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Amigone201
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Fundies Say the Darndest Things

Enjoy this site. There are some real howlers in it!

ETA: By the way, does it disturb anyone else that my last four topic postings were all about pCms?

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We all know, whether we admit it or not, that global warming is a scam and that all the price increases on gasoline are just to hype up rhetoric for the enemy(i.e. libs, dems and Al Quaeda)."
Wow. THE enemy. Who knew libs, dems and Al Quaeda had anything in common?

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How do I go about getting one of these "cosmic rolls royces"?

Great stuff! [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Amigone201:
Enjoy this site. There are some real howlers in it!

I admit they are funny, and some of the posters are not that bright. (understatement) You could do the same thing for any large group; atheists, teachers, dentists, feminists, mechanics, democrats, republicans, hockey fans, etc. Get any large grouping of people and you will find some brilliant folks, some complete idiots, and a lot of people who fall somewhere in between.

So, while it is funny, I hope you don't think it proves any sort of point.

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Markus, you're using the typical liberal "argument" that unless I give you names, time, place, dates, you won't believe me. Please yourself."
WTF? When did providing evidence for claims become a "liberal "argument""? You know I've heard of pCms. I've even met a few, but the level of pure idiocy, lunacy, and breaking from reality is...staggering. I don't know whether to laugh or dig myself a bomb shelter. [Eek!]

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This one took the cake for me:

http://www.fstdt.com/comments.asp?id=11415
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"[On homosexuality being a condition one is born with]

Just because you are born a certain way doesn't meant that is the way you have to be. Some people are born Asian, but through surgeries and counseling they can change."



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Ganzfeld
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quote:
Originally posted by DougW:
You could do the same thing for any large group; atheists, teachers, dentists, feminists, mechanics, democrats, republicans, hockey fans, etc. Get any large grouping of people and you will find some brilliant folks, some complete idiots, and a lot of people who fall somewhere in between.

Sure, but if the basic ideas behind any of these groups is stupid then you get dumber comments and more of them. So feel free to share pages making fun of those groups.
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Little Pink Pill
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Ganzfeld, are you saying the basic idea behind Christianity is "stupid"?

You are entirely welcome to your opinion, but that's not the most diplomatic thing I've ever seen you post.

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Far be it from to speak for Ganzfeld, but I think he is saying the basic premise behind pCm as opposed to Christianity as a whole is stupid. That is to say the basic premise behind pCm is a narrow minded biggoted view of Christianity as opposed to the idea of Christianity as a whole

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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I thought that site was dead, looks like the author, who replied to me very nicely about something several years ago, has taken interest in it again:

http://www.fstdt.com/bottom.asp?month=9&year=2002

search for "hambubba"; note Psuedo-Croat got caught, too.

ETA: changed ownership, http://www.fstdt.com/blog/article.php?id_article=40#owner

that explains it, and the "flavor" of the site now...

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Ganzfeld
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I didn't say anything explicitly or implicitly about Christianity.
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I'm Christian, and I have absolutley NO problem labeling the people making those remarks (insert your prefered moniker for them here) as total morons who make me cringe to be a member of the same SPECIES even.

eta - I almost feel like identifing myself as "a Christian but not the ignorant mean kind" but of course that would be awkward.

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Did anyone else get to that "Bizarre Christian public access TV show" link yet?

It's a sight to behold, that's for sure. Look, if you dare!

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quote:
Originally posted by The ham and the bub and the BA:
I thought that site was dead, looks like the author, who replied to me very nicely about something several years ago, has taken interest in it again:

http://www.fstdt.com/bottom.asp?month=9&year=2002

search for "hambubba"; note Psuedo-Croat got caught, too.

ETA: changed ownership, http://www.fstdt.com/blog/article.php?id_article=40#owner

that explains it, and the "flavor" of the site now...

I don't think there was anything about your comment or hers to warrant being included. If this guy considers you to be on the same plane as some of the others quoted on the site I have little regard for his judgement or sense of perspective.

Nonny

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abbubmah
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IIRC, I had emailed him (the original owner) about something of mine that he had posted, and why I disagreed with it being included.

He offered to remove it, and I never followed up. At that time, he had no time or energy to maintain the site, and I never looked at it again until now.

Seems kinda mean-spirited, mostly.

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Aren't Christians supposed to be tolerant, loving, non-judgmental and forgiving? Just curious. Thanks.

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Little Pink Pill
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Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
I didn't say anything explicitly or implicitly about Christianity.

Hmm, maybe I was reading you wrong. I thought it went something like this:

Doug: Ok, these particular Christians are pretty ignorant, but if you take any group, like teachers or dentists, you can find ignorant people among them.

Ganzfeld: Yeah, but if the idea behind the group is stupid in the first place (ie, the idea behind Christianity versus the idea behind dentistry), you are going to get even more feeble minded remarks.

If I misunderstood, could you tell me what you really meant? Maybe what TwoGuys said ("the basic premise behind pCm is a narrow minded biggoted view of Christianity"), which, BTW, I thoroughly agree with?

Edited-grammar

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I think my favorite was the pCm ranting about the evils of women wearing pants...

...because really, that's the cause of all evil in the world. Women in pants.

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Little Pink Pill
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Originally posted by jenovatrix:
...because really, that's the cause of all evil in the world. Women in pants.

[lol] That's sig line worthy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Signora Del Drago,G.R.I.T.S.:
Aren't Christians supposed to be tolerant, loving, non-judgmental and forgiving? Just curious. Thanks.

That's the theory...

Nonny

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Ganzfeld
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quote:
Originally posted by Little Pink Pill:
quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
I didn't say anything explicitly or implicitly about Christianity.

Hmm, maybe I was reading you wrong. I thought it went something like this:

Doug: Ok, these particular Christians are pretty ignorant, but if you take any group, like teachers or dentists, you can find ignorant people among them.

Ganzfeld: Yeah, but if the idea behind the group is stupid in the first place (ie, the idea behind Christianity versus the idea behind dentistry), you are going to get even more feeble minded remarks.

I think you've read quite a bit of extra nonsense into my post. (Doug's, too. He didn't mention Christians.) Please read it again.

Doug said that you could do the same thing about those other groups. He made a remark about many groups (two or three of which I don't mind being considered a member), claiming that one could easily lambaste them just as badly by selecting their dumb comments. I simply said that if any of those groups are stupid then it should be easy to find stupid remarks. I added that he was free to do so.

If I had wanted to make some remark about Christianity then I would have. I have no comment about the stupidity of so-called “pCms” (I didn't even know what it stood for until a few days ago) or, especially, Christians (a group which is so large and diverse that one could indeed take any sect or strange idea and attribute it to all people in the group, which wouldn't be fair). In addition, even if I had wanted to make some comment about the people on that particular page being stupid, how could it have been about “Christians” since the page specifies that it is making fun of “Fundies”?

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This one made me laugh.

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Me? I think they should all be back in the closet. All, that is, except those who keep their orientation to themselves..."


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"[On homosexuality being a condition one is born with]

Just because you are born a certain way doesn't meant that is the way you have to be. Some people are born Asian, but through surgeries and counseling they can change."

Which you think would be a endorsement for gender reassignment surgery. And yet, you just know that this person is adamantly against transsexualism because it's just as deviant as homosexuality.

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quote:
Originally posted by jenovatrix:
I think my favorite was the pCm ranting about the evils of women wearing pants...

...because really, that's the cause of all evil in the world. Women in pants.

Women WITHOUT pants WOULD make the world a much nicer place. [Big Grin]

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"In my experience I find that most Atheists are very unpleasant and invariably Gay ..."

Well damn, I'll admit to being a bitch, but explain me being gay to the three children I produced.

Ahhh Midgard. If I wasn't married... [lol]

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Originally posted by Spamamander with cheese on rye:
"In my experience I find that most Atheists are very unpleasant and invariably Gay ..."

Well damn, I'll admit to being a bitch, but explain me being gay to the three children I produced.

Ahhh Midgard. If I wasn't married... [lol]

Wait...I thought atheists were simply prone to huge orgies, having sex with everyone they see, because without God one cannot possibly have morals.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
If I had wanted to make some remark about Christianity then I would have. I have no comment about the stupidity of so-called “pCms” (I didn't even know what it stood for until a few days ago) or, especially, Christians (a group which is so large and diverse that one could indeed take any sect or strange idea and attribute it to all people in the group, which wouldn't be fair).

Ganz, after reading this and your comments on "Those pCm Threads" I see that I read both your post and you as a person incorrectly. I'm sorry about that. I think the thread I mentioned (as a whole) explains why I over reacted. Thanks for clarifying.

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No problem, LPP. I can get carried away too so I don't mind being called on it when I do.
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Hmm. The main site is quite amusing, but some of the comments are almost as bigotted as the statements they are attacking.

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Originally posted by BringTheNoise:
Hmm. The main site is quite amusing, but some of the comments are almost as bigotted as the statements they are attacking.

How about a couple of examples? (Not being snarky. I just want to see what you find bigotted and why. I didn't look at the comments much so I can't say I agree or disagree with you.)
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quote:
Originally posted by El Camino:
I thought atheists were simply prone to huge orgies, having sex with everyone they see.

What the? When does these happen? I've been an atheist for decades and I don't remember any of these orgies.

Dammit people that's the kind of thing you need to put in the newsletters!

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quote:
Originally posted by Little Pink Pill:
Ganzfeld, are you saying the basic idea behind Christianity is "stupid"?

Meet me in Rantidote...

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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
quote:
Originally posted by El Camino:
I thought atheists were simply prone to huge orgies, having sex with everyone they see.

What the? When does these happen? I've been an atheist for decades and I don't remember any of these orgies.

Dammit people that's the kind of thing you need to put in the newsletters!

I had this problem in the pagan communities too! (I consider myself a pagan atheist, its hard to describe really). They were supposed to be having all these great sex parties and I never get invited. Damnit. [Mad]

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quote:
Originally posted by Ganzfeld:
quote:
Originally posted by BringTheNoise:
Hmm. The main site is quite amusing, but some of the comments are almost as bigotted as the statements they are attacking.

How about a couple of examples? (Not being snarky. I just want to see what you find bigotted and why. I didn't look at the comments much so I can't say I agree or disagree with you.)
Now I want to illustrate my point, I can't find any. I'll keep looking and get back to you.

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quote:
Originally posted by jenovatrix:
I think my favorite was the pCm ranting about the evils of women wearing pants...

...because really, that's the cause of all evil in the world. Women in pants.

That's also on my list of favorites, plus one pCm says that they won't buy Coke because they believe that UL about the company being owned by the Mormon church.
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