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Pixel Worship
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Alright, so I'm a failure at life and missed the big season starter of The Simpsons. I heard that somebody was supposed to die in this episode.

Who was it?

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Artemis
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I actually watched, first time in a long time. No one died. Fat Tony got shot, but he was just in a coma for a while, and then recovers. In the interim, the Simpsons plus Fat Tony's son take over the mob business.

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The ending was really good, though.

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I thought it had its moments, but was pretty bad overall. Again, it had a certain Lisa-centrism to it that I have always detested.

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Artemis
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I liked the ending. Other than that, I had the same reaction I've had for the last five years. Just...eh. Homer taking over the mob business was so dull. Also, what was up with bringing Lunch Lady Doris back?
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It wasn't great (I'm with DemonWolf that the ending was really good), but I thought overall it was better than much of last season.

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Another stupid celebrity guest brought in for absolutely no reason other than to just show them.

Otto: "Hey it's Metallica!"
Metallica: "Hi we're Metallica!"
Otto: "You guys rock!"
Metallica: [supposedly witty remark that just comes off as pompous and unfunny]

I miss when the Simpsons had celebrity cameos with good reason.

It also bugged me in that same segment that Otto was sitting in the bus in one shot and then suddenly was standing outside of it in the next. I never notice animation incongruities but that one was just thoughtless and glaring to me--it's like they're not even putting any effort into it anymore.

ETA: Animating != Animation

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I refuse to Simpson-bash. I still like it, although last night's was not a classic.

It was the first time in a several months that I actually watched a new episode, as during daylight saving time I usually miss prime time TV in favor of evening dog-walks. I figure I can always watch the reruns (forever!). However, it was already dark at 8pm this time, so I came in and watched.

I won't say that the Simpsons has gone downhill or grown stale, as I always get a few belly-laughs, but I must admit I've always thought Groening's Futurama the funnier of the two series, and I try to catch its reruns most nights.

Lately, I'm more and more of a South Park fan.

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There's just something missing about recent Simpson episodes. They just seem to leave me cold. It's painful to say this since this show used to always make me laugh out loud.

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There were two moments where I thought "They already did that!"

1. There already was an episode where Otto lost his job. Ok, this time he was suspended with pay, but still.

2. One of the mobsters tells Bart something like "You've got a bright future in organized crime." But Bart has already worked for Fat Tony, as a bartender.

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VersesBatman
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I agree about the celebrity cameos. I like it when they serve a purpose.

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Remember the good old days when the Simpsons have their season premiere after their Halloween special... in November? Watching new episodes during the baseball season is just plain weird.

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Originally posted by WildaBeast:
2. One of the mobsters tells Bart something like "You've got a bright future in organized crime." But Bart has already worked for Fat Tony, as a bartender.

I caught that. Also, when Bart was shaking down Krusty, I kept waiting for Krusty to go, "Hey, it's my former personal assistant, Bart!"

EDITED TO ADD: There was also the disturbing moment when Homer slapped Bart for no reason. It was when Fat Tony's son gave them souffle, and Lisa complimented him. The scene could have ended as they walked way. Instead, there's the extra beat where Homer upbraids Bart: "Why can't you do anything?" Looks like ol' Jerkass is back.

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VersesBatman
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I stopped expecting continuity after The Principal and The Pauper.

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quote:
Originally posted by VersesBatman:
There's just something missing about recent Simpson episodes. They just seem to leave me cold. It's painful to say this since this show used to always make me laugh out loud.

Agreed. It's not that the show's bad now, it's just bland. Has been for a while, too.

And I also didn't get the point of Metallica's cameo, since they did nothing other than appear.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Remember the good old days when the Simpsons have their season premiere after their Halloween special... in November? Watching new episodes during the baseball season is just plain weird.

Thats not the good old days, that was like last year. Fox didn't even get the rights to Major League Baseball until around season 6 of the Simpsons. Some fans (not me) would say it had already jumped the shark way back then. Sports during primetime on non-sports networks are an abomination.
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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Also, when Bart was shaking down Krusty, I kept waiting for Krusty to go, "Hey, it's my former personal assistant, Bart!"

who (along with his sister Lisa) reunited me with my estranged father, and found me out when I faked my own death, and got many big celebrities to work my comeback special...

The writers have made fun of these things before. One time Bart wanted something from Krusty and Krusty's personal assistant listed all the ways Bart and Lisa helped Krusty. There was also an episode where Mr Burns can't remember Homer and Smither's lists all the ways that Homer and Mr Burns interacted. Smithers concludes with something like, "In fact, Homer has been involved with every major event in your life for the past x years." (x being the season that The Simpsons were doing at the time.

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After 17 seasons, where else can they go? IT has been renewed for another 2 seasons, though.


It is not surprising Krusty didi not recognize Bart. It has been an ongoing gag that he never does, despite all the interaction they've had over the years.

As a long-time metalhead and Simpsosn's fan, I have to comment on the Metallica cameo. Some have suggested that they just pop up randomly andand serve no purpose. Isn't that the role they have occupied since the years following the Black Album?

As for Otto losing his job, how many times has Homer lost his job, or tried to do a different job over the years only to end up back at the power plant? Contiuity is not always a strong suit with the Simpsons.

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Overall, I was entertained by it, better than the last few times I've tried to watch the Simpsons and struggled to laugh.

However...yea, the show's run for 17 seasons and this time the writers can't even crack a joke about their own crazy continuity. I have high hopes for the film, for some crazy reason. Maybe it's because it looks like they're trying for once instead of churning out the same old.

And hey...did Otto even get his job back? They sure let that subplot peter out.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:
As a long-time metalhead and Simpsosn's fan, I have to comment on the Metallica cameo. Some have suggested that they just pop up randomly andand serve no purpose. Isn't that the role they have occupied since the years following the Black Album?

I just want to be sure my definition of cameo matches everyone else's. I consider it a cameo if they are not in the scene to draw attention to themselves as the person. I guess it's a bit different on the Simpsons since it's animated.

Good example A: Dustin Hoffman playing Lisa's substitute teacher who she has a crush on.

Good example B: Sara Gilbert (Darlene on Roseanne) doing the voice acting for bart's "girlfriend", Laura Powers in "New Kid on the Block." Did not even acknowledge that it was Sara Gilbert.

Good example C: Michael Jackson playing a fake version of himself when Homer gets committed to an asylum.

Bad example A: Bart's boy band sees Nsync, yells, "It's Nsync!" One of them says, "Worddd!," they do a stupid dance, and disappear. Why was that necessary?

Bad example B: Paul and Linda McCartney on Apu's roof in "Lisa the Vegetarian." It just seemed awkward and forced. I liked that they made the joke of asking Lisa if she wanted to hear a song and then expected Apu to play a song, so at least the producers admitted that it was a bit forced.

Bad example C: Kid Rock playing at spring break when The Simpsons go to Florida. The whole scene wasn't funny. It should have been cut probably.

So, it's not just Metallica.

There was an earlier thread about this (and I can't find it) but part of the discussion was that the celebrity guest spots used to slide in and still allow the episode to maintain a "timeless" quality while the appearances today are forced pop culture references that probably will seem even more horrible to watch 5 or 10 years down the road than they are today.

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I could be wrong, but I thought the definition of a cameo was a celebrity appearing as themselves. If that's correct, then your three "good examples" are not really cameos, but celebrity guest voices.

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Artemis
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quote:
Originally posted by CitizenAim:

Good example A: Dustin Hoffman playing Lisa's substitute teacher who she has a crush on.

I also liked this one, because Hoffman's credited as "Sam Etic" (Semetic). And of course "The Graduate" spoof.

Also, the X Files one was good, because they were actually incorporated into the plot.

I agree that the celebrities just showing up and being themselves is getting old. The one where they go to England is chock full of that. Also, Butch Patrick.

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quote:
Originally posted by CitizenAim:

Good example A: Dustin Hoffman playing Lisa's substitute teacher who she has a crush on.

I also liked this one, because Hoffman's credited as "Sam Etic" (Semetic). And of course "The Graduate" spoof.

Also, the X Files one was good, because they were actually incorporated into the plot.

I agree that the celebrities just showing up and being themselves is getting old. The one where they go to England is chock full of that. Also, Butch Patrick.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Also, when Bart was shaking down Krusty, I kept waiting for Krusty to go, "Hey, it's my former personal assistant, Bart!"

I consider shakedowns an inappropriate time for reminiscing. But I'm old-fashioned that way.

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I prefered Ringo Starr and George Harrison's cameos better. They weren't as forced.

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Webster says
Cameo: a small theatrical role usually performed by a well-known actor and often limited to a single scene; broadly : a brief appearance or role

The sites you listed above would be guest roles.

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I looked up cameo when I posted but I guess I took "role" too literally. I always thought it meant that the celebrity played a fictitious character.

Example: People often say that M. Night Shyamalan has cameo appearances in his own movies, however I've never seen him as himself in his movies. In Signs, he plays Ray Reddy and in The Sixth Sense, he plays Dr. Hill.

Or another example: When a famous band plays in a movie but is not truly perceived a famous band. They are playing the role of being a smaller, lesser known band. Often a band that is signed to a huge record label but is performing at a high school prom or a small event and no one seems to think anything of it. I can't think of a true example for that but I think it's a well-known phenomenon.

That's how I perceive a cameo. Anything else is just a "guest appearance."

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quote:
Originally posted by Anpan Rebochan:

And hey...did Otto even get his job back? They sure let that subplot peter out.

I'd like to know this myself after I got bored and decided to pay attention to the computer instead of the TV. I was wondering if they'd resolved that subplot somehow.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mizu:
quote:
Originally posted by Anpan Rebochan:

And hey...did Otto even get his job back? They sure let that subplot peter out.

I'd like to know this myself after I got bored and decided to pay attention to the computer instead of the TV. I was wondering if they'd resolved that subplot somehow.
Well, it was a "suspension... with pay" so after the suspension was over, he would go back to work. He wasn't fired this time.

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I think any show, especially a comedic one, deserves a certain amount of continuity reboot if it goes on for 18 seasons.

I mean imagine how hard it would be to write a story for the Simpsons if you have to factor in the plot baggage from previous 370+ episodes?

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
I think any show, especially a comedic one, deserves a certain amount of continuity reboot if it goes on for 18 seasons.

I mean imagine how hard it would be to write a story for the Simpsons if you have to factor in the plot baggage from previous 370+ episodes?

Well presumably, if it was that hard to write it for so long, the honorable thing would be to let it go out with a good series finale instead of beating it to death. Then if you think there's life in it, let it rest a few years so people are all happy when it comes back.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anpan Rebochan:
And hey...did Otto even get his job back? They sure let that subplot peter out.

It wasn't a subplot, but a plot vehicle. Basically, they needed a reason why the kids wouldn't be on the bus and Otto's suspension was the reason. There was no reason to continue with it as it had no other relation to the main plot.

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quote:
Originally posted by CitizenAim:

Bad example A: Bart's boy band sees Nsync, yells, "It's Nsync!" One of them says, "Worddd!," they do a stupid dance, and disappear. Why was that necessary?

Bad example B: Paul and Linda McCartney on Apu's roof in "Lisa the Vegetarian." It just seemed awkward and forced.

At least these two appearances had some relevance to the plot -- catalyzing events in A and teaching the moral lesson in B. Even Spinal Tap had some relevance to "Otto Show," by inspiring Bart to become a rock star (hilarity ensues).

I'll tell you what I'm waiting for in a Simpsons episode: one with dialogue comprised solely of old quotes. Y'know, the way most of us talk now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
quote:
Originally posted by CitizenAim:

Bad example A: Bart's boy band sees Nsync, yells, "It's Nsync!" One of them says, "Worddd!," they do a stupid dance, and disappear. Why was that necessary?

Bad example B: Paul and Linda McCartney on Apu's roof in "Lisa the Vegetarian." It just seemed awkward and forced.

At least these two appearances had some relevance to the plot -- catalyzing events in A and teaching the moral lesson in B. Even Spinal Tap had some relevance to "Otto Show," by inspiring Bart to become a rock star (hilarity ensues).

I'll tell you what I'm waiting for in a Simpsons episode: one with dialogue comprised solely of old quotes. Y'know, the way most of us talk now.

That would be the Best. Simpsons. Ever.

Re continuity- they made a joke of it when Marge listed all the 'dreams' that Homer ever had- going into space, etc.- "and you did all that!"
And wasn't there one about Mr Plow in an episode I saw the other day? :ponders:

Continuity normally really annoys me (there's an episode of Friends that makes me want to throw things at the screen. Rachel says "Oh yeah, Curious George! i remember him!". well, you should, you have a Curious George doll who is 'no longer curious' after Marcell funks him in the first series. Ugh.), but you can let it go in the Simpsons. The running joke about Mr burns and Krusty never remembering Homer or Bart is quite funny.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
quote:
Originally posted by CitizenAim:

Bad example A: Bart's boy band sees Nsync, yells, "It's Nsync!" One of them says, "Worddd!," they do a stupid dance, and disappear. Why was that necessary?

Bad example B: Paul and Linda McCartney on Apu's roof in "Lisa the Vegetarian." It just seemed awkward and forced.

At least these two appearances had some relevance to the plot -- catalyzing events in A and teaching the moral lesson in B. Even Spinal Tap had some relevance to "Otto Show," by inspiring Bart to become a rock star (hilarity ensues).

I'll tell you what I'm waiting for in a Simpsons episode: one with dialogue comprised solely of old quotes. Y'know, the way most of us talk now.

Haven't they done that? I don't remember the episode but it's a clip show episode where the entire family discusses the importance of romantic love and at the beginning it shows Marge and Homer in bed talking and everything is just pieced together cuts of old episodes. Nothing hilarious, but it ultimately leads to one of them throwing a book in a fireplace, which is actually some lotto ticket being thrown into a fireplace in an old episode and finally Marge commenting on how weird it is that they have a fireplace in their bedroom (they don't).

ETA: Season 6, Episode 3: "So It's Come to This.. Another Simpsons Clip Show"

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Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
I think any show, especially a comedic one, deserves a certain amount of continuity reboot if it goes on for 18 seasons.

I mean imagine how hard it would be to write a story for the Simpsons if you have to factor in the plot baggage from previous 370+ episodes?

Continuity reboots really only work comic books. When a show like The Simpsons, which is more or less set in the real world, cannot maintain continuity it is due to laziness on the part of the writers, IMHO.
And it is not like this is a new problem with the series. As early as season six, the story of how Homer learned of Marge's first pregnancy changed. In "I Married Marge", the third season, Homer learns of Marge's first pregnancy while at Doctor Heburt's office, but in "And Maggie Makes Three", season six, Homer learns of Marge's pregnancy while sitting on the couch at home.
BTW, for the longest time it seemed that I was the only person who thought The Simpsons needed to be put out to stud (Yoo-hoo, first stop Maude Flanders!). It is comforting to know that I am no longer alone in this opinion.

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