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I don't really see a problem with it -- the High School I used to go to is a Magnet school now, with several different "acadamies", and I think having different colors for the different acadamies would be a quicker way for the hall monitors to tell where a kid belongs right now, instead of having to cart them off to the office and check the records for where they are supposed to be.
As far as work, I used to work for the state and the badges where not only color coded, they where oriented different for permanent, and long term contractuals. And it was necessary to wear you name tag at all times -- they wouldn't let you into the building without it. One of the reasons they made sure there was an easily recognizable difference is that perm employee badges where also mass transit passes. Contractual employees had to pay for their own bus.
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Does this remind anyone else of the German segregation programs during WWII????
That's exactly what I thought of when I heard of the badges.
& what's scary is that if other schools in that district or even other districts think that's a good idea, they'll establish something like it.
Now, I wouldn't mind is they had badges simply with their name, & perhaps a seperate color for freshmen, sophmore, juniors & seniors, but colors for living conditions? Learning disabilities? This could only lead to different colors for religion & race.
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quote:Originally posted by Ladycrissdean: Well lets just add the star of David for all those students that are Jewish...
Does this remind anyone else of the German segregation programs during WWII????
I understand the intent wasn't to single students out. But the German government claimed the same thing when they instituted their policies prior to WWII.
I was thinking the same thing. Yellow Stars of David, plus pink triangles for homosexuals, and black I-don't-remembers for gypsies. Weren't there others, too?
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The end result of which was internment, then slavery, and, for many, death. None of which are likely outcomes of Montgomery-Blair High School's identification program.
I don't mean pick on either of you, or defend the high school's foolhardy program. But comparisons to holocausts are only valid when the issue shares a logical conclusion with holocausts, which this one doesn't.
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quote:Orginally posted by Griffin 2020:Reply with quote Am I the only person that does not think that this is a big deal?
Yeah, probably. I think it's an incredibly stupid idea. Let's face it, kids in high school usually take advantage of any type of "class" system to put down others they see as "less than me."
quote:Orginally posted by Griffin 2020:Many large companies do basically the same thing. Contractor badges will be one color, Employees another color, visitors another, people with certain types of access another. Does this "foster a sense of segregation" in the workplace?
Yes, it does. In most any workplace environment, contract employees definately get 2nd class status. At one company I worked at, an engineer held poorly concealed contempt of contractors, thinking us people who "Couldn't find real jobs." (Yep! To our face!) After complaints to management proved fruitless, a "little talk" in the parking lot with several of us at least toned the obvious contempt he had for us down a little.
Plus, there are security issues. My wife works for the state and deals with the public on a semi regular basis. At first, the name tags had a picture, and a full name. That ended pretty quickly when employees, mainly younger women, started getting calls at home from men who were trying to hit on them. Many had to get their phone numbers changed. Other workers started getting calls from people who felt they'd been screwed by the state, and wanted to vent their anger at the employee. Didn't take long for the tags to lose the last name. I see the exact same problem with these tags. What happens if one of the students drops or otherwise loses their tag, and it's picked up by a pervert, or worse yet, a U.S. Congressman, who decides "Hmm, I oughta check this out!!"
The company I work for now, (Which is a pretty good place to work for, by the way, and doesn't seem to have the "employee status" issues other companies I've been at have.) has two types of badges. security and non-security. Non-security types don't get into "sensitive areas." And the name of the company is NOT on the badge. There's no hint of it anywhere, as it makes it too easy for interlopers to find the place and get through a secure door if a tag is lost.
quote:Originally posted by RubyMoon: I don't really see a problem with it -- the High School I used to go to is a Magnet school now, with several different "acadamies", and I think having different colors for the different acadamies would be a quicker way for the hall monitors to tell where a kid belongs right now, instead of having to cart them off to the office and check the records for where they are supposed to be.
Is there some kind of language barrier that would prevent these hall monitors from, I don't know, asking the kid where he/she belongs?
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quote:Originally posted by RubyMoon: I don't really see a problem with it -- the High School I used to go to is a Magnet school now, with several different "acadamies", and I think having different colors for the different acadamies would be a quicker way for the hall monitors to tell where a kid belongs right now, instead of having to cart them off to the office and check the records for where they are supposed to be.
Because the more we make our social institutions resemble prisons, the better our society will be!
So up with the surveillance cameras! Up with the metal detectors! Up with the fences and gates!
(Sorry. I've just been reading Foucault...)
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quote:Originally posted by Dr. Dave: I just checked Sara's full story link. The ESL kids get the same color as the Freshmean? WTF? And the administrator threw in the old "Security" excuse (who could argue with that?) Well, security is only achieved by having student badges period, not 11 different colors.
That's the compromise. Originally the ESL students had bright yellow which is now for "Others". The ESL students complained enough (and maybe the school considered that there might be legal issues) that they were allowed to switch from Yellow to Freshman Red.
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quote:Originally posted by DrRocket: Yes, it does. In most any workplace environment, contract employees definately get 2nd class status. At one company I worked at, an engineer held poorly concealed contempt of contractors, thinking us people who "Couldn't find real jobs." (Yep! To our face!)
It's that way where I work. We contractors are called LCCs, which stands for Lying, Cheating Contactors.
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quote:Originally posted by ToadMagnet: I was thinking the same thing. Yellow Stars of David, plus pink triangles for homosexuals, and black I-don't-remembers for gypsies. Weren't there others, too?
quote:Originally posted by Ladycrissdean: Well lets just add the star of David for all those students that are Jewish...
Does this remind anyone else of the German segregation programs during WWII????
I understand the intent wasn't to single students out. But the German government claimed the same thing when they instituted their policies prior to WWII.
I was thinking the same thing. Yellow Stars of David, plus pink triangles for homosexuals, and black I-don't-remembers for gypsies. Weren't there others, too?
Toad"Welcome, Godwin, sit right down"Magnet
The end result of which was internment, then slavery, and, for many, death. None of which are likely outcomes of Montgomery-Blair High School's identification program.
I don't mean pick on either of you, or defend the high school's foolhardy program. But comparisons to holocausts are only valid when the issue shares a logical conclusion with holocausts, which this one doesn't.
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I support the notion that while the idea of color-coded ID badges in a school may be foolish, it only has a very small similarity to the Nazi Concentration Camp badges. Those, by the way, where used only in Concentration Camps to distinquish different groups of prisoners. Only the yellow Star of David was enforced on the whole jewish population in Germany and occupied countries.
Here's the full table of color codes for those interested: Wikipedia entry
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quote:At least three freshmen reported various forms of hazing...But the principal said freshmen actually suffered fewer hazing incidents this year than last. He doubts the color-coded badges were responsible.
"Every student in here knows who the ninth-graders are," he said. "They don't need an ID to tell them."
Ok, so if they don't need IDs to tell them apart, why do you have IDs to tell them apart?
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quote:Originally posted by Ladycrissdean: Well lets just add the star of David for all those students that are Jewish...
Does this remind anyone else of the German segregation programs during WWII????
I understand the intent wasn't to single students out. But the German government claimed the same thing when they instituted their policies prior to WWII.
I was thinking the same thing. Yellow Stars of David, plus pink triangles for homosexuals, and black I-don't-remembers for gypsies. Weren't there others, too?
Toad"Welcome, Godwin, sit right down"Magnet
The end result of which was internment, then slavery, and, for many, death. None of which are likely outcomes of Montgomery-Blair High School's identification program.
I don't mean pick on either of you, or defend the high school's foolhardy program. But comparisons to holocausts are only valid when the issue shares a logical conclusion with holocausts, which this one doesn't.
J "still thinks Godwin's Law is a hypothesis" FB
I would be very surprised if anyone reading that article who possessed even the most rudimentary knowledge of WWII history *didn't* immediately make that connection though. It is reminiscent after all of a particular heinous part of recent history. Whether it is an exact comparison is surely beside the point?
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Wow..they certainly went overboard. I can see perhaps identifying the different classes- freshman, soph, junior, senior but that's about it.
When I was in High school we had name tag pins. Each incoming class would choose their own "Class colors" We then got our name tags in those colors. For example my class had blue & Gold- blue background and yellow lettering. Another class had red & white. That way we could keep the name tag through 4 years. I THINK it's either switched to just the school colors now or eliminated by now since my HS years was well over 20 years ago.
Though I think the only reason we HAD them was so we could identify the blazers...they're all the same looking in private school lol.
As for the workplace badges, of the 6 jobs I had...I worked at 3 places that required badges due to security reasons (2 positions were at the same client site but different departments and 1 job I had was under 2 different employers if that makes sense LOL). Each time they were distinctly different and noticable. I don't know why as in all of those sites contracters AND workers were pretty much on the same level with "access"- or at least on my teams- excluding supervisors and managers. It seems that larger companies go with badges while mid sized and smaller companies don't.
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