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Greg of Winter
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I was chatting with a 1991 Gulf War veteran buddy of mine, and he said something about how President George H.W. Bush pissed off a lot of the troops by blocking a plan by the Kuwaiti government to cut a check to every U.S. (I assume this plan would include the other coalition nations) soldier who served in Operation Desert Shield/Storm.

Supposedly, Bush's reasoning was that "American soldiers are not mercenaries."

I do know many oil-rich nations give each of their citizens a dividend of their oil profits (even Alaska does something similar), so it sounded plausible, but I was looking for confirmation.

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Malruhn
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I heard the same thing, but was starting on the Great Journey that would eventually lead me to snopes... I figured it was an urban legend.

Woulda been nice to get a check, but I figured it was a lie. Oh well!

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CannonFodder Global Trotter
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I heard the same rumor, but never as anything more than just barracks bullNFBSKing.

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Joseph Z
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"American soldiers are not mercenaries."

Sounds like rubbish. If your a movie nut, you'd see that soldiers that have been burned out of the military sometimes become mercs. Least when it's all about the money it is. (IE: 'The Rock', 'The Substitute')

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Malruhn
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Yes, JZ, but active duty soldiers can NOT be mercs, and the act of a foreign government giving our soldiers money for doing their job would give the effect of making us SEEM like mercenaries. And of course, perception IS reality...

And, please don't forget that those are movies and do not necessarily indicate the truth.

I still don't think it was real.

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Joseph Z
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"active duty soldiers can NOT be mercs"

Yeah I know they can't. That's why I pointed out that "soldiers that have been burned out of the military" become mercs down the road. Like "The Substitute" when the substitute character and his pals went merc when they heard the news that their failed assassination was denied truth or covered up.

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And we all know that Jerry Bruckheimer movies are the unvarnished truth.

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If it is true, I agree with the decision.

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The term mercenary NOT a well received moniker anymore. Friends and acquaintences employed by various PMCs (professional military companies) never refer to themselves as mercenaries. The field is much more nuanced than is commonly understood.

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Turquoise Guy was in GW1 and heard the same thing. I think the amount was something like $5000.

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quote:
Originally posted by CannonFodder:
The term mercenary NOT a well received moniker anymore. Friends and acquaintences employed by various PMCs (professional military companies) never refer to themselves as mercenaries. The field is much more nuanced than is commonly understood.

Very true. PMCs are a whole 'nuther animal. The term mercenary has been tossed around so loosely that we often forget that there is a real meaning, and one with significant legal consequences.

Citing the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions(GC) of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977. It states:

"Art 47. Mercenaries

"A mercenary is any person who:
":(a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
":(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
":(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
":(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
":(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
":(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces."

While many countries - to include the US - have not signed the 1977 Protocol, it stands as the most commonly agreed upon definition of mercenary. The flip side of this Protocol is that
any prisoner found to be a mercenary by a competent tribunal forfeits all protections under the Geneva convention and may be treated as a criminal.

PMC employees clearly do not fall into the mercenary category.

The rumored post-war Kuwaiti offer of a bonus to US troops would not have put those troops in the technical mercenary category, but it sure would have been bad public relations.

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Hi all,

I am a Gulf War Vet and I know this to be true. Prior to us leaving the King of Saudi Arabia offered to give every solider that helped in Desert Storm $5000 each. bush said that the US were not mercenarys and declinded the money but allowed Saudi Arabia to produce the campain medal. This medal is made of Gold and is worth quite a bit of money. I believe that every other nation involved accepted the offer.

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I am also a Gulf War Vet, and do NOT know this to be true. It was certainly told often and as truth in 1991, but I have never seen or heard anything that could confirm it. Everyone believed it and retold it, but that doesn't make it true.

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Regarding the Saudi "Kuwait Liberation Medal":

Perhaps the originals were "made of gold" (or perhaps not), but the ones currently at the exchange are most certainly not. They cost $14 each-- more than the average medal, yes, but certainly not worth their weight in gold.

At the most, the newly manufactured ones may be gold-plated, though I'm not really sure. They ARE more expensive than the avrage dangly-shiny.

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I heard the same thing from friends of mine that served in the gulf and don't doubt the validity of what they say but also can't find a single reference to this (GIS)
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