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I'm going to have to put forth an argument and say that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls is THE 80 New Wave song.
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quote:Originally posted by MisterGrey: I'm going to have to put forth an argument and say that "I Ran" by Flock of Seagulls is THE 80 New Wave song.
I'll never forget listening to the radio in my room, and when this song was over, the DJ said "That was I Ran by A Flock of Seagulls..." right as my dad came in my room. My dad asked, "And then what happened?"
Okay, not so funny, I guess you had to be there - my sister and I still crack up about this.
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Amazing Grace has to be the epitome of some sort of music. Bagpipe hymns, maybe?
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quote: Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
BTW--how would Cocteau Twins be considered Goth? I've heard them described as "dream pop" and "shoegazers" but never Goth...
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quote:Originally posted by kanazawa: Anyone going to take a stab at the Blues? I'd say "I'm Tore Down" by Freddie King, or maybe "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer" by John Lee Hooker.
I did, way back in the very first response. I chose Robert Johnson's "Crossroads" because not only does it fit the standard AAB phrasing, but it created an entire mythology in both blues and rock circles.
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quote:Originally posted by KaiTheInvader: "This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy. (I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)
whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.
Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry.. but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy
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I'll second I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry for country and Crossroads for blues. Metal: Iron Man by Sabbath Corporate Rock: Come Sail Away by Styx Punk: I Wanna Be Sedated by The Ramones New Wave: Cars by Gary Newman, though I Ran is right there, too. 50's Rock & Roll: Jailhouse Rock by the King Acid Rock: White Rabbit by The Jefferson Airplane Americana (Roots Rock, whatever): The Weight by The Band Hair Metal: Still Of The Night by Whitesnake Southern Rock: Sweet Home Alabama by Skynyrd
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Fusion (jazz/rock) "Pick Up the Pieces" by Average White Band
Fusion (jazz/funk) "Gotta Lotta Shakalada" by The Crusaders.
Fusion (jazz/electronica) "Moments in Love" by The Art of Noise
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quote: Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
BTW--how would Cocteau Twins be considered Goth? I've heard them described as "dream pop" and "shoegazers" but never Goth...
Goth kids love them, that's how.
I guess a better example of the opposite of Marilyn Manson in the goth spectrum would be Switchblade Symphony.
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quote:Originally posted by KaiTheInvader: "This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy. (I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)
whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.
Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry.. but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy
Sisters of Mercy is a seminal 80s goth band, but they are sort of a precursor to the more techno/ dancey feel of modern goth. It's hard to say which sound has been more influential- Bauhaus has certainly influenced a lot of bands, many of which are goth, but they've also influenced numerous other genres. Sisters of Mercy's influence can almost exclusively be heard in gothe music, and can especially be heard in the very danceable sound of goth/ industrial from the 90s (at least to me). Even Rasputina and Marilyn Manson sound sort of SOM to me.
So I guess what I'm saying is I agree with KaitheInvader.
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quote:Originally posted by Dogwater: Hard Rock = AC/DC Shook Me All Night Long
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Personally, I love AC/DC, but, if I never heard "Shook Me..." again, it'd be too soon..."Thunderstruck" F-NFBSK ROCKS, I agree...I was trying to set personal opinions aside and give examples based upon -- perhaps -- a technical criteria (of which I've made-up in my own head and find impossible to articulate )
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quote:Originally posted by Pondicherry Pi: "I Will Survive" Ultimate Girl-Power Anthem.
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quote:Originally posted by Nick Theodorakis: Defintive something (mumble rock?): "Louie Louie" recorded by The Kingsmen.
I think this could fall under the category of definitive "Frat Rock", "Drunken College Party Anthem", or "Garage Band" song.
I think another example of this is that song "Shout"...it was featured in Animal House, after all...
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Lot of great suggestions here - particularly "I Ran" for 80s New Wave.
Personally, I think the ultimate gothic song would be Malice Mizer's "Seinaru Toki Eien no Inori" - just check out this live version. I mean, it's got operatic vocals, a pipe organ, electric guitars, people dressed in Victorian garb, a choir of nuns, and even a giant cathedral for a stage!
ETA: OT, but someone mentioned "Toccata and Fugue in D minor" and now I have the theme from Gyruss (classic NES game) stuck in my head!
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quote:Originally posted by KaiTheInvader: "This Corrosion" by Sisters of Mercy is the ultimate definition of a goth song. actually, anything by Sisters of Mercy. (I just came off a really long rant about how no one can even do anything remotely "gothic" anymore without getting compared to them, so I'm a bit bitter right now. still like the band though.)
whadya bout stuff by Bahaus? Note: just listened to a sample of em and they seem more techno/ new wave goth to me
Bauhaus seems like techno/ new wave goth? I'm not sure what those genres mean, but Bauhaus is one of the original English goth bands, so early in fact that they were considered punk. Their golden years were '77-'83.
Goth is a hard one to define because it really describes the visual aesthetic and lyrical content of the band much more than the musical style. Cocteau Twins and Marilyn Manson are both considered goth.
doh! I meant to say I listened to a sample of Sisters of Mercy! sorry.. but yeah, I'd say Bahuaus is more.gothy
Sisters of Mercy is a seminal 80s goth band, but they are sort of a precursor to the more techno/ dancey feel of modern goth. It's hard to say which sound has been more influential- Bauhaus has certainly influenced a lot of bands, many of which are goth, but they've also influenced numerous other genres. Sisters of Mercy's influence can almost exclusively be heard in gothe music, and can especially be heard in the very danceable sound of goth/ industrial from the 90s (at least to me). Even Rasputina and Marilyn Manson sound sort of SOM to me.
So I guess what I'm saying is I agree with KaitheInvader.
well, I was gonna put a response, but you pretty much covered it for me. while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.
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quote:Originally posted by KaiTheInvader: while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.
Possibly by you youngsters.
Siouxsie was the queen of Goth before SOM even released a track.
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quote:Originally posted by KaiTheInvader: while bauhaus does have a more goth sound at times, sisters of mercy is pointed at as the definitive goth band, the one by which all other goth bands are compared to.
Possibly by you youngsters.
Siouxsie was the queen of Goth before SOM even released a track.
Yes, but do all the rest of the goth bands now sound just like Siouxsie? No. And this is a thread about songs that have all of the elements of the genre. Of course anyone who knows their stuff loves Siouxsie and Bauhaus and so forth, but "This Corrosion" is easily recognizable as goth by anyone who is into goth, and even plebians (or whatever you call people who don't like goth)
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Gawd, look what happens when I miss a day of snopes - so many comments, so little time:
quote:Originally posted by Stoneage Dinosaur:
Prog: "Aqualung" - Jethro Tull
Except that there are no guitar or keyboard solos of note (especially considering what constitutes a guitar or keyboard solo in a prog work). Close to the Edge is certainly definitive, although I'd nominate Roundabout for most well known, and Heart of the Sunrise because Jon Anderson always introduces it as the most requested Yes song for performances.
quote:Originally posted by Nick Theodorakis: Definitive baroque toccata: "Toccata and Fugue in D minor" by J.S. Bach.
Are you aware of the growing consesnus that the D minor toccata and fugue probably wasn't even written by Bach (and, if it was, was probably a violin piece of his that was transcribed)?
quote:Originally posted by kanazawa: Fusion (jazz/rock) "Pick Up the Pieces" by Average White Band
Fusion (jazz/funk) "Gotta Lotta Shakalada" by The Crusaders.
Fusion (jazz/electronica) "Moments in Love" by The Art of Noise
That's a different definition of jazz/rock fusion than I'm used to. The usual suspects in the jazz rock fusion genre (among others) are Jean Luc Ponty, Spyrogyra, the Jeff Lorber Fusion, the Bill Bruford solo band of the late 70s, and the Dixie Dregs, from whom I'd nominate Take It Off The Top as most definitive.
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Power ballads massacared by cover after cover - Badfinger's 'Without You'
60's pseudo-nursery rhyme psychedelia - 'Piggies' by George Harrison
Way too experimental - Revolution 9
60's Eastern influence - Norweigan Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
Cheese Rock - I Think Therefore I Rock n' Roll by Ringo and the Roundheads
Hardcore Soft Rock - Jet by Wings
Covers that should never have been - William Shatner, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Covers that should never have been but turned out okay - The Ramones, Somebody to Love
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Pure Fun - "Poisoning Pigeons In The Park" (Tom Lehrer)
Strangely Intellectual and funny at the same time - God Thinks (Voltaire)
Funniest Song about Star Trek - tie- Star Trekkin' (The Firm) and The USS Make S**t Up (Voltaire)
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Would songs featured in Chick Flicks count as a genre? If so, I nominate "Ain't No Mountain High Enough". Of course, a hair brush to sing into is a requirement
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quote:Originally posted by ThistleS: "This Corrosion" is easily recognizable as goth by anyone
Indeed. But that isn't the same as claiming that SOM are some sort of benchmark.
I think you and Kai (and I) are claiming two completely different things. Kai and I agree that "This Corrosion" is the prototypical goth song. Kai then extended that claim to SOM being a protoypical goth group (if I understand the claim correctly). Then you countered with Siouxsie being the queen of goth. Okay, that she may be. But that doesn't make her music the most representative of the entire genre of goth, does it? Basically I think you are making a claim as to the quality of the music while we are making claims about how typical the music is of the genre.
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