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Rhiandmoi
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De Beers has also demonized the idea of buying a used diamond and has all but destroyed any trade in used diamonds.
I have never heard diamond specifically having this problem. I thought it was a problem for all "used" jewelry. Anectdotally, my family has no problem reusing diamonds. My mom even reset the diamond from the engagement ring that my dad (her ex husband) gave her so she could still use it. The gold from the bands she hasn't had melted down and made into anything yet, but she didn't want to let the diamond go to waste.

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I guess the secret to the "2 (or 3) month salary rule" is to get hitched when you are in college. For me, 2 months salary in college was about $1,000. (We didn't even spend that much.)

I had a pair of friends that, when they got hitched, skipped the engagement ring and put the money in the bank. Together they said the one months salary they put away would let them retire more than a month early so they could be together more. (Pretty romantic, and optimistic.)

(Privately the bride told me it was also because they were both students and couldn't afford much, but "just wait for our 5th anniversary ..." when presumably they would actually have an income.)

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I agree that men buy such expensive rings, or are expected to buy them, to prove how far their salaries will go. Seems like the more money a man has, the better husband he'll make, according to some people these days. I think it's bullshit - what matters is the emotional bond the two people share, and not the little metal bands around their fingers.
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Rhiandmoi
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It's not just these days.

While I agree that the emotional bond that two people share is what matters, emotional bonds can't be cashed in to buy groceries or pay bills. If you want other people to support your decision to get married, it helps to have a plan in place to feed and shelter yourselves. Not having enough money to buy a "nice" betrothal gift is a red flag to many people (including me).

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
If you want other people to support your decision to get married, it helps to have a plan in place to feed and shelter yourselves.

My plan is to use my salary to feed and shelter us, rather than buy crystallized carbon at inflated prices.

If people want to have big flashy rings to prove they love each other, that's fine; what i object to is that a company can affect the culture such that it becomes a necessary tradition that benefits the one company more than it does anyone else. I worry about the people that are pressured and spend more than they can afford, or are ostracized by others for not having a ring big enough.

If i could start a company selling my own toenail clippings, then convince the public that the only way to show your love and commitment is to wear one of my toenail clippings, then hire people and ludicrously low wages to harvest my clippings, while selling them for hundreds of dollars each, i could change my name to De Yleems and live a merry life.

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I didnt really give my wife an "engagement ring". I actually bought the wedding rings (190,- DM, about $100 for the couple) and we wore them how my mother told me, their family (or the area of Bavaria where they come from) wore it: On the left hand, the hand of the heart while engaged, on the right hand, the hand of reason after the wedding.
Three months after our small wedding, we had a WedCon (We invited friends we know from our online game), where we exchanged a 2nd pair or rings. Clandeagh (or however they are spelled, those rings with a heart, held by two hands, a crown over the heart and a stone in the heart). I still wear both rings (my fingers are too fat to get them off, oomph!) even though I lost the amethyst in the clandeaghh. But it still looks nice.

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De Beers has also demonized the idea of buying a used diamond and has all but destroyed any trade in used diamonds.
I have never heard diamond specifically having this problem. I thought it was a problem for all "used" jewelry. Anectdotally, my family has no problem reusing diamonds. My mom even reset the diamond from the engagement ring that my dad (her ex husband) gave her so she could still use it. The gold from the bands she hasn't had melted down and made into anything yet, but she didn't want to let the diamond go to waste.
While I don't personally know anyone who has "recycled" a family diamond I do know lots of canny shoppers who patronize flea markets and jewellery stores that specialise in "estate sales". It's not difficult to buy a used diamond, or any other stone for that matter, at least not here in Ottawa anyway.

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
Anectdotally, my family has no problem reusing diamonds. My mom even reset the diamond from the engagement ring that my dad (her ex husband) gave her so she could still use it.

Anecdotally, my brother's MIL gave my SIL the (large) diamond from MIL's engagement ring, which Brother had re-set for SIL's engagement ring.

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Rhiandmoi
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Originally posted by Yleemjseg:


If people want to have big flashy rings to prove they love each other, that's fine; what i object to is that a company can affect the culture such that it becomes a necessary tradition that benefits the one company more than it does anyone else.

I don't see it any different than any other craze that takes hold of a culture. The only difference is that this craze seems to be lasting longer that the Jordache Jeans craze of 1984.

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For a reused diamond, my current fiancee used her mom's engagement ring and wore it as a promise ring for some time. I, on the other hand, wore her father's wedding ring as a promise ring. The diamond in her ring was tiny, but she still had no problem pretending it was her engagement ring (this was before I gave her another ring that she still wears.)

I didn't go for the whole "two months' salary" thing; I know now, just liek I always knew, it's total horse hockey. What I did do is decide on something I knew she would like that was substantive (and contained her birth stone) and got it for her. It's a half-carat diamond with sapphires on each side, and I've never heard an unkind word about it (she has, though, from some bimbo who said she had the same ring but it was "bigger." That's a total lie; mine was specially made.)

It cost me over $2,000, but I didn't have to support myself entirely at the time, so I could afford it. Now, she owns it outright. I have actually advised her against upgrading the diamond, even if we had money, because it would look odd.

Incidentally, our jeweler's policy on "conflict diamonds" is that they don't sell or provide any that they are aware of. Basically, they don't ask and don't tell. Really, what can they do, especially if De Beers has them by the throat?

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Originally posted by Colonel Zoidberg:
Incidentally, our jeweler's policy on "conflict diamonds" is that they don't sell or provide any that they are aware of. Basically, they don't ask and don't tell. Really, what can they do, especially if De Beers has them by the throat?

The problem is that there is no way for even a huge jeweler, much less some little mom and pop shop, to know whether or not the diamonds in their store are conflict diamonds are not.

There have been attempts, such as the well intentioned but ultimately useless Kimberely Process, but in the end the only why to know for sure is to either get a synthetic diamond, such as an Apollo Diamond, or did one up yourself.

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
It's not just these days.

While I agree that the emotional bond that two people share is what matters, emotional bonds can't be cashed in to buy groceries or pay bills. If you want other people to support your decision to get married, it helps to have a plan in place to feed and shelter yourselves. Not having enough money to buy a "nice" betrothal gift is a red flag to many people (including me).

See, to me a guy actually paying two months salary for a bit of metal and stone would be the red flag. It's simply not a responsible use of the money. I'd rather have an inexpensive but tasteful ring, a small family wedding, a non-extravagant honeymoon, and more money in the bank where it can be accessed quickly and easily in emergencies.

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Joe Bentley
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Another thing that bothers me is that this huge two months salary expense is expected to be shelled out at the very start of a serious relationship. Errr should a couple get things like houses, cars, retirement plans, food, sex toys... err I mean emergency savings and such out of the way first?

I feel the same way about uber-extravagent weddings for much the same reason. I don't think when you're first starting out as a couple is the most logical time to flaunt your excess.

I mean I still wouldn't "get it" but buying an expensive symbolic gift later in the relationship, say at the 5 or 10 year mark, would make a little more sense.

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Rhiandmoi
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I am an old fashioned sort and I think a proposer should be "established" before proposing no matter the cost, or form, of the betrothal gift, so no-one will hear me saying that people should buy an expensive bethrothal gift instead of a house, car, or groceries. What I am saying is that if you #1 can't afford one and #2 can't find a way to save for one, maybe you shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

As to whether or not spending 2 days, 2 months, or 2 years salary on a betrothal gift is a responsible use of the money, I think it depends a lot on the people involved, their other financial obligations and what they would spend the money on instead if not spending it on a betrothal gift. Is it just that a ring is "useless" that it is so distasteful to some people? What if a stock portfolio took off as the betrothal gift du jour? Perhaps I should send an email to Charles Schwabb.

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Originally posted by Colonel Zoidberg:
Incidentally, our jeweler's policy on "conflict diamonds" is that they don't sell or provide any that they are aware of. Basically, they don't ask and don't tell. Really, what can they do, especially if De Beers has them by the throat?

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
I am an old fashioned sort and I think a proposer should be "established" before proposing no matter the cost, or form, of the betrothal gift, so no-one will hear me saying that people should buy an expensive bethrothal gift instead of a house, car, or groceries. What I am saying is that if you #1 can't afford one and #2 can't find a way to save for one, maybe you shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

As to whether or not spending 2 days, 2 months, or 2 years salary on a betrothal gift is a responsible use of the money, I think it depends a lot on the people involved, their other financial obligations and what they would spend the money on instead if not spending it on a betrothal gift. Is it just that a ring is "useless" that it is so distasteful to some people? What if a stock portfolio took off as the betrothal gift du jour? Perhaps I should send an email to Charles Schwabb.

The whole betrothal gift thing reeks of bribery to me, and it has a tendency to reinforce traditional gender roles. I might feel a bit different if the couple exchanged gifts of equal value.....

It's also fairly classist and consumerist, IMHO.

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Rhiandmoi
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Actually there is a lot of bribery and gender role enforcement involved with a betrothal gift, and I can see why you (and others) would dislike it Ryda. I take the position that even though in this day and age you do not actually have to bribe your future inlaws to get permission to marry, if you want their approval (and therefore an easier life) you do need to prove yourself to be good spouse material. And that criteria is going to be different for every family. I would guess that Nonny's family for example, if a prospective groom presented Nonny with a $25K ring and he wasn't some sort of millionare (and maybe even then) would find that extravagant and spendthrift, and a sign that he doesn't have any money sense, and definately shouldn't be trusted, and they will need to keep their eyes and ears open. Whereas other families might see it as a good sign of devotion that instead of buying a car he would rather give this token. I don't think either position is wrong or stupid. I agree that it is classist and consumerist, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. If you reject consumerism but are trying to join a family that keeps up with the Jones or vice versa there will be huge culture clashes. The giving or non-giving of a betrothal gift would just be the beginning of it. Personally a large disagreement on what is a good amount to spend on a betrothal gift would be a deal breaker to me, because it would indicate IMO a significant difference in relationship to goods and money. I know that spenders and savers get married and live happily ever after just like Republicans and Democrats do, that doesn't mean I think it is a good idea to try it.

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Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
The whole betrothal gift thing reeks of bribery to me, and it has a tendency to reinforce traditional gender roles. I might feel a bit different if the couple exchanged gifts of equal value.....

It's also fairly classist and consumerist, IMHO.

It has just occurred to me that neither of the proposal scenes in my novels involved the bestowing of a ring or any other material token. I think it says something about me that it never even occurred to me to use one.

I do like the idea of a reciprocal exchange of tokens. I also like the idea of non-traditional tokens, like silver medallions on plain black cord, rather than the cliche of a diamond ring.

Nonny

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[QUOTE]The whole betrothal gift thing reeks of bribery to me, and it has a tendency to reinforce traditional gender roles. I might feel a bit different if the couple exchanged gifts of equal value.....

I think it is possible for a couple voluntarily to accept traditional gender roles, Ryda. I mean, if their background and skills or resources allow them a genuine choice, free (relatively) of social, economic or legal restraint.

Obviously I'm talking from personal experience. Mrs Fizz and I have adopted very traditional roles of breadwinner and nurturer; most of our contemporaries have a two-career-parents-and-a-nanny lifestyle, which we didn't really want. Of those who have a stay-at-home parent, it is usually the mother at home. It's not economically essential for our friends to have both partners working, as a rule, though for most of them it would entail some signicant economic effect - no second home by the sea, or in Tuscany, or whatever. I don't mean to disparage those who like to have a second home by the sea, but we just felt our priorities were different.

The decision was ultimately Mrs Fizz'; I would have supported either approach though I am glad she chose as she did.

The corollory of being single income was that there was no longer any real question of gifts coming from one of us to the other on an economic level. There was just one pool of money. If we didn't spend it one way, we'd spend it another. I wouldn't say I am spartan by any means, but apart from needing ( [Wink] ) a fast car and a few good suits, I am pretty easily contented. So strangely the net effect is that buying, say, a diamond necklace for Mrs Fizz no longer operates as an economic transfer or statement of power, but is simply the conversion of one type of asset into another.

I think it's very much a YMMV issue, where there is no definitive right path for all people. But I hope my own experience is illustrative of how some traditional choices can remain acceptable.

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The whole betrothal gift thing reeks of bribery to me, and it has a tendency to reinforce traditional gender roles. I might feel a bit different if the couple exchanged gifts of equal value.....

But she is giving him her virginity! And a lifetime of free housekeeping. [fish]

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Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
Another thing that bothers me is that this huge two months salary expense is expected to be shelled out at the very start of a serious relationship.

At the very start of the marriage stage of the relationship, yes, but surely not (at least for most) at the start of a serious relationship?

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Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
Another thing that bothers me is that this huge two months salary expense is expected to be shelled out at the very start of a serious relationship.

At the very start of the marriage stage of the relationship, yes, but surely not (at least for most) at the start of a serious relationship?
Well yeah but I think its safe to say that the engagement ring is the first major expense that is expected of someone in a relationship.

I will admit that it does bother me that so many of the things we see as symbolic of "going to the next level" so to speak in a relationship have such a high price tag attached to them.

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When my wife & I were shopping for wedding rings, we avoided diamonds because neither of us likes them. Clear rocks, what's the big deal? Well, when my Mom found out we were NOT getting a diamond, she took me aside and tried to convince me to get my future wife a diamond. She even volunteered to give me enough cash to get one (and Mom is very tight with money). Here is how the conversation went:

Me: “Mom, she doesn't want a diamond.”
Her:”Oh, she is just saying that because she thinks you can't afford one.”
Me:”No Mom, she does not want one.”
Her:”That's impossible, EVERY girl wants a diamond, she is just too nice of a person to ask you for one.”
Me:”Mom, ask her yourself.”
(go find the future wife, FW)
Her:”You really want a diamond if Doug could afford it, right?”
FW:”No, I don't like diamonds, they are just clear rocks.”
Her:”Oh, that is so nice of you to say that, but we can get you the money to get a real diamond.”
FW:”I don't want one.”
Her:”That's impossible, EVERY girl wants a diamond.”
FW:”I don't.”
Her:”You are just saying that to be nice.”
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We eventually compromised on a RUBY ring (nice deep red color). I wanted to get one that was cylindrical and silvered on one end and semi-silvered on the other end, but we got a simple diamond shaped rock. My Mom STILL thinks FW didn't get get what she REALLY wanted (a diamond).

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Another thing that bothers me is that this huge two months salary expense is expected to be shelled out at the very start of a serious relationship.

At the very start of the marriage stage of the relationship, yes, but surely not (at least for most) at the start of a serious relationship?
Well yeah but I think its safe to say that the engagement ring is the first major expense that is expected of someone in a relationship.

I will admit that it does bother me that so many of the things we see as symbolic of "going to the next level" so to speak in a relationship have such a high price tag attached to them.

But I think it is to acknowledge that the next level is also a more expensive level.

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But she is giving him her virginity! And a lifetime of free housekeeping. [fish]

I'd say CatNip definitely got the short end of the stick on that one, then. [Razz]

I do cook, though.

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Originally posted by Joe Bentley:
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Originally posted by Christie:
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Another thing that bothers me is that this huge two months salary expense is expected to be shelled out at the very start of a serious relationship.

At the very start of the marriage stage of the relationship, yes, but surely not (at least for most) at the start of a serious relationship?
Well yeah but I think its safe to say that the engagement ring is the first major expense that is expected of someone in a relationship.

I will admit that it does bother me that so many of the things we see as symbolic of "going to the next level" so to speak in a relationship have such a high price tag attached to them.

But I think it is to acknowledge that the next level is also a more expensive level.
I think that can be true and certainly it was true for me when I got engaged.

But there are a lot of people (dons old lady hat) nowadays who get engaged after they've already started living together. Often for some years.

For them I think the ring truly does symbolize the committment they are making to each other. Corny though that may sound to some. I guess the cynics among us would counter that it's just gullible people getting caught up in a well orchestrated scam.

Meh. To me it's a case of MYOB. Whatever works for another couple just is not my business.

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But she is giving him her virginity! And a lifetime of free housekeeping.
That means, I would have had to get the engagement ring from my wife? After all.. I was the one who gave his virginity up (my wife has had sexual relations for 7 years or so before we met) and I am the main housekeeper. I do most of the shopping, most of the cooking, while she brings in twice as much as I earn.
But at least it was her who got pregnant.

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Originally posted by Christie:
I guess the cynics among us would counter that it's just gullible people getting caught up in a well orchestrated scam.

Meh. To me it's a case of MYOB. Whatever works for another couple just is not my business.

Well truth be told I could really care less about the "scam part." Personally I think its obvious that its just that, a scam built on false scarcity and manufactured "traditions," but at the end of the day if someone wants to spend used car prices on a piece of coal that just happened to have been compressed long enough... hey more power to them.

But the problem is that this scam is built upon one of the dirtiest and bloodiest industries in human history. I'd said it before for all we demonize the oil industry in this day and age per capita it can't begin to hold a candle to the diamond trade.

I find the expensive and useless bauble bothersome but pretty much only up to the point where I'd be bothered by right up until something good came on TV. I find the expensive and useless bauble being dug up by slave child labor, and then used to fund terrorism, warlords, and rape gangs unacceptable.

If we can figure out a way for people to get their shiny rocks without 5 year old African kids getting their arms chopped off, I could really care less what they spend for them.

They are some things that there is nothing noble in "minding your own business" about.

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Hey I am one of those people that got engaged after living together for quite a significant matter of time, and after buying a house. And I still got an engagement ring. It symbolizes our commitment to each other, and is a nod that we know that life is going to get progressively more expensive as we move on to the next levels. I entertained the idea of getting a more practical engagement token, but in the end I really wanted a ring because it is purely symbolic and pretty and for some reason that meant more to me. Maybe I am caught up in the scam too.

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But she is giving him her virginity! And a lifetime of free housekeeping. [fish]

I'd say CatNip definitely got the short end of the stick on that one, then. [Razz]

I do cook, though.

Four Kitties

That might be worth it to a lot of men I know...if you're a really, really good cook, 4K. [Wink]

As for us...Hubby got me a diamond engagement ring, with tiny sapphires on either side of the diamond. It's not huge; it suits my hand. Anything bigger and I would have felt awkward wearing it, especially for work. It's pretty much, aside from my wedding ring (a plain gold band), the only jewelry I wear.

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
Hey I am one of those people that got engaged after living together for quite a significant matter of time, and after buying a house. And I still got an engagement ring. It symbolizes our commitment to each other, and is a nod that we know that life is going to get progressively more expensive as we move on to the next levels. I entertained the idea of getting a more practical engagement token, but in the end I really wanted a ring because it is purely symbolic and pretty and for some reason that meant more to me. Maybe I am caught up in the scam too.

:grin: Sign me up as another gullible sucker then. I'm still wearing the symbol of the scam over 20 years later. Gosh am I dumb [dunce]

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It's a shame that so many people are absolutely convinced that nothing short of a diamond is acceptable, and nothing in place of a diamond, even something that the lady would like better, is acceptable. What I've heard is that sapphire rings are becoming more popular (not one that has a diamond center and sapphires on the side the way the one I bought does, but ones with a sapphire in the center) because of the expense of diamonds. You can get a lab-created sapphire for far cheaper that, I think, looks every bit as good as a real sapphire, and I don't think there's the same stigma with a lab-created sapphire as there is with cubic zirconia.

My dad actually tried to convince me to buy a ring with a cubic zirconia center stone. At the time, the prevailing wisdom was that i was broke and couldn't afford to eat, let alone buy an engagement ring (that wasn't true...it set in much later, but it wasn't true at the time I bought the ring.) Plus, my dad seems to have this on-again, off-again opinion that my fiancee isn't good enough for me or isn't right for me or is too bossy or whatever. I didn't listen to any of that, and it's worked out pretty well for me.

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Four Kitties
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I do cook, though.

That might be worth it to a lot of men I know...if you're a really, really good cook, 4K. [Wink]
CatNip seems to think so, which is all that matters. [Smile]

Actually that's not true, about his being all that matters, because I'm rather vain about my cooking skills. My MIL, who recently got out of the hospital and who still can't cook for herself yet, has been placing requests. My own mother, a fabulous cook, asks me to make things for some of her parties "because yours just always seem to come out better." And I have been reliably informed (by my cousin, who was there) that on at least three occasions the extended family has said "What shall we ask 4K to bring? Doesn't matter -- everything she makes is always so good." [Big Grin] Still, CatNip is the one who eats my cooking day in and day out, and he brags about what a good cook his wife is. And I certainly don't mind hearing the stories about co-workers who are jealous because they're eating PB&J for lunch while he's got chicken fried steak or lasagna.

I posted this photo something like 90 minutes after I received it. I had nothing to do with choosing it -- if CatNip has been sucked in by marketing, I'm afraid I really don't mind. It could have been a paper cigar band for all I care.

Four Kitties

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I didn't get my diamond til out recent 16th wedding anniversary!!!

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