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Lainie
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quote:
Originally posted by Dog Friendly:
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Where do people get the idea of suicide from "Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening"? I've heard that a couple of times recently, but I've known the poem for a long time and I'd never come across that interpretation before.

Did Frost himself said so? I'm not saying it couldn't be true, but I sure think it's a lot of freight to put on "The woods are lovely, dark and deep". What else in the poem could even remotely be considered suicidal?

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It's new to me, too. I always thought that "I have promises to keep/and miles to go before I sleep" was simply the narrator shaking off his reverie and getting back to business.

ETA: Of course, sleep is a common metaphor for death. . .maybe I've just been dense about it. . .

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ThistleSoftware
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Lainie and Dog Friendly: that is just one interpretation of the poem- yours is just as valid. To me it sounds like someone contemplating suicide, or at least removing themselves from the life they had known. Snow, cold, darkness, stopping, not seeing your loved ones- all sound like things that are related to death. Will the narrator choose sleep (death) now, when it sounds so pleasant and restful, or will he keep going with life, not "sleeping" until he's done more?

It is an interpretation that requires looking at the poem a certain way, but then, all poetry interpretation requires that. You can read a poem as a series of metaphors or you can just enjoy the imagery.

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Lainie
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I just think it's interesting that I've never come across that particular interpretation until now.

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Dog Friendly
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Neither have I, until this week. Twice in one week, just now, and none at all in thirty-some years since I learned it in junior college.

But then, this is why I don't spend much time with poetry. My experience is that anyone is welcome to construct any interpretation of the meaning of a poem. To my inexperienced eyes, it frequently seems as if people are loading an awful lot of freight onto one or two words that could mean anything, or nothing.

I don't mean to attack anyone else, here. As with poetry itself, any other interpretation is equally valid.

And we're supposed to be talking about Christmas carols, anyway.

Dog ("Me, I want a hula hoop") Friendly

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ThistleSoftware
Little Sales Drummer Boy


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Oh, I see. I read that poem in a freshman literature/ poetry class and that's the main interpretation we discussed, so I thought it was fairly widely known.

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Psihala
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quote:
Originally posted by A Fish Called DawnStorm:
I like most Christmas songs including many of the ones y'all don't like, but Mannheim Steamroller's version of Jingle bells sucks the big one. It's Jingle Bells on Valium.

If you think that song is trippy, you should see the visuals they show along with "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" at the concerts.

Speaking of which...

I can pretty well 'tune out' the music most stores play over the speaker system. While shopping at Borders this morning, though, I was jolted out of my usual solitary musings by the most wretched version of "Rudolph, the Red-nosed Reindeer" my ears have ever been assaulted by. I have no idea who the alleged 'vocalist' was (I suspect he got his training doing animal imitations), and I'll count my blessing should I never, ever, hear that particular version again for as long as I live.

~Psihala

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NeeCD
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I've stayed away from this thread after reading the first few pages and getting depressed because you all hate the songs that I love. [Frown]

Then I saw Mannheim Steamroller in the recent topics and remembered that I actually hate every Christmas song they do. I'm not really sure it counts though, since I don't like their non-Christmas songs, either, so it's not really the carol that I dislike.

Also, I had an orthodontist appointment last week, and they were playing just awful, twangy Country & Western Christmas music the whole time. But again, it wasn't the songs, it was the way they were done. And I love some Country Christmas - The Statler Bros. comes to mind.

Oh well, what can I say? Even when I worked in retail I didn't get tired of the Christmas music. I guess I don't really belong in this thread after all.

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Ramblin' Dave, quietly making noise
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quote:
Originally posted by A Fish Called DawnStorm:
I like most Christmas songs including many of the ones y'all don't like, but Mannheim Steamroller's version of Jingle bells sucks the big one. It's Jingle Bells on Valium.

One version of Jingle Bells I had mercifully forgotten - until yesterday - was Frank Sinatra's, with the "I love those J-I-N-G-L-E bells" intro. Ew. I heard it yesterday in a record shop in Paris, which almost made me wish that whole stereotype about the French hating all things Anglo-Saxon were true.

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Wolf333
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Just heard it yesterday...
A Lou Rawls (if it was not Lou Rawls, it sounded just like him) upbeat Jazz version of "Little Drummer Boy."

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Psihala
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CNN ran a feature on the most annoying Christmas songs yesterday morning, but I couldn't stay up to watch it. As a teaser, though, they played one that sounded an awful lot like the Brady Bunch theme.

Maybe it was a good thing I missed it.

~Psihala

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Dogwater
Happy Holly Days


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I have a thing against Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. I wouldn't call it hate, per se, but...

Here's the message I get from it: Kid's born with a deformity/difference. The father rejects him, the kids make fun and even Santa (according to the TV special) is cruel to him. But, when it turns out that they need him...well, everything's just OKey-DOKey now and he's accepted.

Hmmm, not until they need him for their own purposes is he allowed to become one with the others? If I were Santa, I'd have said "NFBSK you, fat man." about lighting the way!

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Nick Theodorakis
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
I have a thing against Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. I wouldn't call it hate, per se, but...

Here's the message I get from it: Kid's born with a deformity/difference. The father rejects him, the kids make fun and even Santa (according to the TV special) is cruel to him. But, when it turns out that they need him...well, everything's just OKey-DOKey now and he's accepted.

Hmmm, not until they need him for their own purposes is he allowed to become one with the others? If I were Santa, I'd have said "NFBSK you, fat man." about lighting the way!

Which version of Rudolph do you consider "canon?" The Robert May story (in which he did not live at the North Pole and was discovered accidentally by Santa), the Johnny Marks song (which I don't think even mentions his parentage) or the stop-motion animated TV movie?

Nick

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DadOf3
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
If I were Santa, I'd have said "NFBSK you, fat man." about lighting the way!

I think you meant if you were Rudolph. [Wink]
As for the Rankin-Bass special, in fairness the reaindeer, Santa, and other elves all do apologize to Rudolph and Hermie before it even occurs to Santa that Rudolph's nose could come in handy. In the original song, there's no mention of Santa before he asks Rudolph for help, so it can't be inferred that Santa had treated him badly at all.

That said, since Johnny Marks wrote all the music for the special, and not just Rudolph itself, he must have at least agreed with R-B's interpretation.

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Dogwater
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quote:
Originally posted by DadOf3:
quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
If I were Santa, I'd have said "NFBSK you, fat man." about lighting the way!

I think you meant if you were Rudolph. [Wink]
As for the Rankin-Bass special, in fairness the reaindeer, Santa, and other elves all do apologize to Rudolph and Hermie before it even occurs to Santa that Rudolph's nose could come in handy. In the original song, there's no mention of Santa before he asks Rudolph for help, so it can't be inferred that Santa had treated him badly at all.

That said, since Johnny Marks wrote all the music for the special, and not just Rudolph itself, he must have at least agreed with R-B's interpretation.

Listen, if I'm going so far as to get upset enough to go on a rant over a holiday song, I can be expected to infer anything I want -- fairly/rightly or otherwise [lol]

Anyway, you should hear what I have to say about Dumbo! [Big Grin]

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Elkhound
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Anent the Frost poem, you can sing it to "Tallis' Canon" or the "Old 100th."

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Dog Friendly
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"We could do that, but it would be wrong"
One of the Watergate co-conspirators, I think Ehrlichmann or Haldeman.

Dog Friendly

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Amanda NOT Mandy
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As a rule, I thoroughly enjoy Christmas music and am rarely annoyed by any holiday song. However, while shopping before Christmas I heard the aboslute worst, mind-numbing Blue Christmas rendition to date. Normally, I enjoy Sheryl Crow, but this song was droning, dragging and just terrible. Give me Porky Pig ANYtime over that!
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Jay Temple
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I'll add to that: I thought I was finished listening to Christmas music yesterday, but we ate dinner at a restaurant where they played the worst versions I've ever heard of "Jingle Bells" and "Santa Baby."

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Santa Mari-a
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Beyonce's rendition of "Silent Night" has to be right up there with the worst interpretations ever: "Sihihihile...ent Niiiiight, Hooooooly Niiiiiight..." The song is slow enough as it is without her vocalizing over every vowel!

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