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trollface
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This is something that gets said every so often around here, and I've been thinking about it. It doesn't seem like a particularly liberal place to me. I remember reading a comment from Zachary Fizz about how he's been called a leftie on here, despite actually being a Tory. Which makes me wonder whether it's the international flavour of the board that makes it seem left-leaning to some.

I personally find it kind of centrist. However, I'm English, and I don't think it's any secret the England and most of Europe stands to the left of America. I'd also say that British politics have moved to the right within my lifetime, so I'm actually "used" to it being more left-leaning than it currently is, as would many of the British snopsters, I would imagine.

So, could this be why the board appears to be a leftist one on the whole? I think that the proportion of people here on what is kind of an American board is unusually high for the internet. So I'd imagine that American posters in particular wouldn't be used to hearing political opinions from the mindsets of the non-Americans on here in their day-to-day lives, or even on other sites on the internet.

What do we think? Maybe, or would I talk clearer if I stood up?

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Maybe.

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I think that assessment is pretty spot on. I can see how someone on the American political right would see the board as left leaning, but from a Canadian perspective it seems fairly centrist.

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Agreed, TwoGuys. This board is centre-left to left from my perspective ... although from the perspective of the Republican party, it must seem downright communist at times!

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quote:
Originally posted by Canuckistan:
Agreed, TwoGuys. This board is centre-left to left from my perspective ... although from the perspective of the Republican party, it must seem downright communist at times!

From the perspective of (most of) the people I work with, this board would be so far to the left, it is off the scale. These folks think Bush is too liberal and Ann Coulter really holds back when she talks...

Yes, I am the bleeding heart liberal in our group. [Eek!]

And I am not sure what this means, but when I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was, "The broad leans to the left...".

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quote:
Originally posted by trollface:
I personally find it kind of centrist. However, I'm English, and I don't think it's any secret the England and most of Europe stands to the left of America. I'd also say that British politics have moved to the right within my lifetime, so I'm actually "used" to it being more left-leaning than it currently is, as would many of the British snopsters, I would imagine.


We take a differing viewpoint. America is the now the hand that feeds us. We also neatly double up with Europe when it suits us. Of course, the longstanding British connection is still there, but in an ever decreasing role.
Leftist? Centrist? Right.

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US participants on the Soapbox Derby, at least, lean towards the left within their country.

Some evidence is here.

By the way, the percentage of believers here is clearly less than the 90 percent or so world average. Probably the board's atmosphere is more hostile to religion than to the right. Muslim posters, I think, have an even shorter half-life here than do Tory-types.

One group of snopians that does not seem skewed to the left consists of those serving in national militaries. I suppose that after you've been shot at, merely being insulted doesn't seem like much.

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quote:
Originally posted by trollface:
So I'd imagine that American posters in particular wouldn't be used to hearing political opinions from the mindsets of the non-Americans on here in their day-to-day lives, or even on other sites on the internet.

That's one of my absolute favorite features of the boards.

As far as the bulk of your OP: I'd say center. There are times when a curve ball is thrown, but they seem to come from both sides and are generally quashed by the majority of participating members: The Bush Administration Was Behind 9/11 or Islam is a Religion of Hate, etc. As well, the number of atheists/agnostics seems proportional to the number of believers (if this can be said to be indicative of political leanings or not). Itís a remarkable diversity, I think.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Eisenberg:
I suppose that after you've been shot at, merely being insulted doesn't seem like much.

That is a great line! [lol]

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Eisenberg:
US participants on the Soapbox Derby, at least, lean towards the left within their country.

Some evidence is here.

By the way, the percentage of believers here is clearly less than the 90 percent or so world average. Probably the board's atmosphere is more hostile to religion than to the right.

Hostile towards religion? Since when? Critical of certain religious beliefs, sure. Critical of certain outspoken religious extremists (Chick, Phelps, et al), yes.

But hostile? Even Joe Bentley at his worst is still not what I'd call hostile. There have been a handful of "I hate religious people" posters but they usually get put into place by both the theist and atheist people here.

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Muslim posters, I think, have an even shorter half-life here than do Tory-types.
Perhaps I'm utterly naive but I haven't seen any concerted effort to shun Muslims on this board. People come, people go... or have you had Muslim posters tell you they are leaving because of the attitudes of the people here?

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One group of snopians that does not seem skewed to the left consists of those serving in national militaries. I suppose that after you've been shot at, merely being insulted doesn't seem like much.
Military personnel tend to be right-leaning. Not all are though, particularly if you include ex-military and international posters into your numbers.

I could be totally wrong, but I have a succinct feeling that at least a few military people here may take issue with your last line.

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Eisenberg:
US participants on the Soapbox Derby, at least, lean towards the left within their country.

Some evidence is here.

Still trying to get mileage out of your bogus poll?

Pogue

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Eisenberg:
By the way, the percentage of believers here is clearly less than the 90 percent or so world average. Probably the board's atmosphere is more hostile to religion than to the right.

Interesting polls. I see that only 18% of people in Japan believe in an afterlife. The question "Do you believe in God?" would probably be confusing here. What kind of god are you talking about? What do you mean by "believe"? I suspect that Japan isn't alone in that. So, anyway, when these studies claim 90% of people in the world are believers, I wonder if they aren't creating a default amalgam of completely different beliefs, (perhaps inadvertantly) creating a special minority of people who specifically believe in no particular deities.
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I think the board leans to the left. Leans, mind you, not tilts completely. Of course, it depends on what you consider "left" and "right" positions these days.

Have we reached the point where being in favour of gender equality and racial equality are now "centrist" and not "leftist" viewpoints? Does being pro-choice make you left or right? Pro-choicers will say left, because you are fighting for the rights of women. Pro-lifers will say right, because they feel that they are fighting for the rights of fetuses. Does being pro-Israel count as being right-wing? or is it merely that different cultures view the conflict differently?

So yeah. I just muddled you all up bigtime.

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By U.S. standards, I think this board probably leans left. But since the world tends to be liberal than the U.S. (well, not the whole world, but the rest of the world that actually has a substantial amount of snopes residents, i.e. Canada, the UK, the rest of Europe), that probably isn't the case for many.

And like MapleLeaf said, "left" and "right," just like "liberal" and "conservative," are iffy terms. I feel as though I don't really fit on that spectrum well. I actually kind of hate the terms, and find them terribly confining. (Not so much the terms themselves, but the way in which they are used with such emphasis.) For example, on Facebook I call myself "Moderate," but also tend to have rather radical views that don't really fit well on the spectrum.

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There's always that political compass website with 2 axis instead of the ol' "left-right" standard.

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So we're all in agreement, then. The board's left nut sags slightly lower than the right, whereas our right breast is slightly larger than the left. The eyes are crossed, the ears are droopy. I'd say we're ready for the ball! Let 'er rip!

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quote:
Originally posted by I'mNotDedalus:
So we're all in agreement, then. The board's left nut sags slightly lower than the right, whereas our right breast is slightly larger than the left. The eyes are crossed, the ears are droopy. I'd say we're ready for the ball! Let 'er rip!

Sir, you are sitting on a goldmine with all that Columbian cocaine. Care to share? [Smile]

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I find that it helps if I sit up straight in my chair.

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago:
I find that it helps if I sit up straight in my chair.

bad idea

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quote:
Originally posted by MapleLeaf:
quote:
Originally posted by I'mNotDedalus:
So we're all in agreement, then. The board's left nut sags slightly lower than the right, whereas our right breast is slightly larger than the left. The eyes are crossed, the ears are droopy. I'd say we're ready for the ball! Let 'er rip!

Sir, you are sitting on a goldmine with all that Columbian cocaine. Care to share? [Smile]
The cocaine or the goldmine? ...Or the Columbians?

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quote:
Originally posted by I'mNotDedalus:
quote:
Originally posted by MapleLeaf:
quote:
Originally posted by I'mNotDedalus:
So we're all in agreement, then. The board's left nut sags slightly lower than the right, whereas our right breast is slightly larger than the left. The eyes are crossed, the ears are droopy. I'd say we're ready for the ball! Let 'er rip!

Sir, you are sitting on a goldmine with all that Columbian cocaine. Care to share? [Smile]
The cocaine or the goldmine? ...Or the Columbians?
Well, I was originally talking about the cocaine, but if you've got 'em all to spare, 'tis the season after all.

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I'd say slightly right of centre myself.

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Military personnel tend to be right-leaning.
Usually, those who choose a military career are on the end of the scale that their country predominantly is on. USA is a right nation, so their military tends to be right, a nation with a clear left leaning tends to have left military.

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trollface said:
I'd also say that British politics have moved to the right within my lifetime, so I'm actually "used" to it being more left-leaning than it currently is

Iím not sure if itís true that the country as a whole used to be more left-leaning: politics did used to be more polarised, but that didnít mean that the left was really the dominant British viewpoint (particularly during our lifetime Ė i.e. the 70s to the present). What has been significant has been the rush to the centre, and a move from the politics of ideology to the politics of immediate populism.

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Steve Eisenberg said:
Muslim posters, I think, have an even shorter half-life here than do Tory-types.

Isnít this because there are relatively few Muslim posters here in the first place? I havenít seen any Muslim poster who has said they were leaving because the board was intolerant to their religious views (in fact, religious posters in general seem to me to be well-represented and more than capable of standing up for themselves Ė although perhaps this is my experience as an areligious BritÖ)

For myself, I find the boards quite centrist overall. I find US posters in general more favourable towards free market economics, and more socially conservative than UK/European posters. I know that there a lot of socially conservative people in the UK, itís just that they donít seem to post here, and I donít seem to hang out with them much. Perhaps I should pop in on the Daily Mail comments board more oftenÖ

It would be interesting if the board had more posters from Middle Eastern and Asian backgrounds and locations, i.e. if it was more truly international.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troberg:
Usually, those who choose a military career are on the end of the scale that their country predominantly is on. USA is a right nation, so their military tends to be right, a nation with a clear left leaning tends to have left military. [/QB]

I don't believe this. Every country is different. It depends on the history of the country, especially the history of its military, in addition to many other factors. (This is in addition to the solid objections that have already been voiced about the ambiguity of the left-right axis.)
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quote:
Originally posted by Embra:
Iím not sure if itís true that the country as a whole used to be more left-leaning: politics did used to be more polarised, but that didnít mean that the left was really the dominant British viewpoint (particularly during our lifetime Ė i.e. the 70s to the present). What has been significant has been the rush to the centre, and a move from the politics of ideology to the politics of immediate populism.

What I mean is that the Liberals are probably the only party that haven't really moved substantially, and they're now further to the left than both the Tories and Labour, wheras they used to be in the middle.

I used to have an interview with, I think, Michael Hesletine from when New Labour were fairly newly in power, and he'd joined the party. He said quite simply, that his views hadn't changed, it's simply that New Labour were now in the same place politically that the Thatcherites were when he worked for them. Let's not forget that in 1979, we actually had a socialist government, something that I simply can't see happening in this day and age.

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quote:
Originally posted by Embra:
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Steve Eisenberg said:
Muslim posters, I think, have an even shorter half-life here than do Tory-types.

Isnít this because there are relatively few Muslim posters here in the first place? I havenít seen any Muslim poster who has said they were leaving because the board was intolerant to their religious views
IIRC, Javaman was round for quite a while and simply stopped posting. If he was given a hard time IMHO it was not because he was Muslim but because he was a something of a nut.

AFAIK no other card-carrying Tories have declared themselves on these boards, so I am a little concerned at Steve's implication that I have a limited time here. What do you know that I don't, Steve? [Big Grin]

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khdijah is a Muslim, and IIRC Michigan Girl an ex-Muslim, and I've never seen them given a hard time over their [ex]religion. I've not seen khadijah post for a while though; have I missed something?

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Archie2K's a bit of a Tory type, isn't he? Surely there have to be at least two of you for the half-life even to have a meaning, unless it goes by number of posts or something.
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I don't believe this. Every country is different. It depends on the history of the country, especially the history of its military, in addition to many other factors.
Which is why I qualified it with a "usually".

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This is in addition to the solid objections that have already been voiced about the ambiguity of the left-right axis.
You get no argument from me there.

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Originally posted by Richard W:
Archie2K's a bit of a Tory type, isn't he? Surely there have to be at least two of you for the half-life even to have a meaning, unless it goes by number of posts or something.

How would you measure Tory half-lives anyway? Do we emit particles? (Neutrons? Photons? Camerons?)
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How would you measure Tory half-lives anyway?
By the quality of the poetry they write? [Razz]

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How would you measure Tory half-lives anyway?
By the quality of the poetry they write? [Razz]
Measured in Thomas Newtons?
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I'd say the board leans a bit to the left overall. But then, I'm not only American, I'm also an MBA student at the moment. It's all about perspective.

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