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Skeletons found at an unearthed site in Mexico show that Aztecs captured, ritually sacrificed, and ate parts of several hundred people traveling with invading Spanish forces in 1520.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2006/08/24/bones_back_idea_aztecs_retaliated_vs_spanish/

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*uuhuhuhuhuhuh* *shudders*

From the history I have been taught, of both the Aztecs and the Spaniards, none of them were especially nice people. Plenty of brutality to go around.

My cousins lived in Mexico City for several years and they swear their house was haunted by Aztecs. And they were not friendly ghosts either. - I never see ghosts so I can't confirm or deny their story. *shrug*

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Considering the barbarous nature of the Spanish invaders, I don't think they ate half enough of them.

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Considering the barbarous nature of the Spanish invaders, I don't think they ate half enough of them.

How about all the local men women, and children who were traveling with them? You know, the ones kept in cages for 6 months listening to their companions being sacrificed every morning at dawn?

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I would prefer to have a fuller account, but unless there is significantly more physical evidence other that bones, ther is no evidence that the prisoners were held for 6 months in cages. I realize that there are probably contemporary spanish accounts of the event, but that could hardly count as impartial evidence
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Originally posted by snapdragonfly:
My cousins lived in Mexico City for several years and they swear their house was haunted by Aztecs. And they were not friendly ghosts either. - I never see ghosts so I can't confirm or deny their story. *shrug*

Just out of curiosity, what sort of stuff were the Aztec ghosts doing?

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...I need to have my cousins relate all the stories again...this was back in the 60's and it's been at least 20 years since they were retold to me. - I'm sorry that I don't remember most of the details well, but the communications and presences were malevolent and angry, and IIRC the house was built pretty much right on top of where the ancient peoples would have lived.

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Yeah, I remember my Archaeology teacher explaining that culture, and their religion often has human sacrifices. If I recall correctly, they were conquerers themselves, having been a nomadic tribe that gained control of the area. Spaniards weren't much of an improvement though.
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Indeed. The Aztecs had a cult for Death, and they believed most of their frightening gods demanded endless quantities of human blood to keep the universe running.

In fact, they waged wars and conquered other nations just for making prisoners they could sacrifice. No wonder many local tribes actually helped the Spaniards in a first time, believing they would free them from their cruel Aztec rulers.

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How long will it be before we see traditional Aztec restaurants serving (literally) Spaniards?

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Originally posted by Troberg:
How long will it be before we see traditional Aztec restaurants serving (literally) Spaniards?

And what will PETA have to say about it?

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Unless they are Cocker Spaniards, I don't think PITA will care much.

OH okay, okay. [fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by snapdragonfly:
Unless they are Cocker Spaniards, I don't think PITA will care much.

OH okay, okay. [fish]

They were certainly Betty Crockered Spaniards!


[fish]

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quote:
Originally posted by Little Pink Pill:
How about all the local men women, and children who were traveling with them? You know, the ones kept in cages for 6 months listening to their companions being sacrificed every morning at dawn?

Invaders are invaders, considering how the spanish troops had betrayed their trust, is it any suprise they thought the women and children were equally as bad?
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quote:
Originally posted by Little Pink Pill:
How about all the local men women, and children who were traveling with them? You know, the ones kept in cages for 6 months listening to their companions being sacrificed every morning at dawn?

Invaders are invaders, considering how the spanish troops had betrayed their trust, is it any suprise they thought the women and children were equally as bad?
First of all, the "local men, women, and children" weren't invaders.
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The Aztec attack on the caravan apparently succeeded because the travelers were slowed by the many mulatto, mestizo, Maya Indian, and Caribbean men and women given to the Spanish as carriers and cooks when they landed in Mexico in 1519.
In adddition, I was replying to Sceptic's remark that the Spaniards had deserved to be eaten. I was pointing out that the Aztecs had also been very cruel to the innocent slaves/servants who were with them.

You won't find me defending the actions of the Conquistadors, by any means, and they were indeed the invaders. But the Aztecs were not exactly a peace loving group unfamiliar with violence until foreigners came along and introduced them to it.

Neither group is one I would like to have been at the mercy of.

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quote:
Originally posted by Little Pink Pill:
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You won't find me defending the actions of the Conquistadors, by any means, and they were indeed the invaders. But the Aztecs were not exactly a peace loving group unfamiliar with violence until foreigners came along and introduced them to it.
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Indeed, the conquistadores likely would not have succeeded without help of other tribes that had their own reasons for hating the Aztecs.

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...In adddition, I was replying to Sceptic's remark that the Spaniards had deserved to be eaten. I was pointing out that the Aztecs had also been very cruel to the innocent slaves/servants who were with them.

You won't find me defending the actions of the Conquistadors, by any means, and they were indeed the invaders. But the Aztecs were not exactly a peace loving group unfamiliar with violence until foreigners came along and introduced them to it.

Neither group is one I would like to have been at the mercy of. [/QB]

It's interesting to read the Aztec account of the conquest as it is a simpathetic telling of thier own practices while commenting on the horror of what the Spaniards did.

It's very hard for many people to get their minds around the idea that even the idea of barbarism is cultural. There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.

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quote:
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[QUOTE].... There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.

Widely condoned practices? Such as?
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How about sending our children off for hours every day to be educated by a stranger? I do it but stated that way, it sounds rather barbaric, does it not?

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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
[QUOTE].... There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.

Widely condoned practices? Such as?
Eating beef?

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Yeesh. It amazes me the brutality that humans are capable of, not just historically, but brutality that still happens nowadays as well. I think it baffles me simply because I honestly don't think that I have that sort of brutality in me. I feel guilty as heck just when I skoosh a bug by accident. I can't imagine ever being capable of causing someone else harm. It always makes me wonder if I'm lacking something that some other humans possess, or if some other humans are lacking something that I possess.

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quote:
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[QUOTE].... There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.
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Widely condoned practices? Such as?


... dunno, watching two guys hit on each other's face with big leather gloves until one gives up or falls down conscienceless, maybe.

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Widely condoned practices? Such as?
Well, the Ferengi considers it barbaric and indecent to let women wear clothes...

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
[QUOTE].... There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.

Widely condoned practices? Such as?
Leaving babies in a cage (crib) for long periods of time.
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quote:
Originally posted by remigo:
quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
[QUOTE].... There are practices that are perfectly normal in our own culture that people outside our culture may find barbaric.

Widely condoned practices? Such as?
Cutting off a piece of a newborn's penis.

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