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I have tripped while pregnant and carrying my infant daughter. I didn't have anyone to catch me, though. And I suppose I looked about like she did afterward, too. This isn't an act if stupidity or ignorance, just an accident.
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Yeah, I feel sorry for her too after seeing those pictures. I can sympathize since I fell once while carrying my baby (and still feel the guilt to this day.) I've never liked those kind of pants that look like whoever's wearing them is going to trip over them any moment. Those and the shoes don't make for the most stable walking. She sure looks like it gave her quite a scare. Too bad she doesn't trust nannies anymore, it looks like she could really use some help. It's only going to get worse when kid # 2 comes along.
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quote:Originally posted by alicia: god, i can't believe that anyone would even suggest that just because she's rich, she should hire people full time to take care of her child.
You misunderstand. No said she should hire a full-time nanny simply because she can afford it; they said she should hire a full-time nanny because she can afford it and because she doesn't seem to know what she's doing.
quote: i think it's commendable that she puts so much effort into parenting, and i think the amount of press she gets because of her mistakes just proves that she's doing more herself than most famous parents do! you never hear anything like this with other celebrities' children because they all have teams of people taking care of their kids for them!
Actually, Britney has had a nanny in the past, as someone pointed out above. And I'm not convinced that nannies are universal among celebrities.
quote:ALL parents make mistakes. GOOD parents make mistakes. even the best parents mess up- drop their kids on accident, or whatever, and they don't have to deal with people harassing them every second they leave the house. blah, i could go on.
Well, you're certainly right about that. But if she's doing things that seem genuinely dangerous, should we ignore them because she's famous? I'd be equally appalled by some of these things if I saw a non-famous mom do them. The part about having to have a doctor tell her not to leave the kid on a high surface he could roll off, for example. That's pretty basic mommy stuff.
quote:as for the car seat issue, whatever. i certainly can't pretend to be an expert on car seats, but maybe after i have my child i can climb up on a high horse and feel superior to britney spears like everyone else seems to.
Using a car seat incorrectly (or not at all) can lead to a child's severe injury or death. I reserve the right to take it seriously and be appalled by it, whoever's doing it. It's got nothing to do with feeling superior.
Well, maybe a little, but really, do we need car-seat mistakes to feel superior to Britney Spears?
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Ahh, man I feel so bad for her. I know I wouldn't want cameras fallowing me around 24/7 and catching every "oops" or "duh" moment I had. Poor girl.
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quote:Originally posted by alicia: god, i can't believe that anyone would even suggest that just because she's rich, she should hire people full time to take care of her child.
Where has anyone said that? A nanny was suggested as a way to help her avoid these parenting mistakes because of her celebrity status and the attention she receives. No one stated that she should hire people full time to raise her child, only that someone experienced in child care can help her to avoid these mistakes.
quote: i think it's commendable that she puts so much effort into parenting, and i think the amount of press she gets because of her mistakes just proves that she's doing more herself than most famous parents do! you never hear anything like this with other celebrities' children because they all have teams of people taking care of their kids for them!
Really? All other celebrities hire teams of people to take care of their kids for them? I'm going to need a cite for that please. There are many, many celebrities who raise their children by themselves without "teams of people." Brittany has shown that she needs help to do this (and stated almost as much) and a nanny, in her case, would be something she would be able to use as a resource.
quote: ALL parents make mistakes. GOOD parents make mistakes. even the best parents mess up- drop their kids on accident, or whatever, and they don't have to deal with people harassing them every second they leave the house. blah, i could go on.
True, sooo very true. So why the issue with her seeking support and help to ensure that she doesn't have to have this type of negative press following her around to make sure she looks (and possibly feels) like a bad mother?
quote: as for the car seat issue, whatever. i certainly can't pretend to be an expert on car seats, but maybe after i have my child i can climb up on a high horse and feel superior to britney spears like everyone else seems to.
Wha? These are the guidelines for the use of carseats. They are printed on the box, the instruction manual, and the tags attached to the seat. How can anyone be on a "high horse" for pointing out information that is easily attainable and pratically listed in any Baby and Me book?
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quote:Wha? These are the guidelines for the use of carseats. They are printed on the box, the instruction manual, and the tags attached to the seat. How can anyone be on a "high horse" for pointing out information that is easily attainable and pratically listed in any Baby and Me book?
it's already been stated that none of us know the height and weight of her child. he could be too large for a rear-facing seat. she believed she was within the legal safety guidelines when she put him in that seat.
as for everything else- do you ever see headlines about other celebrities doing dumb shit with their babies? no, because they aren't the ones taking care of them, they just pose for photo ops. if there were cameras following around 90% of the mothers in this country the way they follow around britney spears, there would be a whole lot of front page 'bad mothers.'
people screw up all the time, that doesn't mean you should harass them for it. i'm sure she's asking for help, does she have to issue a press release to let you know whose advice she is obtaining so YOU feel better about it?
leave her alone! god, the poor women has to be married to k-fed, for crying out loud.
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If her baby was too large for his seat, buy another one! They make seats that are rear-facing upwards of 33 pounds and 36", much bigger than any 9 month old can be.
At least the good that's come out of this is Britney has become a shining example of what NOT to do with a child. I hope millions more parents know more about proper carseat installation because of this.
And did you just say "k-fed"? lol....
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quote:Originally posted by magpie: It's not the law that you need to have your child rear-facing, just like it's not the law that you need to put your baby on it's back to sleep for the first few months to prevent SIDS. But when someone does something irresposible, legal or not, yeah I'm gonna shake my head and mutter something.
It is not a law, but per the CHP, infant seats are installed rear-facing only. She is probably using a convertible seat, but she can still be ticketed for the seat facing the wrong direction.
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quote:Originally posted by alicia: as for everything else- do you ever see headlines about other celebrities doing dumb shit with their babies? no, because they aren't the ones taking care of them, they just pose for photo ops.
I am still going to need a cite for that. Just because they aren't in the news does not automatically mean that there are others taking care of their children.
You incorrectly believed that others posting here think that because Brittany has money she should hire a nanny, but you are clearly stating that because other celebrities have money that they are hiring nannys to help them out. Where's kettle when you need him?
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quote:Wha? These are the guidelines for the use of carseats. They are printed on the box, the instruction manual, and the tags attached to the seat. How can anyone be on a "high horse" for pointing out information that is easily attainable and pratically listed in any Baby and Me book?
it's already been stated that none of us know the height and weight of her child. he could be too large for a rear-facing seat.
It's also been stated that the guidelines are based on weight and age. We do, in fact, know the age of her baby, and an 8YO should be in a rear-facing carseat. Yes, some posters in this thread have indicated they did not follow those guidelines, but that doesn't change what the guidelines are.
quote:she believed she was within the legal safety guidelines when she put him in that seat.
Did you read her mind, or did she tell her that? No one is suggesting that she knew the guidelines and ignored them: we suggested that she does not understand them.
quote:as for everything else- do you ever see headlines about other celebrities doing dumb shit with their babies? no, because they aren't the ones taking care of them, they just pose for photo ops.
Or maybe they're just not doing as many stupid things as Britney is. She's very young, she's not well-educated, and frankly I don't think she's very bright. Doesn't mean she doesn't love her kid, doesn't mean she can't be a good mom -- but she may need more help than she's getting.
You have no proof that she's the only celebrity who takes care of her own kid. And one more time: she had a nanny.
quote: if there were cameras following around 90% of the mothers in this country the way they follow around britney spears, there would be a whole lot of front page 'bad mothers.'
I'll have to ask for the cite that proves 90% of mothers don't use car seats correctly and don't know better than to leave their child on a high surface s/he can roll off.
And you're missing the point. The point is not that no other mothers ever make mistakes: the point is that Britney seems overwhelmed, and she could use some help, especially with another baby coming. It's not like K-Fed is much help.
quote:people screw up all the time, that doesn't mean you should harass them for it. i'm sure she's asking for help, does she have to issue a press release to let you know whose advice she is obtaining so YOU feel better about it?
leave her alone! god, the poor women has to be married to k-fed, for crying out loud.
We're not harrassing her, we're talking about her on a message board.
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So yes, she had a nanny (reportedly present with Kevin when the baby tumbled out of his chair), who got fired, and now has another one.
I do feel bad for her recent trip and almost-fall, but there is no excuse for THIS "outfit". I should post in the "Pure Fashion" thread over in soap box!
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*Groans*
I could set up a traffic stop on any stretch of road in this country and find a huge percentage of children put into carseats improperly. Does anyone here suggest that every such child should be turned over to protective services?
Seriously can any parent on this board claim that if they had photographers following them around everytime they stepped foot out of their house that they would never be caught doing anything that technically broke the "rules" of safety regarding children?
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quote:Originally posted by mattie: I do feel bad for her recent trip and almost-fall, but there is no excuse for THIS "outfit". I should post in the "Pure Fashion" thread over in soap box!
My eyes hurt. Okay, she's got the nanny. Now, girlfriend needs to add a stylist to the payroll.
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quote:Originally posted by Joe Bentley: Seriously can any parent on this board claim that if they had photographers following them around everytime they stepped foot out of their house that they would never be caught doing anything that technically broke the "rules" of safety regarding children?
No, which may be why no parent here has suggested any such thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Lainie:
quote:Originally posted by Joe Bentley: Seriously can any parent on this board claim that if they had photographers following them around everytime they stepped foot out of their house that they would never be caught doing anything that technically broke the "rules" of safety regarding children?
No, which may be why no parent here has suggested any such thing.
Then why is everyone so hung up about Spears doing it?
I mean seriously I'm not supporting improper use of a car seat but its not like she's coating the kid in gravy and leaving it alone with a wolverine or something.
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quote:It's also been stated that the guidelines are based on weight and age. We do, in fact, know the age of her baby, and an 8YO should be in a rear-facing carseat. ~snip
That is a missprint, right?
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Joe, by using a car seat improperly or not at all, she is endangering her child. As for her tripping and almost falling, that was an accident. Yes, she needs to be careful now that she is pregnant again. I personally think those jeans like that are a disaster waiting to happen. I never have liked anything loose around my ankles. I see plenty of people walking around with those kinds of jeans and wearing flipflops. Not very safe on the campus around here since there's lots of stairs, hills, and slick sidewalks. Still, people are going to do stupid things. They just don't always make the news.
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quote:Originally posted by Karmyn: Joe, by using a car seat improperly or not at all, she is endangering her child.
According to the NHTSA almost 80% of children are improperly restrained.
Which means you'd be hard pressed to find a parent who hasn't misused a childseat at somepoint.
So if this incident brings Britney Spear's parenting ability into question, its a question that should be asked of a huge percentage of parents in this country.
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quote:I mean seriously I'm not supporting improper use of a car seat but its not like she's coating the kid in gravy and leaving it alone with a wolverine or something.
that definitely made me lol.
yeah seriously though, my point isn't that she's an awesome mother or that she is a super rad person, my point is that she's a human being that is making the same mistakes everyone else makes as a new parent and she's entitled to do so. god forbid she learn how to be a mother like everyone else did- by trial and error. it's unfortunate that she is being singled out because of the fact that she's followed by a pack of rabid photographers everywhere she goes. i'm sure that for every picture of her looking slovenly and confused, there are 10 of her looking happy and competent that aren't being printed because they don't sell magazines. i just think it's lame that people (not just people on this board, people on other messageboards/communities/blogs/gossip columns) are giving her such a hard time for acting like what she is: a NEW MOTHER. and even if she does have a nanny that doesn't mean she's not still going to screw up every once in awhile- see the earlier part of my post about her being a human being, not a child-bearing robot.
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quote:Originally posted by Joe Bentley: I mean seriously I'm not supporting improper use of a car seat but its not like she's coating the kid in gravy and leaving it alone with a wolverine or something.
Dude, thank you.
Not only did I laugh, but the image of Hugh "Wolverine" Jackman that popped into my mind replaced the last picture of her outfit.
Whew! Much better! [...just leave me alone with THAT Wolverine...]
Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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quote:Originally posted by YeeMum, tossing cookies: Lainie said:
quote:It's also been stated that the guidelines are based on weight and age. We do, in fact, know the age of her baby, and an 8YO should be in a rear-facing carseat. ~snip
That is a missprint, right?
No. It keeps them in line. You just have to buy a REALLY big carseat. `
I did see a billboard that said kids should be in a car seat or booster seat until they reach 4'9". Is that a typo? 'Cause DD is 13 and she just now hit 4'11".
Alicia, I think you have some very interesting points to make, but I find your posts difficult to read. Perhaps you could try capitalizing at the beginning of a sentence, and using some commas. I know the posting style you're using is common on some message boards, but it isn't the convention here.
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I feel bad for Britney and her near fall, but one thing I am curious about. She almost dropped the baby, but did she drop the glass? In some of the pics it seems she's still holding it. My first instinct would be to drop what ever was in my other hand to grab the baby.
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quote:Originally posted by candy from strangers: From the article Ciara linked to:
quote:Britney also reportedly hired a doctor to advise her on how to keep her tot safe. “The doctor advised her not to leave Preston on any high surfaces where he could roll off,” an insider told the ITW,
It is incredibly sad that she needed a doctor to tell her that.
It may seem obvious advice but my mother (midwife of 25 years) has many, many tales of bright women who nevertheless do exactly that - placing babies on changing tables or on beds and then experiencing the trauma of seeing their baby rolling off them. Apparently the little suckers can move a lot quicker than might reasonably be expected.
I think its sound advice and well worth giving to every new mum.
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After three incidents (that I'm aware of) of Britney's parenting skills coming under fire, I have to say (for the FIRST TIME EVER!) that I do feel bad for the girl. I remember my brother actually dropping my nephew at my parent's house one time, but no one splashed THAT across the front page of the newspaper.
BUT, we do see photos of celebrities out with their children all the time, and many other new mothers are followed around just like Britney (Angelina comes to mind very quickly!), and AFAI can remember, no other celebrity has been criticized so much! Where or when have we seen another celebrity mom so harshly criticized, not to mention photographed in the moment of bad judgement?
So either Britney is under the microscope way more than any other celebrity (which is very possible), or she is just having more trouble than your average new mom. Probably a little of both.
And obviously, this is not going to get better with baby #2 on the way!! I do wish we would leave her alone a little more (which of course will not happen when baby #2 arrives), and hope she will improve in her mothering abilities.
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quote:Originally posted by Faith: []It may seem obvious advice but my mother (midwife of 25 years) has many, many tales of bright women who nevertheless do exactly that - placing babies on changing tables or on beds and then experiencing the trauma of seeing their baby rolling off them. Apparently the little suckers can move a lot quicker than might reasonably be expected.
I think its sound advice and well worth giving to every new mum. [/QB]
With young babies, I think parents assume that a baby who has not learned to roll over cannot roll off a surface. That's strictly true, but a young baby can wiggle off the surface by squirming and sliding his/her body horizontally.
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quote:Originally posted by paisley: BUT, we do see photos of celebrities out with their children all the time, and many other new mothers are followed around just like Britney (Angelina comes to mind very quickly!), and AFAI can remember, no other celebrity has been criticized so much! Where or when have we seen another celebrity mom so harshly criticized, not to mention photographed in the moment of bad judgement?
Or...(which is my point) knowing they are under a microscope, they do their best to ensure that they do not appear to be placing their child in any potential harm, knowing the bad press they will receive and the unwanted attention they may receive from child services due to the press. After her first mishap with her child in a car, one may have figured she would have learned everything there is to know about car seats and made sure the seat was being used properly before venturing out with her child because of the bad press she received due to the first incident.
quote:So either Britney is under the microscope way more than any other celebrity (which is very possible), or she is just having more trouble than your average new mom. Probably a little of both.
I say a little of both. But not taking any measures to try to prevent additional bad press, like learing about car seats, does not make her someone for which I will feel sorry for or make excuses for.
The stats for improper carseat use are alarming, but I do have to wonder how many people after learning they are using their car seats improperly fix those problems and try their best to make sure they no longer use it improperly in the future. Or, for a more proper analogy, do not use a carseat, get a ticket for it, install a carseat and then do use it properly. Learning you have placed your child at risk is usually a slap in the face to make sure you don't do it again. I guess I am just surprised that Britany didn't seem to do that.
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While I do feel sorry for Britney over her near fall, I absolutely do not feel for her regarding the carseat incident. Apparently, placing her baby in a front-facing seat wasn't illegal, but I'd definitely consider it stupid.
I'm now 2 years into being a "new" mom and making sure I put my child in a proper carseat was one of the top priorities. For heavens sake, even if we were to get into a fender bender, having him properly restrained could make all the difference. I don't understand *not* making absolutely certain that the baby is in the safest type of carseat for his/her age.
And as for the statistics regarding improper restrainment, I have a feeling that a good deal of those arise from parents not knowing how tight or loose to have the straps. Or if the carseat has a horizontal buckle that connects the straps (like mine does), where to place that on the baby's chest. I know I certainly had to read up on it.
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Perhaps within the year, we will have forgotten about Ms. Spears, and she can go off into anonymity and raise her children in peace and quiet. I have to agree with others here who say god forbid if cameras followed every parent around all the time, recording all our errors and dumb mistakes.
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I really think this wouldn't have been such a big deal at all if the first incident hadn't involved her driving with the baby on her lap. That was so far out into stupid land that now she's under more scrutiny, and every little error seems like a big deal.
And looking at those pictures, that baby doesn't have any straps over his shoulders, which is a major error in using the carseat. I've always wondered how those '80% of carseats are used incorrectly' statistics break down into minor errors and major errors. My guess is they probably include a lot of stuff like the straps not being tight enough, the chest buckle positioned improperly, or the straps set slightly too high or too low. I bet a much smaller proportion are major errors (seat not installed tight enough, straps not over the baby's shoulders).
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I do think Britney deserves some grief she's received over the carseat, but the near fall?
People sometimes trip, especially when surrounded by may other people (and being crowded.) I've been to a lot of places where people asked why she didn't drop her drink, or do _____. Right, they have still pictures and time to critique, but in her place I would probably be too busy finding my balance (preventing the fall at all) to think about my drink in the small window of time the event occurred.
I do think she has PR issues, and I do think she's made mistakes, but the tripping incident is people just piling on for no reason.
quote:Britney Spears. She's so easy to make fun of. Even her song titles conspire to mock her: Oops, She Did It Again! But the latest headlines about America's most maligned mother are evoking a new sentiment from fellow moms.
Almost tripped and dropped a baby? PLEASE, they're saying. What mom hasn't? Give the girl a break!
Interesting. Almost as if they were reading our thread .
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quote:Originally posted by mattie: I do feel bad for her recent trip and almost-fall, but there is no excuse for THIS "outfit". I should post in the "Pure Fashion" thread over in soap box!
My eyes hurt. Okay, she's got the nanny. Now, girlfriend needs to add a stylist to the payroll.
Wow, you'd think you'd have to try to put together an outfit that bad. I know new moms are busy and don't have time to make sure they look fabulous at every moment, but I seriously wonder what she must have thought that morning?
"Hmm, let's see--I am Britney Spears and am going out in public with baby Spears, so I will almost certainly be photographed today. What to wear? Let's see--this looks perfect. Black bra under white shirt/doily thing? Check. Ugly bra exposed under halter top? Check. Baggy jeans that make walking difficult? Check. Thong sticking out of pants? Check. Wait...something's not quite right. Oh, my exposed thong matches my exposed bra--better change [puts on pink panties instead, admires self in mirror]. Perfect!"
Seriously, this girl not only needs a stylist, but also a lesson on the proper use of undergarments.
We now return you to the regularly scheduled debate about celebrity parenting...
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