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Dozing Quinn
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I was watching one of those S11 documentaries, and one showed a white plane flying high in the air. An onlooker shouted "there's the doomsday plane," but the documentary didn't explain what the plane was for. I found a few websites, but they only touched the surface of the issue. Some said it was suppose to be a command post for the president, which seems fair enough. So what's the difference between the Doomsday plane and Airforce one?
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So what's the difference between the Doomsday plane and Airforce one?

Please keep in mind that the information presented in this reply should be considered mostly speculative. I've never been aboard either, and so I can only go with what I've read.

Now, while Airforce One is usually one of a pair (IIRC) of modified 747s, it isn't necessarily either of those planes.

Whichever aircraft Airforce One happens to be, it is essentially comfortable long-range transportation for the President and his retenue, plus however many journalists and politicians he chooses to invite along.

The uppermost deck, the lounge area, is dedicated for cryptography and communications gear which allows the President to keep in contact with anyone he needs to.

From what I've read, NEACP ("Kneecap") is always kept within two hours of the President (which I imagine can be tricky when the President is on a diplomatic mission in a non-allied foreign country.)

I would expect that the President is a lot more selective of who is permitted aboard Kneecap. Think of it as a fully stocked mobile command center, with considerably more personnel.

I quickly googled for more info, but between the model-airplanes-for-sale and all of the websites written by the tinfoil-hat brigade, getting even reasonably-informed speculation is difficult.

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"Air Force One" is the designator for any aircraft that the President is aboard.

Not to be confused with the aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base that is his normal plane, designated Air force One.

The so called "doomsday" plane (I haven't heard it called that in a very long time) is a Command, Control, and Communications platform launched to run the country/military in the event of immenent attack on the seat of government.

It was launched about 1000 on Sept 11. I saw it fly over just as we exited the Pentagon that day.

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That particular bit of footage where that guy is shouting that the plane people can see is a Doomsday plane is truely creepy.

There are actually four doomsday planes which make up Kneecap (NEACP) or 'Night Watch' as it is known.

They share the same base as the presidents 747 with similar provisions against electomagnetic pulse and the ability to refuel. They are designed to be used in the event of 'Armageddon'. Their purpose is to keep the goverment and military in operation.

Usually in the event of a major war the president will take to what we commonly know as Air Force One or one of these planes (one is in comission and ready for flight at all times) In such an event all planes are launched and escorted with fighters.

It is regarded that the president and top level military command is safer in the air than anywhere on the ground. This is called 'Evacuating the President' and it actually happened on the Sept-11 attacks... very scary!

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"Air Force One" is the designator for any aircraft that the President is aboard.

Not to be confused with the aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base that is his normal plane, designated Air force One.

The so called "doomsday" plane (I haven't heard it called that in a very long time) is a Command, Control, and Communications platform launched to run the country/military in the event of immenent attack on the seat of government.

It was launched about 1000 on Sept 11. I saw it fly over just as we exited the Pentagon that day.

Ranger Dog

It (or one of them) took off from Wright-Patterson AFB several times during the post-attack flight shutdown; that and the F-16s and one sonic boom; an interesting three days.

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Ceci n'est pas Paul Unwin
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"Air Force One" is the designator for any aircraft that the President is aboard.

Only if it's an Air Force aircraft. If it's from another branch of the military, it's Navy One, Army One, Marine One, or (I suppose) Coast Guard One. I think there's even provision for referring to an aircraft as Civilian One.

Paul "All others are number two or lower" Unwin

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Edited because trying to write the damn code is getting on my NFBSK nerves!!


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I take it these are what you saw?


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Isaac
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"Air Force One" is the designator for any aircraft that the President is aboard.
I always figured if Air Force One crashed or something (like in the movie, Air Force One) they'd replace it with "Air Force Two" and so forth. Doesn't that seem logical?

But then I found out that I'm just a moron.

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Jon Up North
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Depending on how accurate my memory is, and how accurate the Tom Clancy novels are, I've always understood that AirForce 2 is the any aircraft which the VP is on.

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Tootsie Plunkette
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According to How Stuff Works:

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"Air Force One" isn't technically a plane: It's simply the radio call name for any U.S. Air Force plane carrying the president of the United States. As soon as the president steps aboard an Air Force plane, that plane is referred to as Air Force One by the crew and all air traffic controllers, in order to avoid confusion with any other planes in the area. If the president rides on an Army aircraft, that aircraft is Army One, and whenever he boards his specialized helicopter, that craft is Marine One. Civilians generally refer to the physical plane itself as Air Force One...

Today, there are actually two planes that regularly fly under this designation -- nearly identical Boeing 747-200B jets. The planes themselves are designated VC-25A, with tail numbers 28000 and 29000.



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I'll do one better: Howabout the exact origins of the call sign Air Force One.

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A 1953 incident where Eisenhower's aircraft was callsign "Air Force 8610" and an Eastern Airlines plane was callsign "8610" created the need to devise a unique call sign for the presidential aircraft. The callsign "Air Force One" was classified during the 1950s to identify not only the president's plane, but when he was aboard. In 1961, it became popularly known when it identified President John F. Kennedy while flying aboard his C-118.

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What was the movie with Harrison Ford called? The president's Plane or something. Anyway at the end after the President (Ford) has successfully made it to the C130 flying along side, the pilot of that plane reports in: This CG2345. We have the President aboard. Correction (then a long pause for dramatic effect) This is Air Force 1
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What was the movie with Harrison Ford called? The president's Plane or something. Anyway at the end after the President (Ford) has successfully made it to the C130 flying along side, the pilot of that plane reports in: This CG2345. We have the President aboard. Correction (then a long pause for dramatic effect) This is Air Force 1

The movie is "Air Force One"

The quote is coming over the radio in the situation in the White House::

"This is Liberty 24, he's on the rope, he's coming in. *pause*... Liberty 24 is changing call-signs. Liberty 24 is now Air Force One!"

Cheering breaks out in the White House and Glenn Close tears up the 'President is a looney" document, while Al from Quantum Leap look saround for Sam.

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The Regular Otter
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They actually stopped calling them NEACP after the cold war ended.

They are now NAOC, for the National Airborne Operation Center.

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Charles Berlemann
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There are two planes in the US inventory refeered to as the "Doomsday Planes". The first plane is the E-4B, also formally known as NECAP pronounced "Knee-Cap". It is the plane that usually carries the American President overseas at long distances. It is equipped to supposely stay up in the air for about 30days with in-flight refueling. THe other plane and I think the Plane in question is the E-6A Mercuray. It is a modified Boeing 707, that is equipped with a 2 mile wire to transmit orders in Extreme low frequancy from NORAD or stratgitc command HQ (STRATCOM) in Omaha, NE or NECAP to the US ballistic missile subs. It is flown by the USN and based at Tinker AFB in Omaha. These planes also have taken over the Stratgetic Command airborne command post. THey will carry on the missions of the land based NORAD and STRATCOM in case they are destroyed by either a nuclear attack or terrorist attack. On September 11, 2001 was the first time in the world that they had taken off for a real emergancy. The planes that use to be the a modified version of a USAF C-135. They were retired at the end of the Cold War. For more information about the E-6A go to to here:
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/aircraft/air-e6a.html

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