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I don't know if many people on the board follow South Park or some of the things that have been going on since the Scientology scandal, but last night they aired an episode called 'Cartoon Wars Part 2' where they basically padodied themselves creating a scandal that "The Family Guy" was going to dare to actually show the Muslim prophet Muhammad.
When the scenes came time to air, they were replaced with black screens with white writing that said, "In this shot, Muhammad hands a football helmet to Family Guy," and successively, "Comedy Central has refused to broadcast an image of Muhammad on their network."
A statement released by comedy central after the airing said, "In light of recent world events, we feel we made the right decision." (Obviously referring to the events in the aftermath of the cartoon that depicted Muhammad with a bomb in his turbin that sparked contraversy back in September of last year)
Although some people remember that South Park actually had already shown Muhammad in an Episode a few years ago called 'Super Best Friends Club', but they also slipped the image into the Opening Credits last night between Satan and Mr. Mackey.
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quote:Originally posted by cubbie: UM I think Comedy Central missed the memo about the Super Best Friends episode that the prophet Muhammad (pbah) was in.
Ahhh, but that was before 9-11, so it was ok. You reminded me - I was thinking they also screwed up by writing the name 'Muhammad' on the title card w/out the '(pbuh)' after it (isn't it 'peace be upon him'?)
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quote:Originally posted by cubbie: UM I think Comedy Central missed the memo about the Super Best Friends episode that the prophet Muhammad (pbah) was in.
As someone else pointed out, that episode was pre 9/11, so other than the Salman Rushdie incident back in the late 80's Comedy Central probably wouldn't have really thought it was a concern.
However, I do think it was brilliant of Trey Parker and Matt Stone to anticipate Comedy Central's move in light of recent episodes and to hide the Muhammad depiction into the opening sequence.
Maybe in future episodes they will hide him throughout episodes...sort of an anti-politically correct version of 'where's Waldo?'.
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I don't know. Comedy Central may be denying it, but I can't help but wonder if this is all an elaborate prank, and Parker and Stone never intended to show Mohammed in the episode (even if they did slip him into the credits).
quote:Originally posted by Echinodermata Q. Taft: I don't know. Comedy Central may be denying it, but I can't help but wonder if this is all an elaborate prank, and Parker and Stone never intended to show Mohammed in the episode (even if they did slip him into the credits).
surley it'd be a bit hypocritical for them to have a long spiel about how auto-sensorship is a terrible thing, and then to go ahead and not show him.
i liked the episode, though was kinda surprised to see that there was no image of muhammad.
(off topic:- i do agree with the episode in that its stupid for people to back down over this issue)
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Did anyone see William Donohue's (President of the "anti-defamation group" 'Catholic League') statement about the Cartoon Wars episode?
He said, "The ultimate hypocrite is not Comedy Central - that's their decision not to show the image of Mohammed or not - it's Parker and Stone, like little whores, they'll sit there and grab the bucks. They'll sit there and they'll whine and they'll take their shot at Jesus. That's their stock in trade."
Does this guy live in the real world? Has he ever heard of Satire? Can his little mind grasp the concept?
Bill, for your sake, here is Webster's definition:
Satire - 1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn. 2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly.
This episode was not taking a "shot at Jesus" I'm thinking the tiny light bulb in Bill's head is so dim he couldn't figure out that Parker and Stone were using "satire" to point out the hypocrisy of the media here in the United States which has no qualms showing items clearly offensive to Christians, or conservatives (G.W. Bush and Jesus deficating on the American flag) but is completely hands off concerning anything which might offend a Muslim.
Besides, he already got his way by getting "The Bloody Mary" episode pulled before it's scheduled rerun and then gloating about it saying "The decision reflects what I asked for in our news release of December 8...because we exercised our First Amendment right to request that Comedy Central not offend Catholics again!"
I guess Satire isn't the only thing his little mind isn't capable of grasping the concept of...he doesn't even understand the First Amendment!
Again, Bill...for your sake here is the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
First, The last time I checked, Comedy Central was not Congress, and secondly the First Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to protect against censorship, not to use selectively to justify your own agenda!
There is a simple resolution. If you are offended by such things or even if you just don't like South Park's type of in your face, no holes barred satire or anything else on television DON'T WATCH IT but don't prevent me from being able to watch something because it offends you..and for God's sake (with a captial "G") don't hijack my religion or any that of any of the other Catholics around the world who don't subscribe to your Holier than thou stance on affairs and your views that only you are enlightened enough to protect us from ourselves.
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I thought that episode was brilliant: Trey and Matt took shots at a number of targets, including themselves (all those jokes about shows being "up their own ass" and "full of messages").
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quote: This episode was not taking a "shot at Jesus" I'm thinking the tiny light bulb in Bill's head is so dim he couldn't figure out that Parker and Stone were using "satire" to point out the hypocrisy of the media here in the United States which has no qualms showing items clearly offensive to Christians, or sonservaitives (G.W. Bush and Jesus deficating on the American flag) but is completely hands off concerning anything which might offend a Muslim.
I certainly agree that Donohue completely missed the point, but I would go even further to say that it's not a matter of making fun of Christians and conservatives vs. Muslims. South Park has always made fun of pretty much everyone including several religions, handicapped people, gays and transvestites, self-righteous liberals, political candidates of any stripe, many celebrities, the list goes on and on. I think that's why they showed that the Family Guy manatees wouldn't work if even a single idea was taken out of their idea tank. South Park is saying that either everyone is a fair target, or no one is a fair target. I don't think this particular episode has anything to do with liberal vs. conservative (well, the press conference scene was about liberal media vs. conservative administration) or Christian vs. Muslim. It's about the slippery slope of caving in to terrorism. They used Bush because he is the president and Jesus because Christianity is the most common religion in the U.S.
I loved this episode (and also the Return of Chef) and thought that once it came out that it really was Comedy Central censoring the image (this was under debate for several days), their point could not have been better made. A large U.S. corporation is okay with an image that will offend a large percentage of Americans, but not okay with a seemingly inoffensive image that will offend some dangerous religious fanatics.
A lot of my favorite South Park's are the preachy up their own asses with messages ones!
quote:Originally posted by snoozn: [QUOTE] A lot of my favorite South Park's are the preachy up their own asses with messages ones!
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Mine, too. There's more to life than poop jokes and calling Cartman names.
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The first unusla thing to point out is that South Park has, despite the odds, survived. When it began it was brilliant. Awful, cringing, but totaly brilliant. Talking poo, openly racist charcters, regualr killing, " Shut your ****ing face uncle ****er " etc really hit the controversy button.
But then it dipped
Now into its TENTH series, the shows seem to have (like one of its much loved characters) spent a lot of time floating in the toilet. They have mixed political satire with pointless about Talking towels that like to get high and sexual harassment pandas. Weak episodes like the Bin Laden small penis failed to hit the controversy button. Even REMARKABLY up to date stuff like the Capture of Sadam episode just didn't draw the media crowds. Cartman as a nazi seemed desperate rather than controversial. Hell, that show had gone SOUR.
But.... something changed....! An episode about Tom cruise being gay carried a sub-plot about Scientology... a major fall out with a star... and suddenly, after many years...
Suddenly they were popular again!!
THEY ARE CONTROVERSIAL AGAIN!
They HAVE tapped into something here.
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quote:Originally posted by snoozn: I certainly agree that Donohue completely missed the point, but I would go even further to say that it's not a matter of making fun of Christians and conservatives vs. Muslims. South Park has always made fun of pretty much everyone including several religions, handicapped people, gays and transvestites, self-righteous liberals, political candidates of any stripe, many celebrities, the list goes on and on...
I totally agree with you...South Park is and has always been an equal opportunity offender. I only mentioned Christians and conservatives because they were depicted in the al-Zawahiri rebuttal cartoon. (I was going to start listing some of them, but I was afraid that once I got started the list would exceed the number of characters allowed in a post.) Although I do have to admit that I thought it was funny when Bush that the 'Family Guy' episode is protected under the First Amendment, and the media at the press conference act as if they had never heard of it and even ask him, "How are you going to deal with this 'First Amendment?'"
You are dead on with the manatees as well in my opinion, that's why Kyle said, (in what Cartman referred to as one of his gay little speeches) "If you don't show Mohammed, then you've made a distinction between what is OK to make fun of and what isn't. Either it's all okay, or none of it is. Do the right thing."
And...Speaking of them making fun of themselves, I loved in the opening Terrence and Phillip segment when the CBC executive tells them, "Your show has become so preachy and full of messages that you've forgotten how to be funny!"
Finallly, if there is any question whether or not Comedy Central censored the episode or Parker and Stone were "in on it", South Park Executive Producer Anne Garefino answered thar question on the weblog The Volokh Conspiracy in a Thursday, April 13th entry by saying "that the show was faced with two options: deliver the episode as written and animated with Mohammed shown and then allow Comedy Central to censor it, or edit out the disputed scene and write their own language explaining why Mohammed was not being shown and whose decision it was. 'We wanted everyone to understand how strongly we felt about this,' said Garefino. Although the decision to omit Mohammed was not theirs, they wanted the language of the censorship disclosure to be their own.
However, I do have to admit, I was a little bummed when I downloaded my 'Cartoon Wars Part 2' episode with my itunes season 10 pass and the scenes were missing there as well.
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www.spscriptorium.com has some info on that clip of mohammed at the door- uncensored- but its a fake they think.
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"Garefino also confirmed that a short video circulating on the internet, which purports to be the excised South Park scene with Mohammed, is a forgery Cool. There's no doubt now, though she revealed that a scene with Mohammed was animated and does exist. Garefino reported that she still hopes that the original, uncensored episode of South Park will be shown in the near future."
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Aside from all the controversy dabtes, isn't it really depressing that a show like South Park that is shallower than a baby paddling pool hits the headlines- and wins awards- when quality shows with some depth and effort such as Futurama are cancelled.
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"Your show has become so preachy and full of messages that you've forgotten how to be funny!"
Quoted for truth. I think they really jumped the shark this season.
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I actually thought the censored bit was part of the joke. They spent two whole episodes on how censoring the show is wrong and it would bring the end of any seriers to censor an episode, then they censor it. I thought it actually funny. It may have even been funnier than if they had show Mohammed.
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quote:I actually thought the censored bit was part of the joke. They spent two whole episodes on how censoring the show is wrong and it would bring the end of any seriers to censor an episode, then they censor it. I thought it actually funny. It may have even been funnier than if they had show Mohammed.
But see, Comedy Central has already censored an episode, two in fact (three including the Cartoon Wars one) so they are really commenting on all of that. The "Bloody Mary" one, the "Scientology" one and now this one, their point is that after the first one (arguably the Scientology one, as it seems to have recieved the most press) becomes censored then it becomes fodder for censoring anything else, why should chrisitans not get episodes offensive to them censored? After all they bent over for a bunch of Muslim terrorists, by leaving offensive christian episodes on they are saying that they respect christians less, then what about episodes offensive to gays? Or to conservitives? Or to liberals? Or to other countries?
Thats the problem, it has potential to start a domino effect..
However until Christians are more willing to kill people they disagree with en mass I doubt they will get the level of.. Well I guess respect is the best word but really its more fear, then muslims have.
Perhaps South Park could move to Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, they seem (from what I have seen) to be a bit less censor happy, though who knows how they would handle a show as potentially offensive as south park.
quote:Aside from all the controversy dabtes, isn't it really depressing that a show like South Park that is shallower than a baby paddling pool hits the headlines- and wins awards- when quality shows with some depth and effort such as Futurama are cancelled.
Although South Park has its share of "bathroom" episodes (both literally and figurativly actually..) they do have alot of really ground breaking episodes in terms of pushing the limits, making good points about various politicals issues, etc all the while without pandering to any one group.
Its amazing that when I think back to the first episode I saw I thought "I cannot believe they have gotten this on television, even at ten!" and now I look back and it looks so tame..
Now all that said you certainly don't have to like the show, to each their own.
As for futurama, I loved that show, loved it, and it kills me the amount of truly craptastic shows that have been on Fox since then but they chose to get rid of Futurama, a truly great show and one of the only ones of its kind really (in terms of originality of setting and such).
Its too bad Groening(sp?) didn't flex his own muscles and threaten to take the Simpsons to another network if they didn't stop screwing Futurama over at every turn*. Oh well, maybe it was a contract thing..
*When Futurama first came out it got pretty good ratings, but eventually Fox, for some reason, moved its time slot to seven which caused two major problems.. One, it opened the show up to more censoring since little Timmy and Sally may still be up, costing them some jokes and ideas. Second, it put it immediatly following football which meant nearly every single episode was preempted by the game, in fact the show had nearly a seasons worth of unaired episodes left over (from having been completely preempted) after they were officially cancelled (they then moved to cartoon network).
Sad that a show with a good amount of potential, certainly more then half the crap on Fox now, more then half really, was gunned down probobly because some executive didn't "get it".. Oh well, rant over
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Mooommmee and I were talking about this issue last night. Her position is that airing something with proven potential to incite violence is irresponsible. I'm not sure I agree, but I'm admittedly torn. In order for satire on the scale of South Park to be effective, nothing can be sacred. It their pot shots at Christianity weren't "balanced" by equal treatment of every other religion, I'd find the show extremely offensive. Since they're equal opportunity satirists, I take it all in stride. But what do you do when those who don't take it in stride resort to violence rather than letters to the editor, dropping of cable TV or simply turning the dial?
Unfortunately, it seems that the terrorists, extremists and violent seem to have won. They have been able to bully their way into affecting culture and policy thousands of miles removed from anything that actually affects them. I don't pretend to have the faintest idea how to solve the dilemma of free speech vs wise responsibility.
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I think that a show that goes out of its way to be offensive just to demonstrate freedom of speech is rather like a guy who wears a dress to work to uphold the right of equal opportunity.
BUT........
I have a general question. Since when has south Park actually been slated as being OFFENSIVE? I know that from the start people said it was vile, awful, trashy etc etc etc etc. But did anyone actually take a stand and say it was offensive to a belief or lifestyle?
I recall a satircial interview with the creators where there was a Christian guy saying why it was wrong- but I think he was a parody.
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quote:Originally posted by susan_kerry: I think that a show that goes out of its way to be offensive just to demonstrate freedom of speech is rather like a guy who wears a dress to work to uphold the right of equal opportunity.
But what about people who wish to wear a kilt or transexuals?
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quote:Originally posted by susan_kerry: I think that a show that goes out of its way to be offensive just to demonstrate freedom of speech is rather like a guy who wears a dress to work to uphold the right of equal opportunity.
But what about people who wish to wear a kilt or transexuals?
Are there many people who wish to wear transexuals? I would imagine it would be quite uncomfortable.
Oh dear...
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quote:Originally posted by susan_kerry: Aside from all the controversy dabtes, isn't it really depressing that a show like South Park that is shallower than a baby paddling pool hits the headlines- and wins awards- when quality shows with some depth and effort such as Futurama are cancelled.
To say that 'South Park' is "shallower than a baby paddling pool" and 'Futurama' has more "depth and effort" totally misses the mark IMHO.
Yes, when 'South Park' first hit the airwaves it seemed like its creators were solely out to see what they could get away with on the air and push the limits of TV as far as the boundaries would let them...only to go a little further with each episode. Stretching the limits with episodes about alien anal probes, singing Christmas poo, elephants mating with pigs, gay dogs and Mecha Streisand to name a few.
But somewhere, mixed between the pointless fart jokes or as Cartman referred to it as "someone baking brownies" and saying shit 162 times un-bleeped over the course of a 22 minute episode in a parody of NYPD Blue...things changed.
The fart jokes coninued, but They also began taking on more current events and politically charged themes. The pottie-mouthed kids and townspeople remained, but suddenly 'South Park' was tackling hot-button issues like hate crime legislation, stem cell research, steroid abuse, immigration, global warming, the U.S. Presidental election contraversy, gay adoption, Hurricane Katrina, assisted suicide, and even Elian Gonzalez. (to name a few)
They took on religion...satirizing Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Mormonism, Scientology, and Cults.
The beautiful thing about 'South Park' is that you you watch it long enough, you will be offended and or insulted by it. As the Peabody press release said, "The judges felt that it was a bold program that probably offends just about everybody at some point and in doing so reminds us that we need to be tolerant. It's also consistent in its insistence on non-censorship."
For example, when everyone decides that the best way to deal with the Family Guy contraversy is to bury their heads in the sand (using only a snorkel to breathe) one character says, "What we need to do is just the opposite. Freedom of speech is at stake here, don't you all see? If anything, we should all make cartoons of Muhammad, and show the terrorists and the extremists that we are all united in the belief that every person has a right to say what they want. Look, people, it's been real easy for us to stand up for free speech lately. For the past few decades we haven't had to risk anything to defend it. But those times are going to come. And one of those times is right now. And if we aren't willing to risk what we have, then we just believe in free speech, but we don't defend it."
Matt & Trey regularly take viewers to the line of decency, cross over it and then make everything OK again by giving the show a 'moral lesson'.
And, for the people who are critical of the show for being too preachy and miss the 'old days'...never fear, just watch the most recent episode that aired last wednesday, "A Million Little Fibers" which was essentially about Oprah Winfry's private areas ("Minge" and "Gary") in which the 'moral lesson' that Towelie learns is that he shouldn't get high to come up with ideas themselves, but to reward himself after he comes up with them.
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I really don't get offended by things, and South Park really doesn't offend me. The only thing South Park insulted is my intellegence.
It'd be so nice if TV shows would go out on top, instead of trying to stretch things just one more season, just one more season until it's as tired and unfunny as what The Simpsons.
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For what it's worth, South Park is--IMHO--the only show in TV which has gotten consistently better the longer its been on.
Granted, there are high and low points. Seasons 3, 6 and 8 were fantastic; seasons 2 and 7, not so great, and so on. But as a whole, the show has only gotten wittier and more relevant with time. I'm hard pressed to think of a show that's shown similar consistent growth after ten years on the air.
Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if South Park isn't your cup of tea, rock on. But I still know where I'll be every Wednesday at 2200.
(And kudos to Matt and Trey for sneaking Muhammed back in there...)
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quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: suddenly 'South Park' was tackling hot-button issues like hate crime legislation, stem cell research, steroid abuse, immigration, global warming, the U.S. Presidental election contraversy, gay adoption, Hurricane Katrina, assisted suicide, and even Elian Gonzalez. (to name a few)
Where they actually " tackling " the issues, though? Now, I AM a fan of the show, but I don't for a minute thing they ever attempted to tackle an issue. What they did is take a serious current events issue and juxtapose it with utter stupidity.
Thats how we get the stem cell research issue mixed with a storyline about Cartman using them to build his own pizza restaurant.
From seeing interviews with the creators I think that the shows was always intended to be silly- if anything its a PARODY of current events satire-- " See, I've learned something today " was never meant to be taken seriously.
Before each of the early episodes there was an interview with Matt and Trey- both men appeared phoney (quite delibertaly so) even when giving heart-felt explainations about the "point behind the episode."
On of the major features of the show is that it made fun of other shows that tried to seriously tackle issues.
It was only with Isaac Hayes quitting that people suddenly started to take them seriously.
I don't think the show has actually changed one bit. To me lines such as " If anything, we should all make cartoons of Muhammad, " seem to be a PARODY of people who go out of their way to promote freedom of speech.
Notice how the whole focus of that episode is on Family Guy- a show South Park clearly has little respect for? The "ethical" writers turn out to be bloody sea creatures!
This isn't tackling the issue at all, this is having a laugh!
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quote:posted by susan_kerry Before each of the early episodes there was an interview with Matt and Trey
Was this on the DVDs? I don't recall that, but I suppose it could've been a UK thing.
quote:posted by susan_kerry It was only with Isaac Hayes quitting that people suddenly started to take them seriously.
Perhaps more people did, but there were plenty taking them seriously before that.
I don't see why you can't "tackle" issues and be funny about them at the same time. I usually use humor in serious discussions. It helps get your point across and people pay more attention.
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quote:posted by susan_kerry Before each of the early episodes there was an interview with Matt and Trey
Was this on the DVDs? I don't recall that, but I suppose it could've been a UK thing.
No, it's on the DvDs for seasons 1 and 2 (and maybe 3, I don't remember and I'm too lazy to walk 7 ft to my dvd player to check atm). IMO, they kinda sucked, except for the ones where they fed bacon to the pig, but after the first time it got old. I like the way they do them now (commentary for about 1/3 of the episode) much better.
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quote:Originally posted by candy from strangers: I don't see why you can't "tackle" issues and be funny about them at the same time. I usually use humor in serious discussions. It helps get your point across and people pay more attention.
Of course. But I don't think that IS what South Park ever intended to do. It just takes a current events issue and has a bit of a laugh around it.
You can make jokes about something serious but that doesn't mean the issue is being tackled.
As I said above I think that South Park is a PARODY of shows that try to "tackle the issues."
Kyle's (or whoevers) little " I learned something today " speeches were always a mockery of shows that genuinly aimed to put a "lesson" in each episode. The best example is probably Mr Marsh saying " no, It means we GET to go to Church " and then crapping out his mouth.
IF south Park has become a genuine mouthpiece for "lessons" about the issues the it has become the very thing it set out to parody.
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