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Bookachow me if you can, I searched the food, science and medical boards and their archives for this but couldn't find it anywhere. This was also accompanied by an e-mail showing pictures of plants dying after being watered with only microwaved purified water, next to plants that were thriving on plain old boiled purified water.
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I have known for years that the problem with microwaved anything is not the radiation people used to worry about, It's how it corrupts the DNA in the food so the body can not recognize it. So the body wraps it in fat cells to protect itself from the dead food or it eliminates it fast. Think of all the Mothers heating up milk in these "Safe" appliances. What about the nurse in Canada that warmed up blood for a transfusion patient and accidentally killed them when the blood went in dead. But the makers say it's safe. But proof is in the pictures of living plants dying.
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A. R. E. C. Research Operations TO61-7R10/10-77F05 RELEASE PRIORITY: CLASS I ROO1a
Ten Reasons to Throw out your Microwave Oven
>From the conclusions of the Swiss, Russian and German scientific clinical studies, we can no longer ignore the microwave oven sitting in our kitchens. Based on this research, we will conclude this article with the following:
1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term - permanent - brain damage by "shorting out" electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue].
2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.
3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods.
4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body.
5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down.
6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.
7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in America.
8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood.
9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.
10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.
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And here I thought that microwaves were just a certain frequency of infrared (heat) wave, and worked on food in the same way. I don't see how any form of heating could cause different effects than any other. Either way, you're still agitating molecules and denaturing proteins.
- Pseudo_Croat
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All this time, I thought DNA was what living things used to structure themselves, and instead it's actually what our body uses to "identify" the food we eat!
That's one intelligent digestive system!
And, pardon me if I've totally got my head up my rear, but when did water start having DNA?
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quote:Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat: And here I thought that microwaves were just a certain frequency of infrared (heat) wave, and worked on food in the same way. I don't see how any form of heating could cause different effects than any other. Either way, you're still agitating molecules and denaturing proteins.
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Yeah, even for the true "microwaved blood" story, the woman died because the blood was cooked, and broke down, as that's what cooked tissue does.
However, I'm inclined to believe that this is all true, as schoolchildren's science projects are the most infallible form of scientific experimentation.
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In reading the case file, it seems the issue is the temperature of the mircrowaved blood, not that it was "dead". According to the footnote, heating blood in a microwave makes it too hot, which destroys the red blood cells, introducing large amounts of potassium. Add to that the fact that the normal blood warmers weren't working or were too slow, so the hospital staff used the microwave in the nurses' lounge. Lunch, anyone?
This case file is actually not about the case itself but about sanctions leveled against the defendant's attorney by individuals charged originally. The hospital and the individual medical practitioners won the original suit, anyway, so I'd say it proves nothing about the microwave theory.
ETA: spanked by Ovalescent. Ouch.
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It certainly looks to me from the experimental photos that the plants are not treated the same, in particular judging by the colour of the soil more water is being applied to the 'microwaved water' plant. It also appears that in the final photos the leaves have not simply died; they have been removed. (In fact the first 3 pairs of photos appear to have been taken at the same time; the only differnce being the first pot rotated through 180 for 'day 3'; day 7 is inconclusive due to the camera angle change then suddenly on day 9 one plant has doubled in size and the other died)
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Ew, that blood in the microwave is really horrible. I'm surprised I hadn't heard about it earlier, either in factual or UL form. That really makes me shiver to think about, that a nurse could make such a stupid, stupid mistake.
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quote:Originally posted by Pseudo_Croat: And here I thought that microwaves were just a certain frequency of infrared (heat) wave, and worked on food in the same way. I don't see how any form of heating could cause different effects than any other. Either way, you're still agitating molecules and denaturing proteins.
Well, not exactly. Microwaves aren't infrared (they are beyond infrared) and they don't heat food directly "all over" the way ordinary heating would. They are just the right size of electromagnetic wave to excite water molecules, which then heat other molecules around them. So heating with a microwave can be very different from heating in other ways. Different substances reflect (most metals), are transparent to (most plastics and ceramics), or absorb (water) the microwaves.
ETA Infrared waves are not really "heat waves". It's a common misconception. All electromagnetic waves can transfer energy to objects in the form of heat. It just so happens that infrared waves do it more efficiently than others because (unlike microwaves) many objects absorb them. Also infrared sources can be extremely bright without annoying people.
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I think it's funny that the memo in the OP supposedly came from Pepsi, since one of the LAST things I would think to microwave is a glass of soda.
Has anyone here tried that experiment? I'd try it except I have no Pepsi (no soda at all) in the house.
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I don't think the memo in question actually came from pepsi, I think that it is the signature of one of the earlier forwarders. My company has a similar "for the intended recipient only" message as a signature on our company emails. You can turn off the signature on personal emails, but not everyone remembers or cares to.
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I thought this would be about the amount of salt put into microwave foods.
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quote:Originally posted by Ganzfeld: Microwaves aren't infrared (they are beyond infrared) and they don't heat food directly "all over" the way ordinary heating would. They are just the right size of electromagnetic wave to excite water molecules, which then heat other molecules around them.
In trying to decide if the UL in the OP is merely stupid, or incredibly stupid, I find that I don't know the answer to one question:
If a scientist were given two containers of boiling water, one heated on an old-fashioned conduction stovetop and the other in a microwave, is there any test that would allow him to determine which was which?
I don't know of any. If, in fact, there isn't one (known today, of course) then the UL is incredibly stupid.
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I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some molecules may absorb microwave radiation and then break down, thus either forming undesireable byproducts or simply becoming unavaliable. Simply heating food (as over a fire) causes this, and it's not implausable to me that the absorption of microwaves will cause undesireable chemical reactions beyond those caused by heat.
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I'll bet money the kid heated the stove water in metal, and the microwaved water in plastic or ceramic. I'm not saying this would make a difference-- just pointing out an uncontrolled variable.
BTW: the comment about microwaved food being bad because it's dead cracked me up. And you usually eat live meat? Even if some plant food is alive in a technical way when it comes from the store, I doubt that after it's been boiled or baked it's still alive.
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quote:Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer: If a scientist were given two containers of boiling water, one heated on an old-fashioned conduction stovetop and the other in a microwave, is there any test that would allow him to determine which was which?
Sure there is: A geiger counter! (Yes, I'm kidding!)
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The problem with microwaves is that, since they form (usually) stable but irregular patterns of microwave radiation (yes, it is radiation -- just as a lightbulb is) within the oven, there is always the possibility of uneven heating and overheating or underheating in one or more places... (sorry, too many science papers has made my English awkward!). That's the biggest danger of microwave ovens: People think of them as regular heating sources but they aren't. So they aren't good for sterilizing things (as we discussed on an earlier thread) and they aren't good for warming blood for transfusions! But for heating food with no uniform heating requirements: why not?
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Many traditional modes of cooking partly or entirely cook food via infrared radiation, which is of higher energy than microwaves. If the EM spectrum below UV-vis was capable of promoting non-transient chemical effects - bond breaking, electron ejection, etc. - then a toaster ought to give you a hell of a lot more cancer than a microwave.
But the energies of infrared and microwave are too low for any of that, so they have identical long-term effect on materials - they raise the temperature. Any good or poor effect on the food is solely a result of having a higher temperature. Thus, bonds break, proteins become easier to digest, and, I don't know, maybe you get cancer or something.
quote: I don't know of any. If, in fact, there isn't one (known today, of course) then the UL is incredibly stupid.
If you want to use directed EM radiation to cause a long-term change in something besides making it hot, you have to step it up to ionizing radiation.
Because microwaves create rapidly-changing magnetic fields that polar molecules can respond to, they can also move electrons around if they're free, as they are in metals, but this won't break bonds. In certain physical arrangements of metals this charge movement can cause discharges, which create a lot of heat. But once the microwaves are turned off, all the electrons evenly distribute themselves again, just like they would if you waved a bar magnet over a piece of metal, magnetizing it, and then removed the magnet.
(I'm not aware of any food product that is a continuous metal, but I think this is an important side-note.)
(With great difficulty I'm holding myself back from writing about radio waves and skin effect.)
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quote: 2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.
OK, I know it's weird to pick out one thing from a long list of questionable statements, but this one really bugged me. How exactly, can you tell whether the human body can break down something if you do not know what it is to start with?
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But you certainly cannot argue with the first question, inasmuch as cerebral polarity is quite evident: I have seen numerous examples of positive and negative people.
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quote: 2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.
OK, I know it's weird to pick out one thing from a long list of questionable statements, but this one really bugged me. How exactly, can you tell whether the human body can break down something if you do not know what it is to start with?
Good observation! I wouldn't have caught that.
I'm really weak on chemistry, but if a molecule was so sturdy that we couldn't dissolve it in our stomach acids...wouldn't it just pass right through as inert?
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quote:Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer: I'm really weak on chemistry, but if a molecule was so sturdy that we couldn't dissolve it in our stomach acids...wouldn't it just pass right through as inert?
Yep. That coin you swallowed as a toddler, for instance. Or corn!
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quote:Originally posted by Silas Sparkhammer: I'm really weak on chemistry, but if a molecule was so sturdy that we couldn't dissolve it in our stomach acids...wouldn't it just pass right through as inert?
Yep. That coin you swallowed as a toddler, for instance. Or corn!
I swallowed a six-sided die once. I watched for weeks, but never did see what I rolled.
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quote:Originally posted by Sydde: But you certainly cannot argue with the first question, inasmuch as cerebral polarity is quite evident: I have seen numerous examples of positive and negative people.
And only 3 posts in! Shameful!
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