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Thera
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I live in Georgia. Our neighbors next door had the fishing one you see on that site, only it was much darker. Yes, that family was racist, we knew it in other ways. I've always known the figures to be racist.
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Originally posted by put it in writing:
Too bad all that info's been pretty well debunked. The "Jocko" story is just another legend.

That's interesting. Do you have a cite?

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Originally posted by put it in writing:
Too bad all that info's been pretty well debunked. The "Jocko" story is just another legend.

That's interesting. Do you have a cite?
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1731660

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Originally posted by Rhiandmoi:
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Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:
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Originally posted by put it in writing:
Too bad all that info's been pretty well debunked. The "Jocko" story is just another legend.

That's interesting. Do you have a cite?
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1731660
Thanks. As a history teacher I am always keen to debunk a historical UL.

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Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
No African-American living today was a slave. Very, very few of them lived segregation. Why do they get the "oh, we struggled mightily" thing?

Some of my ancestors were Mexican Natives, who were submitted, massacred and enslaved by Spanish Conquistadors. Do I get to be snippy to Europeans because of those centuries of aggression "my people" suffered? Or do I grow up and acknowledge that nobody did a damn thing to ME?

Seriously, I'm interested. How does a 20-year-old black American gets to grouse about "being oppresed"? Where exactly do you draw the line?

Very, very few black people alive now lived through segregation? Are you sure? I hate history so I wouldn't be sure about actual dates and all but I know for a fact my mother and siblings and my grandmother and her siblings lived through it (they're still alive, btw).

I am black but don't think I'm automatically reserved the right to gripe about being "oppressed", but I can damn sure atest to the fact that sometimes being black does not work in my favor.

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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.

Systemic institutionalized racism in this country is a memory that is alive and well. Telling people they should get over it is silly.

And this is why no one will ever get passed racism. This is why it will continue and there will be tension between various races. Because no one can move past it. Because people can't get past things like what the implications of the lawn jockey was years ago. I don't think it's such a bad thing that so many people do not know that a lawn jockey was a racial issue years ago. It shows that people are moving on. But what do we do as soon as people start moving on? We REMIND THEM so that it is all fresh and new and painful again. Let's go ahead and rip the scab wide open again. I'm not saying we should all go out and buy lawn jockeys. But what's wrong with progressing past it? I mean, isn't that the goal? I'm not saying bury it and forget bad things ever happened. No. Learn from the past, but don't continue to live in it.
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Originally posted by kallrynne:
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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.

Systemic institutionalized racism in this country is a memory that is alive and well. Telling people they should get over it is silly.

And this is why no one will ever get passed racism. This is why it will continue and there will be tension between various races. Because no one can move past it. Because people can't get past things like what the implications of the lawn jockey was years ago. I don't think it's such a bad thing that so many people do not know that a lawn jockey was a racial issue years ago. It shows that people are moving on. But what do we do as soon as people start moving on? We REMIND THEM so that it is all fresh and new and painful again. Let's go ahead and rip the scab wide open again. I'm not saying we should all go out and buy lawn jockeys. But what's wrong with progressing past it? I mean, isn't that the goal? I'm not saying bury it and forget bad things ever happened. No. Learn from the past, but don't continue to live in it.
Ummm. Hi. I know, as I stated above. I'll be willing to bet that most people who grew up in the South know good and well what those represent. They use them because they represent that, and then use the "it's just a laahn ornament" line when someone calls them on it. Trust me, the stereotype of the "good darkie" is still lauded and longed for openly by some people. It hasn't died. The implication of the lawn jockey is what it was 50 years ago.....

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Oh, DYOC, I know Ryda. I hate those lawn ornaments. Every time I see one all I can think is, "Yes, Massah. I's a good boy." Ugh. It reminds me of hearing my older relatives call grown black men "boy" and referring to their elderly house keeper as a "little colored girl." Yuck.

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Originally posted by kallrynne:
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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.

Systemic institutionalized racism in this country is a memory that is alive and well. Telling people they should get over it is silly.

And this is why no one will ever get passed racism. This is why it will continue and there will be tension between various races. Because no one can move past it. Because people can't get past things like what the implications of the lawn jockey was years ago. I don't think it's such a bad thing that so many people do not know that a lawn jockey was a racial issue years ago. It shows that people are moving on. But what do we do as soon as people start moving on? We REMIND THEM so that it is all fresh and new and painful again. Let's go ahead and rip the scab wide open again. I'm not saying we should all go out and buy lawn jockeys. But what's wrong with progressing past it? I mean, isn't that the goal? I'm not saying bury it and forget bad things ever happened. No. Learn from the past, but don't continue to live in it.
Actually, I am of the opinion I am part of the solution to ending racism. All you have to do is look at a picture of my family.

I think it is hopelessly naive to just sweep it under the rug and treat it as if it never happened, which is, IMNSHO, the real reason we will never "get over" racism.

Denial about our past is not coming to terms with it.

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kallrynne
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Originally posted by Ryda Wong:
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Originally posted by kallrynne:
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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.

Systemic institutionalized racism in this country is a memory that is alive and well. Telling people they should get over it is silly.

And this is why no one will ever get passed racism. This is why it will continue and there will be tension between various races. Because no one can move past it. Because people can't get past things like what the implications of the lawn jockey was years ago. I don't think it's such a bad thing that so many people do not know that a lawn jockey was a racial issue years ago. It shows that people are moving on. But what do we do as soon as people start moving on? We REMIND THEM so that it is all fresh and new and painful again. Let's go ahead and rip the scab wide open again. I'm not saying we should all go out and buy lawn jockeys. But what's wrong with progressing past it? I mean, isn't that the goal? I'm not saying bury it and forget bad things ever happened. No. Learn from the past, but don't continue to live in it.
Ummm. Hi. I know, as I stated above. I'll be willing to bet that most people who grew up in the South know good and well what those represent. They use them because they represent that, and then use the "it's just a laahn ornament" line when someone calls them on it. Trust me, the stereotype of the "good darkie" is still lauded and longed for openly by some people. It hasn't died. The implication of the lawn jockey is what it was 50 years ago.....
Ummm. Hi. Yeah, I'm from a little place called Tyrone, Georgia. I never knew anything about lawn jockeys growing up, I had seen one once on my aunt's horse farm, but then again, she had all sorts of jockey type things in and around her house beings though that both her sons were jockeys.

So, what do you mean by "they use them because they represent that...?" Sorry, but that almost sounded like a conspiracy theory. Everyone with a lawn jockey is part of some underground rebellion.
And what is this?---> "it's just a laahn ornament"

And, honestly, I never heard the phrase "good darkie" before, I've never heard anyone I know refer to a grown black male as "boy."

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I think it is hopelessly naive to just sweep it under the rug and treat it as if it never happened, which is, IMNSHO, the real reason we will never "get over" racism.

Denial about our past is not coming to terms with it.

Which is why I said "I'm not saying bury it and forget bad things ever happened. No." There is no denial there. I'm saying, as I said, learn from the past, but don't live in it.

Coming to terms with something is only one step of the process. You eventually have to actually move on. How long are people supposed to spend "coming to terms" with it before it's okay to take that next step?

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Okay, so who is "living in the past," kallrynne?

You attributed my attitude as the reason we will never get over racism.

Please tell me how.

P.S. If you're from Tyrone, GA, and have never heard a grown black man called "boy," I suggest you've not been listening very hard. I have heard both of my brothers called "boy" while in ATL.

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The fact that you said "telling people they should get over it is silly." Not that I would use the phrase "get over it," but basically, it sounded like what you were saying was it was "silly" to try to get past it.
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I'm sorry, I just don't understand the racial context of the word "boy." I've heard grown and elderly people call anyone younger than them "boy." I've heard teenagers use the term when trying to insult one another, but it's never been in a racially charged argument, it's usually referring to immaturity.
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Originally posted by kallrynne:
The fact that you said "telling people they should get over it is silly." Not that I would use the phrase "get over it," but basically, it sounded like what you were saying was it was "silly" to try to get past it.

No, what I said was it is silly to tell people to get over it.

Given your ignorance about the use of the word "boy" as perjorative, though, I suspect that you have remained willfully ignorant about race issues.

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Originally posted by kallrynne:
I'm sorry, I just don't understand the racial context of the word "boy." I've heard grown and elderly people call anyone younger than them "boy." I've heard teenagers use the term when trying to insult one another, but it's never been in a racially charged argument, it's usually referring to immaturity.

Have you ever read the book "To Kill a Mockingbird"?

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Excuse me? Willfully ignorant about race issues?? Wow. When did this degenerate from a debate to an angry argument? Not once did I mean any offense by anything I said. I was stating my opinion and I won't apologize if it conflicted with yours.

Willfully ignorant about race issues. I have not denied that racism still exists. That's not what I was saying. I was stating my opinion on why I thought it still existed. I KNOW it still exists. I never said there wasn't racism in the south, I just didn't agree with examples given.

I went to a very small christian school where it was against the rules to have same sex or interracial relationships. I was almost expelled 2 weeks from graduation for dating a black guy. I was the only "white" person in my graduating class. The parenthesis are there because I am part cherokee indian, irish, italian, and, oh yeah, black. I've dealt with race issues from several different sides. So, just because I haven't heard or used the term "boy" in any way other than it's intended use does not make me "willfully ignorant" of race issues.

I do apologize if I misunderstood your original statement. But even after your clarification, I still stand by my opinion in that racism will never go away if we don't allow each other to move on and grow as people.

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Have you ever read the book "To Kill a Mockingbird"?
No, actually, I haven't.
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Have you ever read the book "To Kill a Mockingbird"?
No, actually, I haven't.
You really need to.

And please reread my statements; I think you've grossly misinterpreted them.

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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.
I didn't become a racist until I was repeatidly called one, simply due to my race and origin.

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It's more likely that I have poorly translated what was in my head into text. I'm notoriously bad at explaining my point of view. I don't even know why I bother. I think it is in hopes that I will eventually get better at it.

I apologize, I'm not usually so antagonistic. I am grumpy and sick at the moment and I most likely misinterpreted something along the way. I will reread it later when I feel better and will probably end up smacking myself on the forehead at something I misread.

I did, however, just ask my roommates about racial connotations with the word "boy" and no one knew what I was talking about. I also asked if they read To Kill a Mockingbird, and two of them have (back when they were in junior high), but still drew a blank. Guess I should read it so I'm not getting second hand information.

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It is ridiculous to think that racism does not still exist.
I didn't become a racist until I was repeatidly called one, simply due to my race and origin.
You're blaming others for your racism?

Fascinating.

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Kallrynne, I think your not understanding the racial connotations of "boy" may be, at least in part, generational. It's natural for our opinions to be formed by our own experience, but it's important to be open to learning things that are beyond that experience.

For many years, especially in the south, it was common for black men, regardless of their age, to be called "boy" by white men. A white teenage boy might call a much older black man "boy." It was a deliberate act of disrespect, intended to convey that a black male, regardless of age and experience, would always be inferior to any white male, regardless of age and experience.

From Wikipedia.com:

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Another story related by Martin Luther King, Jr. was that once the car his father was driving was stopped by a police officer, and the officer addressed the senior King as 'boy'. King pointed to his son, saying "This is a boy, I'm a man; until you call me one, I will not listen to you."
People are recommending that you read To Kill a Mockingbird because it will give you an understanding of institutionalized racism in the southern US in the early-to-mid 20th century. It is also, IMO, a heartbreakingly beautiful novel about people choosing to live with integrity and courage, even when doing so puts them at odds with everyone around them.

I also recommend the movie, and not just because I adore Gregory Peck. [Wink]

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Lainie, thank you for actually explaining and citing as opposed to cryptically saying I should read To Kill a Mockingbird. Though I do now plan to read the book, it wasn't very helpful at the moment to simply have the book pointed out to me. I couldn't exactly run in the other room, read it real quick and come back to the computer enlightened.

I just hate when things go from debate to argument. I realize I probably started off badly by not rereading my original post and seeing how much it sounded like an attack on AnglRdr.

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Originally posted by Lainie:
Kallrynne, I think your not understanding the racial connotations of "boy" may be, at least in part, generational. It's natural for our opinions to be formed by our own experience, but it's important to be open to learning things that are beyond that experience.

For many years, especially in the south, it was common for black men, regardless of their age, to be called "boy" by white men. A white teenage boy might call a much older black man "boy." It was a deliberate act of disrespect, intended to convey that a black male, regardless of age and experience, would always be inferior to any white male, regardless of age and experience.

I don't think it's a generational thing. I'm younger than Kallrynne and I'm fully aware of the racial heirarchy prevalent in the South. It's not as common as it used to be, but still exists in small pockets...the kinds of towns in which you don't want to run afoul of the social mores. I'm white and grew up in a white community, so when I encountered these cultural pockets they always made a deep impression on me. Also, although racism was not openly waved in my family or town, it was subtle enough for me to learn the "rules" even when I was a young kid. Also I absorbed the cultural history of the South from books, television, and movies.

I find it very hard to believe that a native Georgian who claims to have been the only "white" person in her high school class (but then also says she's part black) has never encountered the use of the word "Boy" in a racial context, nor heard the phrase "good darkie", nor encountered the racial history of lawn jockeys. I'm not calling Kallrynne a liar, I just find it very hard to believe.

I capitalize the word "Boy" because of the way it was used as a form of address. It did not just denote inferiority because race or age, but was a form of dehumanization - a black man wasn't "allowed" to even have a name. If he was a "good darkie" to his massah, he was treated at best like a pet.

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find it very hard to believe that a native Georgian who claims to have been the only "white" person in her high school class (but then also says she's part black) has never encountered the use of the word "Boy" in a racial context, nor heard the phrase "good darkie", nor encountered the racial history of lawn jockeys. I'm not calling Kallrynne a liar, I just find it very hard to believe.

Look, maybe I'm not the best example of a southerner. My background was, in a very complicated and purposeful way, kept simple. I went to a VERY small Christian school, we went to school functions and church funtions, and that was about it. We rarely watched TV, though I did get to watch some saturday morning cartoons, and a few approved movies (I've seen Jesus of Nazareth I don't know how many times, and some how, Star Wars was ok). Everything I watched, read, or did was prescreened. The books in my school library were littered with little black marks where words were censored. So I don't find it hard to believe at all that there is a term everyone else knows that is just now getting to me.

And, yes, I look white, therefore I am considered white. I have a couple of cousins who are darker, and, to me look hispanic. I have an aunt who definitely shows the italian. I look more Irish. Therefore, "white."

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Originally posted by Cervus:
I don't think it's a generational thing. I'm younger than Kallrynne and I'm fully aware of the racial heirarchy prevalent in the South.

I'm younger than Kallrynne as well, and I was fully aware of it.

Kallrynne, I'm betting it's because of your extrodinarily sheltered background. I had a similar religious background, but lived in a trailer park, and had very outspoken, old-style relatives, so I got exposed to the whole thing. I even remember my parents making that old "The blacks were better off in slavery" argument.

Perhaps, instead of assuming your background encompasses everyone's experience, you should get out a bit more or read a bit more before rendering judgement on deep-seated social problems.

You can start here, if you want quick and dirty update on the most recent bigotry:

Southern Poverty Law Center

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Perhaps, instead of assuming your background encompasses everyone's experience, you should get out a bit more or read a bit more before rendering judgement on deep-seated social problems.

I never assumed that my experience was everyone else's. Why do you think I stepped back? As soon as I realized people were discussing things I had no experience with, I flat out said I hadn't heard it. And it feels like I'm getting slammed for it. When the discussion of the term "boy" came into play, I said "I'm sorry, I don't know the connatations of the term." I admitted I didn't know. I was hoping for an explanation, I wasn't saying people didn't know what the hell they were talking about, i was saying *I* didn't know what the hell they were talking about.

As far as me rendering judgment on deep-seated social problems, I was giving my opinion. That was all.

I'm going to stop right here. I enjoy a good debate. Though, as I said, I'm not always good at it, as long as there is no anymosity in it, I always find it quite educational. I started out on the wrong foot here, and now I'm going to step out.

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Let's be careful not to hang all the racism on the south, though. Segregation was a fact of life all across the nation. Out here in eastern Montana, we have lifing breathing racists walking around with no shame whatsoever about their views.

We have a state law that mandates Indian Education for All. You ought to hear what some of these kids beleive about Native Americans. Cigar store Indians are just a western version of lawn jockies.

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Ryda Wong, EBfCo.
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Let's be careful not to hang all the racism on the south, though. Segregation was a fact of life all across the nation. Out here in eastern Montana, we have lifing breathing racists walking around with no shame whatsoever about their views.

Absolutly. I've just found racism against African-Americans to be more blatent in the South. Other sections of the country have other targets, or are more subtle about it.


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Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:

We have a state law that mandates Indian Education for All. You ought to hear what some of these kids beleive about Native Americans. Cigar store Indians are just a western version of lawn jockies.

Reminds me of the guy in Cherokee, N.C. who dresses in full plains garb and has a teepee set up in the res tourist town. A teepee. And people pay to have their pic taken with him. [fish]

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Originally posted by Cowboy Joe:
Cigar store Indians are just a western version of lawn jockies.

They most assuredly are. Thanks for pointing that out!

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Lainie
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Originally posted by kallrynne:
I never assumed that my experience was everyone else's. Why do you think I stepped back? As soon as I realized people were discussing things I had no experience with, I flat out said I hadn't heard it. And it feels like I'm getting slammed for it. When the discussion of the term "boy" came into play, I said "I'm sorry, I don't know the connatations of the term." I admitted I didn't know. I was hoping for an explanation, I wasn't saying people didn't know what the hell they were talking about, i was saying *I* didn't know what the hell they were talking about.

You didn't ask for an explanation, though, and I think that may be where the confusion arose.

There are people, even on this board, who will do what you were wrongly accused of doing: assume their own narrow experience to be the whole truth of the world. If you straightforwardly ask for an explanation when you need one, you can avoid being mistaken for one of those people.

Plus you'll learn a bunch of stuff. I've learned a lot about a variety of subjects by speaking up and asking direct questions here.

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ComicBookGeek
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I think everyone is a racist in some form. It all depends on how much are you willing to admit it, even to yourself

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I think everyone is a racist in some form. It all depends on how much are you willing to admit it, even to yourself

Hmmm...

Nope; I gotta disagree with you on that one.

Remember: don't assume others share your prejudices.

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misfitguy
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Originally posted by ComicBookGeek:
I think everyone is a racist in some form. It all depends on how much are you willing to admit it, even to yourself

My first response to this statement was to disagree, but, then, remembered my own plight caused by my father disliking Mexicans. I felt as I entered adulthood in the 60's that I was not a racist and even openly supported the African-American community in their protests.

When I married a lady with two sons that were half Mexican, though, a lot of the "taught" distrusts came back to haunt me. I raised those boys into young men and they helped me overcome a deeply embedded fear/distrust for Mexicans. This also caused me to ponder all the other "isms" I was raised with, not related to race, but, instead, ethnicity and gender.

I was taught through slurs and jokes that the Polish were stupid, the Dutch were liars, the Jews were devious businessmen, the Irish were drunks and wife-beaters, never trust an Indian, Italians always had an angle but were good cooks, and, maybe because my dad was of German descent, Germans were hardworking and trustworthy.

Talk about a lot of baggage one had to get rid of.

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pob14
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ComicBookGeek, I'm confused. First you said:
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Originally posted by ComicBookGeek:
I didn't become a racist until I was repeatidly called one, simply due to my race and origin.

Then you said:
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Originally posted by ComicBookGeek:
I think everyone is a racist in some form. It all depends on how much are you willing to admit it, even to yourself[.]

These don't seem consistent. Are you trying to work something out in your own mind by your posts here? Because your posts could be interpreted as just offering random excuses for racism.

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