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DesertRat
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Every building project in Iraq is being handled by the invading countries, so in fact Iraq is paying us to rebuild the country we destroyed.
They aren't paying us a damned thing. The US government is footing the bill for reconstruction and reparations.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

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xanderfox
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Well I personaly believe a lot of factors lead to the Invasion of Iraq by the US. And thier isn't a single group who we can conviently blame it all on. Lets face it a lot had to do with Bush trying to improve his approval rateing thinking this war would be fast, clean and easy being oblivious to the logistics of it. The Oil Lobbies where obvosily intrested in the oil, thiers no question.

The Biggest problem is the US is in a real No Win situation. If we just pull out of Iraq we will leave the Iraqie people at the mercy of relegious Zelots and warlords who will quickly demolish the new Goverment and make things horrible. If we stay insurgents will contine to attack with suicide bombers, shoot Iraquie civillians just for a chance to get one US soilder and generaly keep things dicey and contine to up the body count. Not matter what the US gets to be the villian.

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abbubmah
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Welcome to the board!

You have summed up the current situation nicely.

As for the causes that put us in Iraq, I think you are right when you say "there isn't a single group who we can conveniently blame it all on." Even though the declaration was issued by the President and Congress, the hugely complex paths leading up to that decision are cause for concern as well.

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Groveldog
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I'm just looking forward to the day when Jenna and Barbara Bush go get Osama for their Daddy, just like George Jr got Saddam for his. Ahhh, the circle of life.


But really, I'm mostly enjoying the irony of the OP's example of Saddam bashing his wife. By absolutely no means am I condoning Saddam and his ghastly actions in real life. But by introducing a Shiite Muslim government into Iraq, the war (and the folks that proudly brought us that program) have set women in Iraq back about 90 years.

Through Saddam's repression of the majority Shiite faction (which is a much stricter Muslim group) women had almost equal rights with men. In fact, Iraq's government had a greater percentage of women than the US does.

With the Shiites likely to inflict strict religious views on all Iraqis, the country is likely to enjoy the fun filled thrills Afghanistan had with the Taliban (that kinda rhymes).
Then again, Iraq was a scary place under Saddam Hussein.

So, I'm not taking sides much. Just suggesting maybe people educate themselves a bit rather than following a partisan view.

Other key words to look up, besides genocide, repression and bastard, might include Haliburton, oil, Kuwait and Cheney.

My Aussie government did the same thing in East Timor. Freed the Timorese from Indonesian control, and did a deal to get massive profits from the Timorese oil rigs.

Sadly, freedom seems to have a price, plus state and federal taxes.


Edited because me fail English, that's unpossible!

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Noemi
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I think this is a re-glurgification, or am I imagining that we've seen this thing before?

Noemi

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Gg83
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Originally posted by Noemi:
I think this is a re-glurgification, or am I imagining that we've seen this thing before?

Noemi

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Noemi
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Thank you! Now I can't figure out why I didn't find that thread when I searched for it.

Noemi

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smartymarty66
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Does every one forget Hans Blix, or the fact that the US started bombing the day before the report came out. The UN did the job it was intended to by monitoring and controlling Saddam. The US and France were doing a great job of Good cop/Bad cop. more information was released during this period than ever before. A little more pressure of this type might have toppled him. Saddam doen't even deserve the "worst dictator ever" title. Comparing him to Hitler really gives him too much credit. What is incredibly frustrating is that there seems to be the mentallity of "Blow them all up" or do nothing, like there was no alternatives.

In hind sight it would have been better if a UN mandated multinational force went in after the initial war and worked at stabalising the country. Contracts to supply or rebuild should have gone to Iraqi companies, not to halliburton. No foreign nationals should have gone there to make good money driving trucks whilst the locals could earn nothing. Much of the resentment against the US forces is the perception of corruption and bias.

If you give people too much time on their hands with nothing to do and treat the genreal population with contempt, then you are asking for trouble.
The US forces that went there were underfunded and under prepared, and I find it quite shocking that anyone who cares about the brave individuals that do put their lives on the line would support any action that was ill conceived and badly managed. I'm sorry I'm ranting a little, but I get very angry at any government that professes to be "for the soldiers" but treats them like shit in reality.

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PallasAthena
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Was anyone else bugged by the tone this father took with his very young child? How is it a good and glurgiful thing to freak your son out so bad that he starts crying. Not being a parent yet, I wouldn't really know, but it seems like the whole thing was a pretty traumatic experience for the kid.

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