (Of course, the streets that run through the campus are another story, but most of my university didn't have any public roads running through it, as it was in an isolated part of Toronto.)

We do have freedom of speech here. That it's not to your liking isn't my concern.

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As long as he doesn't impede traffic, or incite violence, or advocate something illegal, he has as much right to spout his views--however moronic--as anyone else.
The rule at most Canadian universities is that any student can do such within those rules; any outsider needs the permission of the school. My school didn't allow religious proselytizers who weren't students. Seems reasonable to me. Do it on the street outside.

Anyone trying to convert inside a government office building would probably be kicked out; I fail to see how this is any different.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug4.7:
quote:
Originally posted by RLobinske:
CCPs (Crazy Campus Preachers) have been an entertainment staple for Florida university campuses for many years. Did this one try to walk across the reflecting pool? [Smile]

They were quite common at Oklahoma also. Some would engage them, most of us would simply ignore them. I remember we had this one with his kids that spouted the same hate message. That got a bit disturbing.
Yeah, sometimes they could get disturbing, but mostly, they were so over the top, they were entertaining. When I was a grad student at UF, students would grab lunch at the Hare Krishna stand (vegetarian only and donations accepted) on the Plaza of the Americas and then sit on the grass to watch the show. With our without audience participation.
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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
quote:
Originally posted by Elkhound:
Down here we have a little thing called 'freedom of speech.'

[Roll Eyes]

Can the condescension, please.

Seconded, complete with [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Doug4.7:
quote:
Originally posted by RLobinske:
CCPs (Crazy Campus Preachers) have been an entertainment staple for Florida university campuses for many years. Did this one try to walk across the reflecting pool? [Smile]

They were quite common at Oklahoma also. Some would engage them, most of us would simply ignore them. I remember we had this one with his kids that spouted the same hate message. That got a bit disturbing.
Yes, the one who came to OU with his children was always fodder for plenty of letters to the editor of the Oklahoma Daily. It was truly disturbing.

The urban legend around campus was that these people were attempting to get themselves assaulted so that they could sue. That's actually something we might address here--so here is the story, as I understand it:

I don't remember the guy's name, but there was one who would come about once a year, stand on the steps of Dale Hall (where many huge gen. ed. freshman level courses were; quite a busy building, and one had to walk past it to get to just about anything else if one lived on campus), and shout out that we were all going to hell because we were in a state school, and that various women were inciting lust by wearing, among other things, short sleeves (nothing truly provocative). Apparently, he had been attacked at the University of Colorado or some other such school(s) and had sued for tons of money and won; he thus just went around hoping to get beat up so he could sue the perpetrators and/or the university.

Snopesters, attack! With facts, though, of course...

Avril

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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:


We do have freedom of speech here. That it's not to your liking isn't my concern.[/QB]

Freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything that offends people or that the Powers that Be disapprove of? Some freedom.

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quote:
Originally posted by Avril:
Snopesters, attack! With facts, though, of course...

Or with the following:

"Your cute when you're preaching. Come here, holy man! Let me covet your ass!"

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quote:
Originally posted by Elkhound:
Freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything that offends people or that the Powers that Be disapprove of? Some freedom.

Oh, give it a rest. Really.

Do you honestly think you wouldn't be hauled out by security if you tried to preach inside a DMV office? This is no different.

And note that this only applies to outsiders; students are free to preach as they see fit, so long as they're not violent, or disrupting classes, or any of the regular caveats.

Your hyperbole is tiresome.

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quote:
Originally posted by Finding Rebochan:
"It's not Evolution, it's Evil-ution!"

I'm stealing that for something. Thanks crazy preacher lady!

Personally, I like "anus up your rectum" the best.

And "He was wearing earrings!!!!!1111"

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Anybody here ever hear of a Tom Short? He was the Campus Preacher back in my UMD days(80s), but once the weather turned cold, he took off, presumably for warner climes.
Two incidents stick out in my mind concerning him:
1. Warm spell in April--we're talking shorts weather here. I happen to walk by steps where's he's preaching and as I do I hear CP say: 'now that the weather's warm, some of the women are scantily dressed!' (or words to that effect). Couldn't be me could it?! [Eek!] I was clad in shorts and a t-shirt--yeah that's hot. [Roll Eyes]
2. I had just come out of the undergrad library when I heard CP talking about his sex life:
'I have a good sex life!'
Student: 'hey, Tom ya ever climax?' [Eek!] [Eek!]
No answer from CP

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Evangelistic waffles.

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quote:
Originally posted by RLobinske:
Yeah, sometimes they could get disturbing, but mostly, they were so over the top, they were entertaining. When I was a grad student at UF, students would grab lunch at the Hare Krishna stand (vegetarian only and donations accepted) on the Plaza of the Americas and then sit on the grass to watch the show. With our without audience participation.

This semester we've been consistently hassled by a preacher who hangs out in front of Turlington and Plaza of the Americas, telling everyone they're going to hell. I've yet to personally encounter him, but apparently he yells and hollers at people and refuses to accept other viewpoints. It only makes the quiet, passive Krishnas more respected on campus. I think he got driven away due to a lot of nasty press in the school paper, because the last few times I've had Krishna lunch, no one was preaching.

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Well, to satisfy the curiosity I expressed earlier in this thread, I went looking and found at least some evidence of a student assaulting one such preacher, in this letter to the editor regarding an incident at the University of New Mexico.

The preacher in question, Matt Bourgault, has a few assault citations on his own record, it seems. This article deals with an incident at Southern Oregon University.
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Officer Hull moved in to dissuade one vocal bystander from provoking Bourgault. Hull said Bourgault intended to induce people to fight him.
Another article on the same incident says that he has successfully pressed charges against universities for limiting his free speech. It includes these details on his desire to be attacked:
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However, said Smith, the event brought another lesson — learning that Bourgault "has his own agenda and travels around the country, using the gospel to incite people to violate his free speech or assault him. He makes his living off it and he's been to our campus many times."

Bourgault in 2004 sued SOU after being kicked off campus for violating "verbal harassment" and "creating an unreasonable atmosphere" clauses of SOU's Open Forum free speech policy.

He won $500 in damages and SOU was ordered by the court not to enforce those clauses again because they are too vague.



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We used to have fire-and-brimstone preachers at my school. I haven't seen them around this year. They always made me horribly uncomfortable.

I did (politely) confront a lady once after getting an offensive tract. Took a Bible along and showed her verses which directly contradicted what their tracts said. I finally left when she asked what church I attend and, upon learning that I'm Lutheran, started trying to get me to convert to Christianity. (?!) Arguing with her was like fighting the Tar-Baby.

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The original UNM incident. Seems there is some question whether or not he started it...

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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
quote:
Originally posted by Elkhound:
Down here we have a little thing called 'freedom of speech.'

[Roll Eyes]

Can the condescension, please. The rules are different here. Campuses are generally considered private inasmuch as the schools can set the rules as to what happens inside the boundaries of the school. (Of course, the streets that run through the campus are another story, but most of my university didn't have any public roads running through it, as it was in an isolated part of Toronto.)

We do have freedom of speech here. That it's not to your liking isn't my concern.

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As long as he doesn't impede traffic, or incite violence, or advocate something illegal, he has as much right to spout his views--however moronic--as anyone else.
The rule at most Canadian universities is that any student can do such within those rules; any outsider needs the permission of the school. My school didn't allow religious proselytizers who weren't students. Seems reasonable to me. Do it on the street outside.

Anyone trying to convert inside a government office building would probably be kicked out; I fail to see how this is any different.

My University was so open-minded I'm surprised some people could keep their brains inside their skulls*. We had a fair number of religious crazies, non-religious crazies, and anti-religiuos crazies. Non-student groups could speak on campus with the proper permission. I never paid too much attention to who was running the lastest debate-of-the-week, but we had a fair number of events for both sides.

*We had two school newspapers: the liberal one, and the crazy left-wing one for people who didn't think the liberal paper was lefty enough. I think every year I was there, the regular paper published at least one letter telling us that commerce was inherently evil and we should all stop using money. There were politico-social debates in graffiti in bathroom stalls.

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quote:
Originally posted by Finding Rebochan:
As a fellow UCF student (Hey Elphaba=D), this guy isn't even the first. When I was a freshman in 2002, this fellow by the name of Jeremiah Baldwin used to hang around with a big scene chained to a tree that read "You make me sick" and included things like "Fags" and "N*****".

He was hanging around campus my freshman year (2004) as well. Apparently heaven is going to be a very empty place, if these two are right with their assumptions as to who is damned to hell. (I'm damned on multiple accounts, apparently.)

What you don't get from this video is how sexist he is. Good ol' Brother Micah here is very much of the opinion that women belong in the kitchen, cooking their man his daily steak or something. I watched him for about 10 minutes the other day, and he mentioned an incident in which he did the dishes for his wife one night because she was sick. He said it made her so happy that "Maybe one day I'll do the dishes for her again even when she ISN'T sick!" Wow, real prince charming, this one...

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Brother Jed Smock's website

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I was an undergrad at Clemson University in SC and remember some insane fellow and his wife (?) who came by once a year to yell at the fornicators (all of us) in the old student union.

The campus police would allow him and his equally vitriolic wife to preach until it appeared violence was imminent. This usually took an hour or two.

Interestingly, it was the devout Christians who became physically threatening to the CCPs first. I clearly recall a born-again march within a foot of the CCP's wife, with his arms out to mimic a cross, and screaming over and over again "What does this mean to you!?"

I felt bad for the Christians in the audience, who likely viewed the CCP and company as defiling their God in ways no Satan-worshipper ever could.

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Freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything that offends people or that the Powers that Be disapprove of? Some freedom.

Oh, give it a rest. Really.

Do you honestly think you wouldn't be hauled out by security if you tried to preach inside a DMV office? This is no different.

It is very different. If a person tried this inside the academic or administrative or residential buildings of a US public university, s/he too would be 'hauled out by security.' But the grounds are public space, as much as a city park. Freedom of speech applies to idiots and jerks as much as to sensible people here.

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Heh, I commented on how the guy in the red shirt the looney was talking to was seen to be "gay from ten miles away" and he actually messaged me on YouTube. [Embarrassed] I don't think he was offended though.

"Anus up your rectum" [lol]

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Originally posted by Elkhound:
I remember at the University of Kentucky in the mid 1980s we had "the Rev. Jed Smock and Sister Susie," who also appeared at the University of Arkansas/Fayetteville a few years later. I wonder if this is the same person?

Brother Jed and Sister Cindy used to visit UW-Madison in the 80s and 90s. They ususally got a write-up in one of the 2 student newspapers when they came to town.

Standing around heckling them was a major pastime for some students.

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