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Comment: I'm a sergeant in the US Army and I have encountered this
legend/myth/rumor wherever I have been stationed.

"Only the missionary position is the acceptable sexual position for
members of the United States Army."

Is this true?

I could use a definitive answer on this one.

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While it does not specifically mention the missionary position, Article 125 of The Uniform Code of Military Justice States:
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(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

My understanding of "unnatural carnal copulation" (as explained by my Navy husband - and yes, he could be wrong) is any sex act other than good old fashioned insert penis into vagina copulation. In which case, a large percentage of military (hetero) couples are in violation [Razz] of this virtually unenforceable article UCMJ.

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OK, but penis-in-vagina-only isn't the same as missionary-position-only sex. Oral and anal sex are not exactly "positions."

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*evil grin* OK, when I did my second AIT, it was a class of 15--12 being young 18 year old boys fresh out of high school, and the other three of us being 20-something year old women on our second or third tours.

We ALL had to view the mandatory "approved sexual positions" film. Myself and the other two ladies, bored, would look at the definitions that appeared on-screen and did an MST3K commentary..."Tried that." "Overrated." "That's a good one!" "Bring props for that one..."

The DS finally leaned over and said, "Will you three quit messing with these boys' minds?"

The expression on those boys' faces was priceless. To this day, I still get a giggle thinking about it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Esprise Me:
OK, but penis-in-vagina-only isn't the same as missionary-position-only sex.

Very true. I should have added that the “missionary only” rumor may have morphed out of UCMJ article 125.

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Oral and anal sex are not exactly "positions."
No, but they are the above mentioned "unnatural carnal copulation", thus verboten by the UCMJ.

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quote:
Originally posted by Magdalene:
*evil grin* OK, when I did my second AIT, it was a class of 15--12 being young 18 year old boys fresh out of high school, and the other three of us being 20-something year old women on our second or third tours.

We ALL had to view the mandatory "approved sexual positions" film. Myself and the other two ladies, bored, would look at the definitions that appeared on-screen and did an MST3K commentary..."Tried that." "Overrated." "That's a good one!" "Bring props for that one..."

The DS finally leaned over and said, "Will you three quit messing with these boys' minds?"

The expression on those boys' faces was priceless. To this day, I still get a giggle thinking about it.

Magdalene

I spent over 24 years in the Navy. During that time I not only never saw that movie, I never even heard about it.

Sorry, Magdalene, but I'm calling BS on that story.

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I'm with Senior...I went through my first AIT in 89 and my second in 90/91. It seems very strange that they would have added such a film after the DADT policy went into effect and also odd that I've never heard of it either.

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Sorry guys, but it's true. Calling it a 'film' might be a misnomer, but they were showing slides of direct quotes about what was acceptable and what wasn't.

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Then why has nobody else ever heard of it? In my 18 years in the Army, you're the first to mention it.

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Beats me. I mainly only remember it because we were annoyed about having to watch it at all.

But we three were kind of annoyed about a lot of things about that AIT. I often wish I hadn't bothered.

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Which MOS were you? I've also never seen or heard of any type of video that you mentioned, but I have heard the "missionary position only" idea repeated numerous times, as well as the "no oral/anal sex" rule. A senior NCO brought up the latter in a sexual harrassment class recently, but that one seems to be true (technically, at least).

I have heard stories about extremely religious or just plain overzealous COs who try to implement strange policies/classes from time to time. So I suppose anything is possible.

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The UCMJ is a very brief, general document. For more details, you need to turn to the Manual for Courts Martial The MCM gives the following explanation of Article 125:

c. Explanation. It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

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Again, that doesn't mean "missionary position only." Based on the documents provided, it sounds like it doesn't matter what position you're in, as long as penis meets vagina and nuthin' else.

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I have only seen one Hetro couple charged with a violation of an article 125 since I have been in the USN. We arrested them after evidence came to light that they were having sex with minors (the victims were all 16-18. However the state law said that a minimum of 3yrs between partners under 18 and over 16 to be considered consential) and were dumb enough to tape it. So the senior JAG at the base we were at decided to hook them up not only with child rape but also the Art. 125 since the wife had taken some bits into her mouth and the husband had stuck his bits into a couple of the girls butts. The figuring done by the lawyers was to cast the net large enough and see which, if not all, they would be able to convict on.
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quote:
Again, that doesn't mean "missionary position only." Based on the documents provided, it sounds like it doesn't matter what position you're in, as long as penis meets vagina and nuthin' else.

That's the point. My post was intended to bust the myth, not support it.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Rubber Chicken:
Which MOS were you? I've also never seen or heard of any type of video that you mentioned, but I have heard the "missionary position only" idea repeated numerous times, as well as the "no oral/anal sex" rule. A senior NCO brought up the latter in a sexual harrassment class recently, but that one seems to be true (technically, at least).

I have heard stories about extremely religious or just plain overzealous COs who try to implement strange policies/classes from time to time. So I suppose anything is possible.

This was 31U (which, at the time, was a recent combination of MOS's 31R and....31C, I think?) at Ft. Gordon, Georgia.

It's possible this was the result of an overzealous somebody-or-other....that was a very weird AIT. I think myself and the other two women were all regretting having re-up'd, especially for that MOS. The company was being run really bizarrely, IMO.

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Magdeline, in the post-Tailhook military days, such a film/slide show would've made the news big time.

And should have.

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Were any of you in when they showed the horrible films about encounters with hookers? They were really, really, funny.

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Another Navy vet here, and I was never shown a film, slide, still picture, nor lecture regarding acceptable sexual positions, so I have my doubts that one exists. However, I was subjected to films on everything from personal hygiene to drunk driving to AIDS prevention.

I was even shown one the informing me that the local woman in liberty ports probably weren't REALLY in love with me after our enchanted evening together, but only want to become US citizens. [Frown] [lol]

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quote:
Originally posted by Quack:
I was even shown one the informing me that the local woman in liberty ports probably weren't REALLY in love with me after our enchanted evening together, but only want to become US citizens. [Frown] [lol]

A hole in the training video series that needed filling, if you will, was how to identify the gender of the prostitutes outside the gate in Newport News.

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We just get videos of extreme close-ups of diseased genitals the night before pulling in to port.

During dinner.

Yuck.

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglRdr:
A hole in the training video series that needed filling, if you will, was how to identify the gender of the prostitutes outside the gate in Newport News.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] That's my home town! I even worked at NNS&DDC for a year.

Ranger [Eek!] So that's where those guys from school ended up [Eek!] Dog

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by AnglRdr:
A hole in the training video series that needed filling, if you will, was how to identify the gender of the prostitutes outside the gate in Newport News.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] That's my home town! I even worked at NNS&DDC for a year.

Ranger [Eek!] So that's where those guys from school ended up [Eek!] Dog

I was there as a part of the John C. Stennis (CVN 74) precommissioning unit. My A school was in San Diego, so I thought I knew what big Navy towns (well, any of the services) were like. But the first day I actually spent onboard (before you go to work on the ship, you have to attend School of the Ship, which is in Norfolk), and was walking to my car, I could not beleive the amount of hookage that was going on at 3 in the afternoon. And the cross dresser-to-female prostitute ratio.

I had thought myself a woman of the world before that time, but, whoo-boy. I guess I was just shocked by the brazenness of it.

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Posting for my husband (who is currently feeding the fish in the aquarium across the room).

His first AIT was in late 1987 (13Bravo), Fort Sill, OK and his second AIT was in late 1991 and early 1992 (ammo supply), Redstone Arsenal, AL. He says he never saw any films but in is original AIT (which was one long four-month thing with is Basic Training) they got the "talk" from the DI telling them about the "local girls" in town and to avoid them. He also says he's never heard the comment in the OP either. (both of our dads were career Army as well, you'd think we'd have picked up on something).

And if the comment in the OP is true... well, let's just say I'm glad he's out of the Army then. [Big Grin]

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I only vaguely remember films about prostitutes, but I admit on those I zoned out....being an 18 year old girl and somewhat naive, I figured that wouldn't apply to me.

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This just turned up on another message board. MPs scout brothels as US steams into city
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ADVANCE teams of American military police have scoured Brisbane [Australia] brothels and adult entertainment venues in the lead-up to the USS Ronald Reagan's arrival.
The brothels are legal. One owner says he likes US military customers
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Not that Brisbane brothels were expecting any problems with their American visitors.

"I'll have to be honest and tell you that the fellows are fantastic customers, they are so well-mannered," Mr Inskip [ who owns the Purely Blue brothel] said.

"The ladies like them because they're so respectful.

"They're very aware that they're representing their country, and that's why they behave so well."



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I spent three years of my life in the US Army. The 101st Airborn Division based in Ft. Campbell, Ky. from '72 to '75. I remember films about STD's but no long films about the local girls. Most of them didn't really want anything to do with soldiers. I never saw a prostitute until I went to NYC in '73.

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quote:
Originally posted by snopes:

"Only the missionary position is the acceptable sexual position for
members of the United States Army."


Acceptable to whom? Those involved? Their superiors? (Are their superiors the ones involved?!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Kathy B:
This just turned up on another message board. MPs scout brothels as US steams into city
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ADVANCE teams of American military police have scoured Brisbane [Australia] brothels and adult entertainment venues in the lead-up to the USS Ronald Reagan's arrival.
The brothels are legal. One owner says he likes US military customers
quote:
Not that Brisbane brothels were expecting any problems with their American visitors.

"I'll have to be honest and tell you that the fellows are fantastic customers, they are so well-mannered," Mr Inskip [ who owns the Purely Blue brothel] said.

"The ladies like them because they're so respectful.

"They're very aware that they're representing their country, and that's why they behave so well."


Visting a Brothel or any lady of the night is now illegal and a US servicemember can face a dishonorable discharge and serious jail time. As laid out with a change to the Uniform Code of Military Justice that was signed into law by the US President on the 10th of Janurary
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quote:
Originally posted by Kathy B:
This just turned up on another message board. MPs scout brothels as US steams into city
quote:
ADVANCE teams of American military police have scoured Brisbane [Australia] brothels and adult entertainment venues in the lead-up to the USS Ronald Reagan's arrival.
The brothels are legal. One owner says he likes US military customers
quote:
Not that Brisbane brothels were expecting any problems with their American visitors.

"I'll have to be honest and tell you that the fellows are fantastic customers, they are so well-mannered," Mr Inskip [ who owns the Purely Blue brothel] said.

"The ladies like them because they're so respectful.

"They're very aware that they're representing their country, and that's why they behave so well."


Visting a Brothel or any lady of the night is now illegal and a US servicemember can face a dishonorable discharge and serious jail time. As laid out with a change to the Uniform Code of Military Justice that was signed into law by the US President on the 10th of Janurary
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Okay, as a former ship's non-lawyer legal officer (destroyers are too small to have JAG officers), I have never encountered the "missionary-only" rule. Nor have I seen any official films about sexual positions. The new addition to UCMJ article 134 re:prositution is indeed true. This is an effort by the whole US Departement of Defense to end support of Trafficing in Personnel (TIP)by US service people. I just completed a web-based training session that increased awareness of TiP not only in brothels, but also bars, restaurants, etc, where forced labor might be used.

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I am happy that prostitution is now a UCMJ violation. I heard too many stories of too many sailors appropriating underage prostitutes in overseas port calls, and always felt like the "Off Limits" list was pretty toothless.

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Well when a ship would pull in and the powers to be in charge say "don't go there" most kids who have never been away from home figure that is the place to go since it will have the most excitement. The same reason that teenagers or other kids try to go to places that are off-limits or restricted in thier own hometowns. Natural human curiosity, and as they say curiosity killed the cat. So they learn the hard way why those places(or areas) are "Off limits". Spent too many times taking new sailors back to either the ship or the hospital cause they drank something, ran into something, or did something; and now were bleeding, don't know thier thier own name, and don't know where thier half the pay check from the first line period went since they only remember spending about 30-40 US$ at a bar and was carrying about 200-300 of it.
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Originally posted by DawnStorm:
Remember, people that the Army is very concerned about the health and safety of its privates.

Dawn--well someone had to say it!!--Storm

I'm very concerned about the health and safety of my privates too. I check them several times a day to be sure they're ok.

Robbiev -and I'm not even in the military- 427

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