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Here's my beef with the dead — you'd think they'd be bursting to talk about all the things us not-yet-dead are madly curious about. Such as: Hey, where are you now? What do you do all day? What's it feel like being dead? Can you see me? Even when I'm on the toilet? Would you cut that out?
But in medium-brokered exchanges, if the dead come through at all, they come through in cryptic little impressions: a stout woman, a small black dog, the date May 23. When they talk in the background on tape recordings or over the radio — and there are thousands of people who believe that the garbled, echoey words and whispers they can make out on tape or over the airwaves are coming from the Beyond — they say things like "bird songs at night" or "please interrupt" or "industrious!" It's a maddening way to communicate.
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Like the story said, if we have communication at all, it's hard on the poor fellas! Imagine talking to a friend on the other side of the grand canyon. I'd think it would take an awful lot of effort to even be heard, much less understood. Imagine the energy that would take, as well.
The other answer, and the truth as I see it 99% of the time, is that these mediums are full of sh*t. Same with the EVPs, you hear what you want to hear.
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There is another possibility which I've heard suggested. This is that "ghosts" are impressions left by the deceased, sort of like a recording. They cannot communicate because they are not really there. They are just impressions or energy left over from something that happened in a location in the past. This would explain why sometimes people claim to see ghosts in the same location and doing the same movements.
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Mediums and EVPs are a crock. Penn and Teller made a very good point about it.
on Tv- "i see a boat, does that mean anything to you?" "yes! my father was a Boat Captain!"
Real - "so who you hoping to communicate to?" "my granfather, CAPT.Luke Evans" "ah, okay" --(then the TV convo ensues)
Most of what mediums do it take advantage of the innocent and scared personas those who have recently lost someone close usually obtain. Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable however.
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The first is, the life “on the other side” is SO different than what we have here, that common language is difficult at best. A simple-minded example is try to explain quantum mechanical theory (and notation) to a 10 year old. When I use the terms “bra” and ”ket”, they mean something totally different to a kid (“Hee, hee, he said “bra’”). So a ghost is attempting to talk to you about stuff that has no equivalent in our languages. We just haven’t developed a good ghost-English translation book (other than maybe the Monty Python version).
The second possibility is it is all crap. The human mind is very good at finding patterns where there are none. It goes back to times when it was better to THINK you saw a tiger (and react appropriately), than to NOT see it (and become lunch). So you look at white noise on a TV screen, and you will see patterns where there are none. You hear noises, and you attempt to find meaning in them.
Now these folks I see on TV that “see” things & communicate with the beyond are just good con-artists. There is this guy on TV, I can’t remember his name right now, that does this show where he “talks” to spirits in front of an audience. You can just see him throw out things so fast that you don’t notice that 99% go flat. Then one person perks up and says, “Hey my father was on a boat once...” than then he is off. It is pure con.
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The closest I've seen to someone being anything other than a fraud has been on "Most Haunted". The medium they have, Derek, is incredibly adept at listing events and histories of the various buildings and houses they investigate. If he truly knows nothing about the places, as they state, then he is incredibly accurate at times.
There have been a few times where he's just totally been off, or just acted stupid. However, more often than not, he can get pretty detailed. I've seen him pull full names, AND how they died, right out of the air. He is the only medium I'd venture to say might be real, that I've seen so far.
The worst one . . . well I can't even remember her name. I just remember that she's really fat, and really stupid. I saw her on one show and she was like "You have the spirit of a poor little girl here." The woman who owns the house said "No, I do not." There's no activity in that house! Not to mention no little girls ever died in that house. I switch the channel the moment I see her pudgy face now. She's horrible! lol
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I tend to suscribe to the theory stated above, that "ghosts" are actually impressions of the past living, in a place where something of note happened to them.
Personally, I believe that in the afterlife, you have full possession of your spiritual body and mind, and that you're far too busy enjoying the vast knowledge restored to you upon your death, not to mention doing, like, missionary work and stuff. I don't see why the dead would bother us, when they probably have a very full afterlife.
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*shakes head solemnly* I guess that's why the Travel Channel mentioned that Derek would be leaving the show, tonight.
Derek gave me hope that not all mediums were full of sh*t. It just proves once more that people are always willing to steep to new lows for the almighty dollar. I knew he was most likely faking all the "possessions", but . . . I give major props to Dr. O'Keeffe for his slick detective work, though.
*bumps percentage of for-sure bullsh*t mediums to 99.5%*
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quote:"I went downstairs to get the laundry, and a man walked through me," she told me. "I knew that he loved clam chowder, and that he'd had a heart attack." She ran upstairs and told her husband, Joe, who is an aerospace engineer. Joe blinked at her, as one might when abruptly confronted by one's spouse's possible mental disintegration, and then he said, "That's my grandfather."
and thought, "Um, he's your husband? Perhaps he's mentioned his grandfather before and that's how you know this sort of thing?" I'd like to think if I were married, that my husband wouldn't clam up about relatives he loves a lot.
"So, honey, what were we talking about?" "Your Grandma Tillie. You said you were really close. What was she like when she was alive?" "I'm sorry. I suddenly can't remember a thing about her and how she died. Now let's have no more about this bizarre cover up."
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quote:Originally posted by TrishDaDish: Am I the only one who read this:
quote:"I went downstairs to get the laundry, and a man walked through me," she told me. "I knew that he loved clam chowder, and that he'd had a heart attack." She ran upstairs and told her husband, Joe, who is an aerospace engineer. Joe blinked at her, as one might when abruptly confronted by one's spouse's possible mental disintegration, and then he said, "That's my grandfather."
and thought, "Um, he's your husband? Perhaps he's mentioned his grandfather before and that's how you know this sort of thing?" I'd like to think if I were married, that my husband wouldn't clam up about relatives he loves a lot.
"So, honey, what were we talking about?" "Your Grandma Tillie. You said you were really close. What was she like when she was alive?" "I'm sorry. I suddenly can't remember a thing about her and how she died. Now let's have no more about this bizarre cover up."
Ah Grandpa Joe, who's only recognizable characteristics were his love of clam chowder and his heart attack.
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