quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: -I cannot count the number of times people shock a person in asystole (flat line). Fact of the matter is you cannot shock that rythm.
Well, you could shock them, it just won't bring them back. Plus we get to see them jump off the table a few more times. Sometimes they try to explain why they are doing it (family is watching and they don't want it to seem that they've given up, doctor refuses to let go, etc.) but I do agree that medical stuff is often screwed up in films in TV.
I would often go see movies or watch TV with my mom (who was an RN for almost 30 years) and on they way home she would just rattle off all of the mistakes they made, and what equipment they used wrong, and what they were supposed to do, and so on. Of course I did the same thing with technology and science so it balanced out
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: I skimmed a bit, apologies if mentioned:
-In the movies, but more in television, peoples friends just wander into their homes and help themselves to their food. Does this happen with anybody else? Even my close friends knock when they show up unless I tell them otherwise, and I cannot imagine one of them just going to my fridge to get food/drink without at least asking, but maybe I'm unique.
I tend to let my friends know when I'm coming round, so I don't knock when I get there. There's no point in them getting up if the door's open. I just walk in and call out to them. They don't mind. If I were getting a drink then I'd say "i'm just getting a drink" but I don't need to ask if i can have one. Also, if i'm going round in the evening then I might bring some food and cook it there- but I would ask if i could use a saucepan first.
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I tend to giggle a lot when I watch medical dramas of any kind and someone has to do CPR. (I've been certified since age 13, and, well, they do it wrong. Really, really wrong.)
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jessboo, you're from the south. It's meant to be northerners who behave like that...
If I'm expecting friends I usually leave my front door open because my doorbell doesn't work very well, and so they might not be able to get in if I don't. I don't think many of my friends would go through the fridge without asking though, although I wouldn't care if they did. Actually I'd rather people helped themselves to drinks and stuff, especially if there's a group, because I might be too busy with other things to offer them one. I hate it when people just sit there wanting something but don't ask, and half an hour later I realise that they've been wanting a beer all that time but hadn't said so because they didn't want one when I asked thirtyfive minutes ago.
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quote:Originally posted by Zorro: I've been certified since age 13, and, well, they do it wrong. Really, really wrong.
You mean thumping them roughly on the chest three times (while muttering "Don't leave me!" under your breath) won't revive someone who has been shot, stabbed, attacked by a killer whale and run over by a truck??!?
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Sometimes they do "CPR" (or at least, start punching somebody in the chest) when they should be doing mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, like when somebody has stopped breathing after being hauled out of the water. The actor will just start punching them in the chest without even checking for a pulse. I saw this on Lost the other day.
When did that start happening in films and TV, anyway? I learnt mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in Cubs and it seemed like that was used correctly on TV on the whole; we never did anything approaching "heart massage" yet suddenly a few years later everybody on TV starts trying to break each other's ribs on the slightest pretext. I wouldn't even know what I'd be trying to achieve by it if I was to do that in reality...
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quote:Originally posted by Richard W: jessboo, you're from the south. It's meant to be northerners who behave like that...
What's with the northerner bashing?
Do you wanna fight?
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: -Whenever a woman in a non "R" movie gets out of bed post sex she is always wearing bottoms and often covers up her chest with her hand or a sheet or something.. I don't seem to recall too much modesty post-sex with women I've been with, maybe its just me though.
I do this all the time. My bf finds it very amusing.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: People who wake up after a nights sleep and look perfectly primped, this goes double for women who often wake up with full makeup and hair.
I had an ex that did this. Have no idea how, but she could sleep through the night without messing up her hair or makeup...
quote:I made a whole thread on this one once, but when kids survive a movie that there is simply no way they would have survived, and often we get no explanation as to how. I mean I'm not all for killing kids, but either give us a reason why they lived, kill them off, or don't put them in.. THe two worst offenders off the top of my head are Aliens and Jurrasic Park III.
This was explained in the Director's Cut of Aliens, but was cut in the theatrical version for the sake of time.
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quote:I remember the shark electrocuting scene from Deep Blue Sea being looked at on a show called Hollywood Science. It faired fairly well as bring plausable comapaired to some other sequences they looked at.
I don't know what they examined in that show, but I have no doubt about the ability to kill the shark with the electric line. I question the ability for a dripping wet female to remain insulated by standing on her equally dripping and drenched wetsuit.
I learned why this works from my kids. It is one of the main laws of Anime: "The less clothing a female character has on, the better protected she is from damage/death/injury".
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quote:Originally posted by Richard W: jessboo, you're from the south. It's meant to be northerners who behave like that...
What's with the northerner bashing?
Do you wanna fight?
Richard, you've got it all wrong. In the north of England, people don't go to friends' houses and help themselves to stuff.
They do it to strangers, who have gone out for the evening.
I'm gonna hit you so hard; your children will be born bruised!
(sniff) Stop picking on the northern monkeys or I'll tell my Mum
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quote:Originally posted by Griffin 2020: Originally posted by Mickey Blue: People who wake up after a nights sleep and look perfectly primped, this goes double for women who often wake up with full makeup and hair.
quote: I had an ex that did this. Have no idea how, but she could sleep through the night without messing up her hair or makeup...
She got up before you every day, fixed herself, then got back into bed and pretended to be asleep.
She must really have wanted to impress you; that behavior doesn't usually last very long...
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A fairly common nit I've seen are old British phones ringing with an old American ring. British phones used to acutally ring with a "Tring Tring" in the same pattern as the ringing tone, rather than a bring-a-ring-a-ring typical of older American phones.
I guess a few sound effects engineers are just using an old American phone ring from a SFX disc labeled as old phone (ringing).
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In the same vein I'm tired of movies using the old analog "dial tone" sound to represent when a cell phone can't get a signal.
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quote: Also, along the lines of the generic bad guy who is killed by any wound, while main characters will take punishment of epic proportions without slowing down, is those people killed by ninja stars. I'm pretty sure that even someone as skinny as me can take an inch of metal to the chest without being killed instantly, let alone SILENTLY!
I would agree with you, if not for the fact that traditionally, those ninja stars are dipped with poison (fugu, mostly). So, it's not far-fetched at all.
Not movies or TV, but comics: one of my pet peeves about american comics is that their artists still haven't made their research about how a french cop looks like. In the first issue of 52, the french cop in Paris looked like a 19th century cop. Uniforms have changed a lot since then. For example (despite what Alias showed), cops and gendarmes don't wear those ridiculous capes anymore. Cops wear flat caps and not kepis. And so on. It's not as if there were not pictures of french cops around the internet to use (the site of the french police nationale certainly has some). Pure lazyness is my guess.
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If the "inch of metal" part is accurate, then they wouldn't have to be dipped in poison - an inch deep chest wound could easily kill.
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quote:Originally posted by Richard W: If the "inch of metal" part is accurate, then they wouldn't have to be dipped in poison - an inch deep chest wound could easily kill.
Yes, but... instantly? That's the perversion of reality.
It would be more like Will Farrell's character in Austin Powers. "I'm still alive, just very badly wounded!"
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quote:Originally posted by Zorro: I tend to giggle a lot when I watch medical dramas of any kind and someone has to do CPR. (I've been certified since age 13, and, well, they do it wrong. Really, really wrong.)
Zor "No, it really won't work with your arms bent, silly!" ro
I can kind of forgive them keeping their arms bent. To do real CPR on a conscious, healthy would hurt like a son of a gun and might break ribs.
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quote:To do real CPR on a conscious, healthy would hurt like a son of a gun and might break ribs.
So get a dummy for cryin' out loud! We learned on Rescue Annie, get her in there! That was always something that bothered me, too, especially in something like "ER" or "Grey's Anatomy."
Onto the dialtones, anytime a phone is cut off or someone hangs up, the dial tone or "Waa-Waa" signal of a phone off the hook is immediately heard.
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quote:So get a dummy for cryin' out loud! We learned on Rescue Annie, get her in there!
You would honestly find it more realistic if they were doing actual CPR on a dummy in a movie scene thats supposed to be a person, then if they faked CPR on a real person? I am a CPR instructor and even I'll forgive the bent arms but I'm not gonna buy Rescue Annie as a real person.
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned before: I was watching CSI and the tech had a scanned photo (from a film negative) that he was enhancing the out of focus parts to make them perfectly in focus. Not possible. Period.
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quote:quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So get a dummy for cryin' out loud! We learned on Rescue Annie, get her in there! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You would honestly find it more realistic if they were doing actual CPR on a dummy in a movie scene thats supposed to be a person, then if they faked CPR on a real person? I am a CPR instructor and even I'll forgive the bent arms but I'm not gonna buy Rescue Annie as a real person.
When they're not showing the actor's face or something, which is what they do most of the time, yeah. They can view in on the real actor for close-ups. I think it's better to have the CPR look realistic than for people to say, oh, it's a dummy. But I do understand that it's probably a cost factor and it's something that will never be corrected. So it's one of those things that I live with. I'm sure it must kill you as an instructor to see that all the time.
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There might be an "imitation factor" there too. I understand that real CPR (is that also what used to be called "heart massage" or is that something else?) is pretty hard to do, quite dangerous for anybody untrained, and should only be used in quite specific situations. Since thumping people in the chest now seems to be the default TV "first aid" no matter what's actually wrong with the person, it would be quite easy for viewers to get the impression that that's what they're meant to do if they find an injured person.
So the film-makers might deliberately want to make the thing that might be copied less dangerous, even if it's less realistic. I hardly think it looks realistic anyway since it's usually not at all obvious why the hell they're doing it.
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(Sorry if this waffles but I've had problems with posts not appearing, even after refresshing the cache. In one case it was probably a Good Thing (TM) as I was unusually vhemenant, but in this case I can safely repost.)
Actually a lot of the first aid reccomendations have shifted in recent years. (I'll try and pull up some sources later) While it used to warn people away from breaking ribs, now they aren't quite so cautious. I've also noticed that there appears to be less caution when it comes to ensuring that there is no pulse, and a number of sources now recommend going to full chest compressions if there is any doubt.
Having said this I think a lot of the changes are for situations in which the person conducting CPR may not have full medical training.
quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: I made a whole thread on this one once, but when kids survive a movie that there is simply no way they would have survived, and often we get no explanation as to how. I mean I'm not all for killing kids, but either give us a reason why they lived, kill them off, or don't put them in.. THe two worst offenders off the top of my head are Aliens and Jurrasic Park III.
Aliens? Do you mean the movie where one child survives, while her brother and many other children not only die, but suffer horribly (off-screen, mostly)?
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I lived in Alaska until I was 17, and I have to say, Northern Exposure used to bother me a fair amount. When everything thaws in the spring, no one calls it "meltdown" - it's "break up"!
Then, my family moved to Reno, which does not have palm trees, contrary to what Reno 911 would have you believe. Vegas, on the other hand, is full of them.
Finally, I'm now a student at Caltech, and now my pet peeve is the show Numb3rs. There's a lot of idiotic quotes and misinterpreted concepts in there. Plus, they inconvenience me with their filming when I'm trying to get to class - let the real Techers through!
quote:Originally posted by mgbdriver: Forgive me if this has been mentioned before: I was watching CSI and the tech had a scanned photo (from a film negative) that he was enhancing the out of focus parts to make them perfectly in focus. Not possible. Period.
Not to the degree depicted in the show, of course, but actually, the same kind of mathematics that allows you to "reconstruct" an image via Cat Scan X-rays can allow you to "unblur" a photo...somewhat. You can actually digitize the photo, and "reverse" the out-of-focus blurring process, to recover information that, according to classical understanding, was lost forever.
(This only works for "systematic" blurring -- i.e., a camera lens that is focussed at an incorrect distance. It wouldn't work for "random" blurring, such as a picture taken through a lens that had been smeared with baby oil.)
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quote:Originally posted by Lonely Mountain: - I hate invincible cars in movies. You see cars jump bridges, run over tables and chairs, and go down stone steps, and even flips and cartwheels without a single flat tire, broken axle, dent, ding or scratch on the thing.
Well, it looks like those Duke boys have really got themselves in a pickle now!
For some unknown reason, my kids really took a liking to "Wild Wild West" - the gawd-awful Will Smith movie, not the unrealistic but amusing Robert Conrad TV show. I can handle the TV show, with Migalito Loveless inventing TV in the 1800s, etc. I can't handle Will Smith about to be linched, talking about drumming on a white ladie's boobies. I might not be able to tell a 747 from a DC-10, but I know:
A black man wouldn't have done that to a white woman and have expected to live in that time
People speaking then wouldn't have used the slang words used in the movie
This was the worst overacting of Kevin Klein's career
On a similar note, it annoys the nfbsk out of me when accents and speach patterns don't fit. For example, Kevin Costner in Robin Hood: Prince of Theives. Another example: the 1998 version of Man In the Iron Mask. Between the four musketeers and the king, you have 5 different accents. How could a movie with Jeremy Irons, John Malkovich, and Gabriel Byrne suck so much? I didn't expect anything out of Leonardo DiCraprio; the best character (and the one that fit the rest of the movie the best) was Gerard Depardieu.
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quote:That's not weird at all. Its very common for a good sonar tech to be able to identify an individual ship by the sound of its propeller
True, but they would more ident it as "November Class #3", and would then tell the Captain, who might, or might not have the intel who is captain of that certain ship. What I mean is the SUDDEN appearance of a sub as blip on the "Sodar" and the skipper just takes a glance at it and knows exactly who it is.
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quote: I understand that real CPR (is that also what used to be called "heart massage" or is that something else?) is pretty hard to do, quite dangerous for anybody untrained, and should only be used in quite specific situations.
Its not that hard, the german Red Cross has mandatory First Aid/CPR Classes one has to take before even being allowed to get a drivers license. And since there are millions of people on the roads in germany and not all are intelligent but ALL have that training, you can imagine it is not too hard. Is it dangerous? Depends on what you mean with dangerous. You can indeed crack the ribs of the one to receive CPR very easily, but since the only other alternative is a slow decomposition within a grave due to death that "risk" is usually taken. And yeah, there ARE specific conditions: No pulse. Then you use CPR. If the heart is still pumping, you're not pushing.
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quote:Originally posted by Lonely Mountain: - I hate invincible cars in movies. You see cars jump bridges, run over tables and chairs, and go down stone steps, and even flips and cartwheels without a single flat tire, broken axle, dent, ding or scratch on the thing.
And yet will burst into flames, flames that spring forth from under the hood and in the passenger capacity instead of the gas tank as often as not, if hit by a single .22 bullet or if it runs off the road.
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In nearly every movie or TV show set in Australia (especially those made for foreign audiences), the local wildlife seems to exist in plague proportions.
I'm sure overseas vistors expect to see kangaroos hopping down suburban streets, wombats in the front gardens and a koala hanging out of every damn gum tree. Granted, we do have rather unique fauna here, but they take some finding. We're not kicking marsupials out of the way going to the letterbox. After the tenth Frilled-necked Lizard I feel like shouting at the screen "OK, I get it, it's set in Australia."
Biggest culprit I can think of, off the top of my head, was the film "Sirens", which I only watched out of an interest in Norman Lindsay...honestly
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