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Keeper of the Mad Bunnies
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quote:
Originally posted by OTL:

(There are, apparently, people who believe that the "Jef Mallett" who does Frazz is actually Bill Watterson, but I'm not one of them. Still, figured it was worth mentioning.)

Have them go here:

Autographing: "Frazz" cartoonist Jef Mallett, for-purchase copies of collections of the daily comic that appears in the Free Press, from 10 a.m. to noon Saturday at Fraser Bicycle and Fitness, 34501 Utica Road in Fraser [Michigan]. It's part of a spring triathlon clinic.

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quote:
Originally posted by LadyLockeout:
I said I would like it if it were a full page color spread (impossible, but wishful thinking is nice!) of all the highlights of the comic over the past years, and the next to last panel would be an adult Calvin sitting at a desk with a ratty stuffed tiger, flipping through a photo album, and then the last one would be Calvin the adult sitting at the table still flipping through the photo album, except now Hobbes is standing next to him saying something like "C'mon Buddy. We're not through yet"

This reminds me of the movie Secondhand Lions (which I highly recommend!), with the comics of Walter and Jasmine. Different, but the idea of adult Calvin brought it to mind.

Nonetheless, thanks for posting the final strip, Marrya. I think it was perfect, like they are starting out on a new adventure, but this time we don't get to watch.

That just made me very sad.

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The spoof strip I have definately seen before. It's not a particular epiphany. I believe Calvin is busy with homework and blowing off Hobbes' requests to play. It occurs in the middle of one of my compendiums, not near anything. Apologies if I am repeating something said before. I only have an 800x600 screen and the sidescrolling is making this thread very hard to follow.
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Kamino Neko
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I've never really understood the Frazz/Calvin connection people keep making.

Yes, Frazz is a good strip.

Yes, Frazz bears a slight resemblance to what a grown up Calvin might look like.

Beyond that...I'm just not seeing any real similarities.

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Here's what he would look like:

Owen Wilson!

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The links to "Buy Frazz Merchandise" and "Frazz: Live at Bryson Elementary - get your copy and meet Jef in person!" are dead giveaways that Jef Mallet is not an alias for Bill Watterson as he would never allow Calvin & Hobbes merchandising of any kind, and the only time he autographed copies of Calvin & Hobbes books was when he would sneak them on to shelves at a small bookstore in his hometown of Chagrin Falls, Ohio...he stopped doing that after he found that locals were buying them and re-selling them on Ebay.

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Really stale waffles...

(How'd it take me two months to catch this?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Kamino Neko:
I've never really understood the Frazz/Calvin connection people keep making.

Yes, Frazz is a good strip.

Yes, Frazz bears a slight resemblance to what a grown up Calvin might look like.

Beyond that...I'm just not seeing any real similarities.

I agree. Frazz is warm and funny, and the character designs certainly owe a lot to Watterson, but I can't imagine the author/illustrator who fought the syndicate so hard for visual freedom penning such a visually static strip. To me, "Zits" is the spiritual heir of "Calvin & Hobbes" -- the character of Jeremy is an adolescent Calvin -- by turns brilliant and naive, undoubtedly self-centered but capable of deep empathy and compassion at times, and someone who loves his parents while giving the impression that he merely tolerates them. Instead of using a stuffed tiger for his moral compass, Jeremy has graduated to his immediate circle of friends, who, in spite of their diverse characters, seem to be just grounded enough to provide stability in Jeremy's world. Again, the artists owe a debt to Watterson (artistically and thematically), but I think the strip has matured into its own entity.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hobbes:
The links to "Buy Frazz Merchandise" and "Frazz: Live at Bryson Elementary - get your copy and meet Jef in person!" are dead giveaways that Jef Mallet is not an alias for Bill Watterson as he would never allow Calvin & Hobbes merchandising of any kind, and the only time he autographed copies of Calvin & Hobbes books was when he would sneak them on to shelves at a small bookstore in his hometown of Chagrin Falls, Ohio...he stopped doing that after he found that locals were buying them and re-selling them on Ebay.

Ah, but that's precisely why Mallet is really Watterson. See, Watterson decided he did want to make some merchandizing money, but figured there would be a backlash from the devoted Calvin & Hobbes fans if he went back on his word. So, he "retired", and developed Frazz as a product he could merchandize without fan reprisal.

Or something like that. I said I didn't believe it myself, and the rather tinfoil hat nature of that theory is a large reason why.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kamino Neko:
I've never really understood the Frazz/Calvin connection people keep making.

Yes, Frazz is a good strip.

Yes, Frazz bears a slight resemblance to what a grown up Calvin might look like.

Beyond that...I'm just not seeing any real similarities.

I think it goes like this:

Frazz is a sort of grown-up innocent, a guy who never forgot what it's like to be a child. Calvin is the kind of kid who would never let his childhood totally go away.

Smart, independent, and Calvin-esque kids gravitate to Frazz.

Frazz is creative, a songwriter/musician. A good outlet for Calvin's creativity.

Frazz devotes entire strips to song lyrics, much as Calvin did to poetry.

Frazz makes Calvin-worthy proclomations, such as when his girlfriend tells a young boy, "March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb," and Frazz adds, "And in between it moves like a tree sloth with shin splints."

And speaking of Frazz's ladyfriend, she emits a very Susie Derkins sort of vibe.

Frazz is a biking enthusiast, a hobby Calvin could've easily learned from his dad.

etc., etc.

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I don't know it sounds like an another one of those urban legends to me. I mean do the cartoonists look like? Is Jeff Mallet, African American for example and is Bill Watterston Caucasion, or vice versa? Has Watterston ever even spoke about Mallet, or has Mallett spoke about Watterston? Have they been in the same room or are they like Clark Kent and Superman, never together? [Big Grin]
I see some artistic similarities, but I think it was more of Mallet was inspired by Watterston. Keep in mind Calvin and Hobbes was a very influential comic strip he probably had tons of admirers that were budding cartoonists and one of them might have been Mallet. So Frazz may be intended as a tribute nothing more.

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Hobbes
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In his newsletter, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame)talks about the comic strip 'Cow and Boy' and says, "Your first reaction will likely be 'Hey, he’s ripping off Calvin and Hobbes! All he did was change the tiger to a cow!' And you would be correct about that. But it’s worth noting that virtually all comics are rip-offs of earlier ones. Dilbert is essentially Charlie Brown with better math grades, all grown up, with Snoopy gone bad. We cartoonists call that sort of thing our 'influences' so it sounds less larcenous.

Calvin and Hobbes was essentially the illegitimate child of Dennis the Menace and Christopher Robin with his stuffed tiger, Tigger. Being 'influenced' is fair game. With Cow and Boy, the question should be how well he executes. In my opinion, he’s terrific. You’ll be seeing a lot of him.


Cow and Boy

I'm not sure if it will be the next 'Calvin & Hobbes', but some of them are pretty funny...you can definitely see the Watterson 'influence.'

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Watterson himself said Calvin and Hobbes was the spiritual heir to Peanuts, Krazy Kat, and one other early 20th century strip I can't recall offhand. I don't know enough about Krazy Kat to comment, but I can definitely see the influence of Peanuts. Really, Charles Schultz is roughly to comics as The Beatles are to music - sometimes his work looks dull or outdated, but that's only because it's been copied so many times by others. There was a time when that whole motif of children talking and acting like adults (as Calvin did all the time) was unheard of. Now it's everywhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by NZUL:
quote:
Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best,

God, I missed that, scanning down the page too fast. Ladylockout, that's awesome!! That's definitely the best idea yet for a final strip. Here I am, at my work desk, tears in my eyes over that one.

Heck I never read that much Calvin and Hobbes. But may I just add my "Me Too" to the post of NZUL.

Sitting here at work too....had too swallow a few times before I could talk to the costumer again.

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quote:
Originally posted by Van Couver:
quote:
Originally posted by NZUL:
quote:
Originally posted by Mickey Blue:
But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best,

God, I missed that, scanning down the page too fast. Ladylockout, that's awesome!! That's definitely the best idea yet for a final strip. Here I am, at my work desk, tears in my eyes over that one.

Heck I never read that much Calvin and Hobbes. But may I just add my "Me Too" to the post of NZUL.

Sitting here at work too....had too swallow a few times before I could talk to the costumer again.

Awww. Thanks guys. [Embarrassed]

I wish it could happen too.

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Just tossing my hat in as one who had a bit of a sniffle with Ladylockout's idea.
I actually really loved the last Calvin and Hobbes, because for me, it showed that the strip was done with, but it wasn't "over." If that makes sense.

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After reading this thread I feel sorta lucky to have the local papers here carry Calvin and Hobbes even though by the looks of it they might've been drawn around the nearer towards Watterson's beginning of his comic strip career. The papers have been running C&H ever since I can remember reading it actually. Old strips, but still gold nontheless.

OP comment is sad indeed, as sad as it sounds it's also seemingly fitting for the end of a strip like this. I wouldn't disagree.

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quote:
Originally posted by Hobbes:
Cow and Boy

I'm not sure if it will be the next 'Calvin & Hobbes', but some of them are pretty funny...you can definitely see the Watterson 'influence.'

Thanks for the link. It was good. I haven't read a strip that made me laugh like that in a while.

quote:
Originally posted by Kitsune26:
Just tossing my hat in as one who had a bit of a sniffle with Ladylockout's idea.
I actually really loved the last Calvin and Hobbes, because for me, it showed that the strip was done with, but it wasn't "over." If that makes sense.

Yeah, it does. Like that book you just finished, and you put it down wondering what happened next. Sign of a good story, IMO.

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Ironically, I was chatting with someone about Calvin and Hobbes this afternoon.
She pretty much described she would like something like Ladylockeout described, but with a picture of an older Calvin and his kid, who is holding a much loved Hobbes.
That would really rawk.


Now, If y'all will excuse me, the thread has prompted me to hunt down my Oogie owl.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ramblin' Dave. Dry. Crisp. Witty.:
I don't know enough about Krazy Kat to comment, [snip]

Interesting...I wouldn't have thought of Krazy Kat, but now that you mention it, I can sort of see where Watterson was coming from. The premise of KK is simple: a mouse, Ignatz, hates Krazy Kat and keeps throwing bricks at her/him (Krazy's gender is unspecified, but in my mind is female). Krazy, remembering the days of ancient Egypt when cats were sacred and lovers would write their messages on bricks to them, sees the tossed bricks as signs of love. The plot is complicated by a policeman dog, Offissa Pupp, who loves Krazy and tries to thwart Ignatz.

None of this sounds much like Calvin and Hobbes apart from the animals who not only talk but philosophize. (And I realize those weren't original with Krazy Kat, either.) And yet the landscapes frequently become surreal--very few settings are recognizable from one strip to the next, except for the jail where Ignatz frequently ends up. If you compare them to some of Calvin's fantasy sequences, you'll probably see some resemblances.

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Thanks for the info...I know there's at least one book of Krazy Kat strips out there, but I've never gotten around to buying it. I seem to recall Watterson's admiration for it stemmed at least in part from the surreal nature of the landscapes. Also, there's a Sunday C&H strip set in a museum, in which Calvin's parents are seen admiring a painting...the painting is a Krazy Kat cel! [Wink]

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