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MisterGrey
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I'm going to have to put forth an argument and say that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls is THE 80 New Wave song.
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quote:
Originally posted by MisterGrey:
I'm going to have to put forth an argument and say that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls is THE 80 New Wave song.

I'll never forget listening to the radio in my room, and when this song was over, the DJ said "That was I Ran by A Flock of Seagulls..." right as my dad came in my room. My dad asked, "And then what happened?"

Okay, not so funny, I guess you had to be there - my sister and I still crack up about this.

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quote:
Originally posted by kanazawa:
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How about "In the Mood" by Glenn Miller for the whole Swing thing?
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Yes! I was trying to think of the name of that song, and I didn't want to post "how about that swing song that goes 'dada dadadada dadadadada.'"

Here are some more:

Definitive Christmas carol (secular): White Christmas, by Irving Berlin.

Definitive Christmas carol (religious) Stille Nacht (Silent Night), by Mohr and Bruber

Definitive classical piano piece that ends up on cartoons: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 in C-sharp minor by Liszt.

Definitive classical piece fragment that is most over-used as a soundtrack in popular culture (a tie):

  1. Carmina Burana by Carl Orff

  2. Also Sprach Zarathustra, by Richard Strauss


Definitive opera: Aida by Verdi

Definitive Jewish folk dancing song: Hava Nagila.

Definitive Greek folk dancing song: Samiotisa.

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quote:
Originally posted by MisterGrey:
''Breakdown on Foggy Mountain''

You mean Foggy Mountain Breakdown, don't you?

Amazing Grace has to be the epitome of some sort of music. Bagpipe hymns, maybe?

Seaboe.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nick Theodorakis:

Definitive classical piece fragment that is most over-used as a soundtrack in popular culture (a tie):
  1. Carmina Burana by Carl Orff
  2. Also Sprach Zarathustra, by Richard Strauss


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Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
BTW--how would Cocteau Twins be considered Goth? I've heard them described as "dream pop" and "shoegazers" but never Goth...

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quote:
Originally posted by kanazawa:
Anyone going to take a stab at the Blues? I'd say "I'm Tore Down" by Freddie King, or maybe "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" by John Lee Hooker.

I did, way back in the very first response. I chose Robert Johnson's "Crossroads" because not only does it fit the standard AAB phrasing, but it created an entire mythology in both blues and rock circles.

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quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
quote:
Originally posted by HSSenior:
quote:
Originally posted by KaiTheInvader:
"This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy.
(I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)

whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.

Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.

doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry..
but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy

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I'll second Smells Like Teen Spirit for Grunge

Hard Rock = AC/DC Shook Me All Night Long
Rockabilly = Buddy Holly Peggy Sue...damn, now I've got the guitar break in my head!

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I'll second I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry for country and Crossroads for blues.
Metal: Iron Man by Sabbath
Corporate Rock: Come Sail Away by Styx
Punk: I Wanna Be Sedated by The Ramones
New Wave: Cars by Gary Newman, though I Ran is right there, too.
50's Rock & Roll: Jailhouse Rock by the King
Acid Rock: White Rabbit by The Jefferson Airplane
Americana (Roots Rock, whatever): The Weight by The Band
Hair Metal: Still Of The Night by Whitesnake
Southern Rock: Sweet Home Alabama by Skynyrd

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Fusion (jazz/rock) "Pick Up the Pieces" by Average White Band

Fusion (jazz/funk) "Gotta Lotta Shakalada" by The Crusaders.

Fusion (jazz/electronica) "Moments in Love" by The Art of Noise

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ThistleSoftware
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quote:
Originally posted by kanazawa:
quote:
Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
BTW--how would Cocteau Twins be considered Goth? I've heard them described as "dream pop" and "shoegazers" but never Goth...
Goth kids love them, that's how.

I guess a better example of the opposite of Marilyn Manson in the goth spectrum would be Switchblade Symphony.

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ThistleSoftware
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quote:
Originally posted by HSSenior:
quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
quote:
Originally posted by HSSenior:
quote:
Originally posted by KaiTheInvader:
"This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy.
(I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)

whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.

Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.

doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry..
but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy

Sisters of Mercy is a seminal 80s goth band, but they are sort of a precursor to the more techno/ dancey feel of modern goth. It's hard to say which sound has been more influential- Bauhaus has certainly influenced a lot of bands, many of which are goth, but they've also influenced numerous other genres. Sisters of Mercy's influence can almost exclusively be heard in gothe music, and can especially be heard in the very danceable sound of goth/ industrial from the 90s (at least to me). Even Rasputina and Marilyn Manson sound sort of SOM to me.

So I guess what I'm saying is I agree with KaitheInvader.

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I would say thatStrong Bad Summarizes Techno better than any "real" techno artist ever could. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
Hard Rock = AC/DC Shook Me All Night Long

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quote:
Originally posted by Monkster:
quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
Hard Rock = AC/DC Shook Me All Night Long

Thunderstruck
Personally, I love AC/DC, but, if I never heard "Shook Me..." again, it'd be too soon..."Thunderstruck" F-NFBSK ROCKS, I agree...I was trying to set personal opinions aside and give examples based upon -- perhaps -- a technical criteria (of which I've made-up in my own head and find impossible to articulate [lol] )

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quote:
Originally posted by Monkster:
quote:
Originally posted by Dogwater:
Hard Rock = AC/DC Shook Me All Night Long

Thunderstruck
Nah - Highway To Hell kicks both of those. [fish]

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"I Will Survive" Ultimate Girl-Power Anthem.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pondicherry Pi:
"I Will Survive" Ultimate Girl-Power Anthem.

Ironically, writeen by men.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cervus:
quote:
Originally posted by Nick Theodorakis:
Defintive something (mumble rock?): "Louie Louie" recorded by The Kingsmen.

I think this could fall under the category of definitive "Frat Rock", "Drunken College Party Anthem", or "Garage Band" song.
I think another example of this is that song "Shout"...it was featured in Animal House, after all...
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quote:
Originally posted by DemonWolf:
Classic Rock - "Old Time Rock and Roll" - Bob Seger

This might also fall into the category of Most Overplayed Song at a Wedding
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Lot of great suggestions here - particularly "I Ran" for 80s New Wave.

Personally, I think the ultimate gothic song would be Malice Mizer's "Seinaru Toki Eien no Inori" - just check out this live version. I mean, it's got operatic vocals, a pipe organ, electric guitars, people dressed in Victorian garb, a choir of nuns, and even a giant cathedral for a stage! [Smile]


ETA: OT, but someone mentioned "Toccata and Fugue in D minor" and now I have the theme from Gyruss (classic NES game) stuck in my head!

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quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
quote:
Originally posted by HSSenior:
quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
quote:
Originally posted by HSSenior:
quote:
Originally posted by KaiTheInvader:
"This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy.
(I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)

whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.

Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.

doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry..
but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy

Sisters of Mercy is a seminal 80s goth band, but they are sort of a precursor to the more techno/ dancey feel of modern goth. It's hard to say which sound has been more influential- Bauhaus has certainly influenced a lot of bands, many of which are goth, but they've also influenced numerous other genres. Sisters of Mercy's influence can almost exclusively be heard in gothe music, and can especially be heard in the very danceable sound of goth/ industrial from the 90s (at least to me). Even Rasputina and Marilyn Manson sound sort of SOM to me.

So I guess what I'm saying is I agree with KaitheInvader.

well, I was gonna put a response, but you pretty much covered it for me. while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.

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quote:
Originally posted by MisterGrey:
I'm going to have to put forth an argument and say that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls is THE 80 New Wave song.

I would have to agree with that, a good choice. Also, the definitive new wave hairstyles. So good, Chandler Bing even copied them.

Another one I'd like to nominate for prog-rock, would be "Close to the Edge" by Yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by KaiTheInvader:
while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.

Possibly by you youngsters. [Wink]

Siouxsie was the queen of Goth before SOM even released a track.

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Unintelligible, drunk, psychedelic metal: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (Iron Butterfly)
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quote:
Originally posted by Doc J.:
quote:
Originally posted by KaiTheInvader:
while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.

Possibly by you youngsters. [Wink]

Siouxsie was the queen of Goth before SOM even released a track.

Yes, but do all the rest of the goth bands now sound just like Siouxsie? No. And this is a thread about songs that have all of the elements of the genre. Of course anyone who knows their stuff loves Siouxsie and Bauhaus and so forth, but "This Corrosion" is easily recognizable as goth by anyone who is into goth, and even plebians (or whatever you call people who don't like goth)

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quote:
Originally posted by ThistleS:
"This Corrosion" is easily recognizable as goth by anyone

Indeed. But that isn't the same as claiming that SOM are some sort of benchmark.
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quote:
Originally posted by ericsmom:
quote:
Originally posted by DemonWolf:
Classic Rock - "Old Time Rock and Roll" - Bob Seger

This might also fall into the category of Most Overplayed Song at a Wedding
To be closely followed by "Celebration" and that damn electric slide song (Electric Boogie?)...

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Gawd, look what happens when I miss a day of snopes - so many comments, so little time:

quote:
Originally posted by Stoneage Dinosaur:


Prog: "Aqualung" - Jethro Tull

Except that there are no guitar or keyboard solos of note (especially considering what constitutes a guitar or keyboard solo in a prog work). Close to the Edge is certainly definitive, although I'd nominate Roundabout for most well known, and Heart of the Sunrise because Jon Anderson always introduces it as the most requested Yes song for performances.

quote:
Originally posted by Nick Theodorakis:

Definitive baroque toccata: "Toccata and Fugue in D minor" by J.S. Bach.

Are you aware of the growing consesnus that the D minor toccata and fugue probably wasn't even written by Bach (and, if it was, was probably a violin piece of his that was transcribed)?

quote:
Originally posted by kanazawa:
Fusion (jazz/rock) "Pick Up the Pieces" by Average White Band

Fusion (jazz/funk) "Gotta Lotta Shakalada" by The Crusaders.

Fusion (jazz/electronica) "Moments in Love" by The Art of Noise

That's a different definition of jazz/rock fusion than I'm used to. The usual suspects in the jazz rock fusion genre (among others) are Jean Luc Ponty, Spyrogyra, the Jeff Lorber Fusion, the Bill Bruford solo band of the late 70s, and the Dixie Dregs, from whom I'd nominate Take It Off The Top as most definitive.

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Power ballads massacared by cover after cover - Badfinger's 'Without You'

60's pseudo-nursery rhyme psychedelia - 'Piggies' by George Harrison

Way too experimental - Revolution 9

60's Eastern influence - Norweigan Wood (This Bird Has Flown)

Cheese Rock - I Think Therefore I Rock n' Roll by Ringo and the Roundheads

Hardcore Soft Rock - Jet by Wings

Covers that should never have been - William Shatner, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Covers that should never have been but turned out okay - The Ramones, Somebody to Love

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nice lists everyone...

Bad Pun Song - Wet Dream (Kip Adadda)

Parody - Eat It (Weird Al Yankovic)

Pure Fun - "Poisoning Pigeons In The Park" (Tom Lehrer)

Strangely Intellectual and funny at the same time - God Thinks (Voltaire)

Funniest Song about Star Trek - tie- Star Trekkin' (The Firm) and The USS Make S**t Up (Voltaire)

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Would songs featured in Chick Flicks count as a genre? If so, I nominate "Ain't No Mountain High Enough". Of course, a hair brush to sing into is a requirement
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"This Corrosion" is easily recognizable as goth by anyone

Indeed. But that isn't the same as claiming that SOM are some sort of benchmark.
I think you and Kai (and I) are claiming two completely different things. Kai and I agree that "This Corrosion" is the prototypical goth song. Kai then extended that claim to SOM being a protoypical goth group (if I understand the claim correctly). Then you countered with Siouxsie being the queen of goth. Okay, that she may be. But that doesn't make her music the most representative of the entire genre of goth, does it? Basically I think you are making a claim as to the quality of the music while we are making claims about how typical the music is of the genre.

Thistle "leave it to the goths to get pissy in a thread like this" S

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