The article goes on to list instances where GWB stated "stay the course" or something similar more than once.
Backpedal much, Georgie?
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Eh, hardly the first time Bush, or any politician for that matter, has tried to pretend there aren't dozens of recordings and records of him/her saying something they now claim they didn't.. Heck just look at Pat Robertson (ok not technically a politician).
It wouldn't bother me so much if half the damn country (it seems anyways) didn't fall for it every single time they do it..
The only better politician trick is to strongly imply something (ex: Use 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentange a million times), then send your media goons out to make the bridge (directly say that Iraq/Saddam was responsible for 9/11) and then act all shocked when the more ignorant branch of your base makes the connection, the beauty of it is if anybody calls you on it you "technically" didn't actually say that, you just strongly implied it with a very specific use of words and imagery..
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I saw that, and my jaw hit the floor when he said it.
Although, it wasn't half as annoying as watching Ken Mehlman on the talk shows say that the administration's policy isn't "stay the course", but "adapt to win". Especially when the whitehouse uses "stay the course" after he says it. It might also be the way he says "adapt to win" which makes it sound like he has no idea what he is talking about.
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Funny how the catchphrase (if not the policy) has changed less than a month from Congressional elections ...
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Is he crazy? "Stay the Course" is probably going to be Bush II's "Read My Lips: No New Taxes!" or "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
BTW, as someone with the initials GWB, I please ask my fellow snopesters to not refer to him that way.
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He lied. I would have much more respect for him (as opposed to none) had he said something like, "I've said we must stay the course, and I mean we must establish democracy in Iraq. However, we must remain adaptable to challenges along the way. There's nothing wrong with changing tactics to reach a strategic goal."
But he didn't. He lied.
It took me two minutes to find thirty or forty instances of the President saying "we will" or "we must" "stay the course in Iraq." I think he has a low opinion of the voters' memory--or Googling ability.
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Brad, you big silly. By "stay the course," the President obviously means "we will adapt and refine our strategery as conditions warrant."
You've apparantly not received your copy of the "Bush to English Translation Dictionary" yet.
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Is it possible that we have mis-heard President Bush? He is a keen golfer, perhaps he was saying "We must play the course", or "We must spray the gorse"?
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Perhaps he has a stallion on his ranch which hasn't been gelded, and as a result is having behaviourable problems. So, in order to address these problems, he has decided to "Spay the Horse."
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quote:Originally posted by Brad from Georgia: O-kay. Bush says, "We've never been 'stay the course'" in this interview. Yep, Bush cuts and runs, all right....
He lied. I would have much more respect for him (as opposed to none) had he said something like, "I've said we must stay the course, and I mean we must establish democracy in Iraq. However, we must remain adaptable to challenges along the way. There's nothing wrong with changing tactics to reach a strategic goal."
But he didn't. He lied.
It took me two minutes to find thirty or forty instances of the President saying "we will" or "we must" "stay the course in Iraq." I think he has a low opinion of the voters' memory--or Googling ability.
Those are all liberal lies planted by the liberal mainstream media. Those video clips that show the President saying those things are fabrications of liberal Hollywood, just like those liberal dinosaurs in that uber-liberal movie "Jurassic Park" (it's liberal because dinosaurs didn't exist...they're not in the Bible). Free-thinkers know that you can't believe the liberal media hype. The President never said those things, and we know this to be true because he stood in front of the nation and decalred it to be true himself. Presient Bush confirmed that President Bush never said "stay the course".
-meth "if you say stuff often enough, it becomes truth" uselah
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Could he be a fan of 1950s Caribbean steel bands? Because it would explain a lot if, when we thought he said "Invade Iraq", he was really saying "Invaders rock!"...
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Or possibly he really, really likes mid-nineties middle of the road Irish pop: "We must pray to the Corrs".
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Dara, next time you're near a veterinarian, see what he or she says about the idea of spaying a stallion. Try to do this when there aren't too many other people around, or at least, none that know you.
OK, OK, I realize it was a pun, but you could have used a mare...
No, actually, Our Boy was in a bar, not drinking with a bunch of his friends. Because he doesn't do that any more, see. A waitress came up and asked him if he was ready for a refill on the empty beer he wasn't drinking. She pointed out that Miller beer was half-price, but the Doofus-in-Chief said "No thanks, I'll stay with Coors".
But he wasn't drinking!
And anyway, Clinton had sex in the Oval Office!
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quote:Originally posted by Dog Friendly: No, actually, Our Boy was in a bar, not drinking with a bunch of his friends. Because he doesn't do that any more, see. A waitress came up and asked him if he was ready for a refill on the empty beer he wasn't drinking. She pointed out that Miller beer was half-price, but the Doofus-in-Chief said "No thanks, I'll stay with Coors".
But he wasn't drinking!
And anyway, Clinton had sex in the Oval Office!
Perhaps he was trying to avoid having sexual relations with a subordinate and he said "we'll pay some whores"?
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quote:President Bush and his aides are annoyed that people keep misinterpreting his Iraq policy as "stay the course." A complete distortion, they say. "That is not a stay-the-course policy," White House press secretary Tony Snow declared yesterday.
quote:Instead, they have been emphasizing in recent weeks how adaptable the president's Iraq policy actually is. Bush remains steadfast about remaining in Iraq, they say, but constantly shifts tactics and methods in response to an adjusting enemy. "What you have is not 'stay the course' but in fact a study in constant motion by the administration," Snow said yesterday.
quote:Bush used "stay the course" until recent weeks when it became clear that it was becoming a political problem. "The characterization of, you know, 'it's stay the course' is about a quarter right," Bush complained at an Oct. 11 news conference. " 'Stay the course' means keep doing what you're doing. My attitude is: Don't do what you're doing if it's not working -- change. 'Stay the course' also means don't leave before the job is done."
Hope that clears it up.
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When he said "stay the course" he was speaking to the twins. This was just fatherly advice to not party so much and keep studying in school.
Also, "cut and run" is just a variation of his "Austin greeting" where he passes gas before his employees and observes their reaction.
Some people just look for the bad in everything.
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Now I'm really confused...'stay the course' does not mean 'stay the course', but 'you're plan is not working' somehow means 'cut and run'. I really wish our President had stayed awake during English classes.
Anyone want to chip in on a gift for Georgie-boy for Christmas this year? I was thinking of getting him a dictionary.
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I would get him a thesauraus.
That way, he could see that "change your plan" is not, in fact, synonymous with "stay the course."
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But that's not what he was asked. His answer and back-pedalling are answers are about specific tactics, while the question was clearly about overall strategy.
Cut & Run = Obviously means withdrawing from Iraq. When faced with two options, they're usually polar opposites. Bush's definition claims to be changing tactics, but it makes no sense in the context.
Stay the Course (use the same tactics) Vs. Cut and Run (total withdrawal) would translate to something like this:
quote: "Mr. Bush, total withdrawal from Iraq, or keep using the 101st Airborne in an air assault role instead of as dismounted infantry?"
It's a nonsensical line of questioning.
He was asked a very simple and specific question, using phrases he himself promoted, yet somehow still responded to a question about strategy with an answer on tactics.
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quote:Originally posted by Methuselah: Those are all liberal lies planted by the liberal mainstream media. Those video clips that show the President saying those things are fabrications of liberal Hollywood, just like those liberal dinosaurs in that uber-liberal movie "Jurassic Park" (it's liberal because dinosaurs didn't exist...they're not in the Bible).
quote:Anyone want to chip in on a gift for Georgie-boy for Christmas this year? I was thinking of getting him a dictionary.
quote:Originally posted by Canuckistan: I would get him a thesauraus.
A thesaurus? I bet that's one a them LIBERAL dinosaurs made up by LIBERAL Hollywood for that uber-liberal movie "Jurassic Park"! Can't have that - it's heresy and promotes evolution instead of creation science. (I bet that's one a them gay dinos, too.)
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quote:Originally posted by Cervus: A thesaurus? I bet that's one a them LIBERAL dinosaurs made up by LIBERAL Hollywood for that uber-liberal movie "Jurassic Park"! Can't have that - it's heresy and promotes evolution instead of creation science. (I bet that's one a them gay dinos, too.)
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quote:Originally posted by Cervus: (I bet that's one a them gay dinos, too.)
So THAT'S why the dinosaur's became extinct. If only they had had some amendenments to protect the sanctity of marriage...
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Could have been crafted a little better, but capitalizes on the "stay the course" not "stay the course"
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quote:Originally posted by Cervus A thesaurus? I bet that's one a them LIBERAL dinosaurs made up by LIBERAL Hollywood for that uber-liberal movie "Jurassic Park"! Can't have that - it's heresy and promotes evolution instead of creation science. (I bet that's one a them gay dinos, too.)
I disagree.
1. The gay dino was a 'teh-saurus.' 2. Jurassic Park strengthens the case for creationism. DNA degrades over time. Obviously it was easier for Dickie Attenborough's boffins to extract useable DNA from 6,000 year-old bones. Would have been almost impossible if the evoltionists were right, and the bones were 70 million years old.
ETA: edits for puctuation and spelling. Also I know it was a book first, and the character was John Hammond.
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quote:Originally posted by Eddylizard: 2. Jurassic Park strengthens the case for creationism. DNA degrades over time. Obviously it was easier for Dickie Ateenborough's boffins to extract useable DNA from 6,000 year-old bones. Would have been almost impossible if the evoltionists were right, and the bones were 70 million years old.
Oh, real good. You're now using fiction to support your intelligent design theories, huh, Eddy? Please.
quote:1. The gay dino was a 'teh-saurus.
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Canuckistan Are you telling me that Jurassic Park was fiction? No wonder my travel agent keeps giving me odd looks every time I ask for a brochure, and suggests a week in Tenerife instead.
Or are you referring to a greater fiction?
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Could have been crafted a little better, but capitalizes on the "stay the course" not "stay the course"
Hey...remember back in 2004 when the whole crowd at the Republican Nat'l Convention started mocking John Kerry with a unison chant of 'flip-flop, flip-flop'...and they even showed a close-up of a woman wearing flip-flops on her hands, joyously praising the Republican party for their non-flip-flopishness?
Good times...good times.
-meth "amazing what a simple marketing message can do" uselah P.S. If only the DNC had picked up on that kind of strategy 2 years ago...but, then again, like my grandmother always said: "if 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, we'd all be millionaires".
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Personally, I'm waiting for Matt Drudge to report that the whole war was actually a prank that got blown out of proportion by the media. Developing.
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To be fair, he is later quite clear that he's not going to withdraw troops (completely) from Iraq during his presidency:
quote:STEPHANOPOULOS: Are U.S. troops going to leave Iraq before you leave the presidency?
BUSH: No. I cannot — you mean, any U.S. troops?
STEPHANOPOULOS: Right.
BUSH: Well, U.S. troops have been leaving Iraq since I've been the president.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But complete withdrawal; no way?
BUSH: You mean every single troop out? No.
... which, reading it again, actually isn't nearly as clear as I had thought.
Nice to know that if we consider rising casualty rates to be important, then we're using the definition of success that the enemy wants us to use. And that ultimately, the important reason for staying is so that "radicals and extremists" don't control oil supplies.
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quote:Originally posted by BlueStar: Personally, I'm waiting for Matt Drudge to report that the whole war was actually a prank that got blown out of proportion by the media. Developing.
I would anticipate that gem rolling out first thing Monday morning.
Mattie should have his internets disabled.
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