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As for the "zombification," all I know is that the behavior of the kids I was in school turned very odd when most started their daily marches to the office. Squirmy boys turned to sitting at their desks with glazed-over expressions. I saw that happen with my own eyes, repeatedly. If it helps them in the long run, that's great, but it was freaking creepy for me to watch the changes at the time.
And I seem to remember 4-foot snowstorms every single winter as a child. But it didn't happen. Memory is a strange thing.
I teach at a school specifically designed for kids with ADD, ADHD, dyslexia, and other learning differences. I'd estimate that 15-20% of our school population is on Ritalin or a similar drug. So while this is anecdotal evidence, it's a whole lot of anecdotal evidence. Our kids aren't zombies. Anything but...the drugs help them to focus more, concentrate more, etc.
ADD stands for "Attention Deficit Disorder", but it's a misnomer. There's not a deficit of attention, there's too much. The kids pay attention to everything, which means they can't concentrate on anything. They'll notice that Mark is chewing gum and there's leaves blowing past the window and the date on the board is wrong and the teacher just said something important and John passed a note to Mary and.....
The drugs help them to filter out the excess input and concentrate on what they choose to concentrate on. Not everyone needs them, and not everyone benefits fromthem. But those who use them certainly don't "zombify".
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I still get choked up when I read that strip. God how I miss Calvin and Hobbes!!
The strip where Calvin is drugged into losing Hobbes is quite sad - and I am happy to know that it is a fake. Phew! Between that strip, and the one mentioned in the OP, that would have taken the magic out of everything that is Calvin. Hobbes is real in the same vein as Santa Clause is real, and Mickey Mouse is real... it is the magic involved. ______________________________
Now, on to the derailment:
My mother's last year of teaching third grade, she had 22 students. She expressed her joy at being able to retire, and her consternation at her students for the over-drugging. At 11:25 each morning, her class was scheduled to go to the nurse and get their Ritalin. At 11:25, she was left with TWO students in her classroom - twenty were on the drug.
In 1997, more than 60% of the student population of her K-12 school (total students: approx 450) were on Ritalin.
You can't tell me that that many kids needed drugs. No matter how else northern Wisconsin is screwed up, it ain't THAT bad.
Now, on to my other anecdote.
My SIL adopted two kids from Russia - and both were diagnosed by overzealous COUNSELORS as being ADD/ADHD. My (Registered Nurse) SIL did some checking and decided that it was best - and now both kids are on Ritalin.
Both are doing VERY well. The only problems arise when they don't get their meds on time... the emotional jags are HORRIBLE.
SO, I have tales on both sides. I would have hated to see Calvin medicated. We would have lost an icon!
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When my best friend (now husband) and I heard that Calvin and Hobbes was being discontinued, we were very depressed for awhile. We used to sit around reading those books together. We started discussing what we would like to see for a last strip. I said I would like it if it were a full page color spread (impossible, but wishful thinking is nice!) of all the highlights of the comic over the past years, and the next to last panel would be an adult Calvin sitting at a desk with a ratty stuffed tiger, flipping through a photo album, and then the last one would be Calvin the adult sitting at the table still flipping through the photo album, except now Hobbes is standing next to him saying something like "C'mon Buddy. We're not through yet"
My husband's wish was very simple. "I want Calvin to have a birthday. C'mon. Susie Derkins has had like...four!"
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quote:Originally posted by Astra: The ADD/ADHD stuff was all over the news at the time, and I vaguely recall one of the nearby districts getting flamed by parents for basically telling them to put their child on medication or the child would be expelled - the case must not have made it to the courts, I can't find a legal cite. Rebochan, aren't you from Central Florida? Do you remember anything like that around 1993 or 94? There were so many danged stupid things going on in the Brevard Co. district at the time, I could only absorb so many :roll:
Oh, there's always stupid things going on in Brevard.
I never heard of a lawsuit, but I was also 9 in 1993, so it may have been something I missed. I know that some of my teachers in 1992 essentially tried to strongarm my mother into putting me on medication. Oh no, they had no medical proof. My mom got a hunch about this "conference" and sent my father ahead instead - he is a very imposing person and these women had never met him before. Essentially, he pretended to take notes the entire time under the pretense of discussing them with a lawyer and they all backed down. For all I know they were getting wind of that suit at the time.
See, here's the thing - in a screwy way, they were right, but for all the wrong reasons. It was another two years before I was treated for ADHD, and it was at the consensus of both my pediatrician, my guidance counselor (one of the few good souls in that hellhole), and a licensed psychologist. I was able to get the Ritalin through my pediatrician at the time so the extra step of also being evaluated by a psychiatrist was omitted, but I also regularly saw the psychologist to evaluate and supplement the medical side.
But these were all people who were interested in my health, and none of this ever got moving earlier because these overzealous morons scared my parents away from the problem. I can believe that some people have been strong armed into medicating children needlessly, but I can't believe that the entire thing is a hoax either or that people should not be given help because of some half-arsed notion of "stifling their creativity." The numbers don't point to millions of kids on drugs yet.
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I don;'t have much of an opinion about Ritalin, except I was once misdiagnosed by an overeager but well meaning first grade teacher with Hyperactivity (this was before it was called ADHD), though I was never given medication they felt that I should get held back so I could re-learn social skills or something. But then again, I have seen it work for a couple of kids like this one girl who is a friend of my sisters and really is ADHD and was completely out of control, but she got the treatment and became much more mature and well adjusted. So, I would say it works on some kids, but doesn't on others.
Now about the Calvin and Hobbes strip: I like the strip that aired much better it leaves things open ended so people can still make their own opinions about Hobbes' identity, but I also think that it says that we don't have to give up our childish things and beliefs. There is a part of us that can still be forever young and childlike and "go exploring." We don't have to surrender everything we believe to go into depressing adulthood, instead we can carry on those imaginative creative feelings of our youth (Of course this is coming from the girl who has PBS Kids playing in the background. )
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As for the "zombification," all I know is that the behavior of the kids I was in school turned very odd when most started their daily marches to the office. Squirmy boys turned to sitting at their desks with glazed-over expressions. I saw that happen with my own eyes, repeatedly. If it helps them in the long run, that's great, but it was freaking creepy for me to watch the changes at the time.
And I seem to remember 4-foot snowstorms every single winter as a child. But it didn't happen. Memory is a strange thing.
I teach at a school specifically designed for kids with ADD, ADHD, dyslexia, and other learning differences. I'd estimate that 15-20% of our school population is on Ritalin or a similar drug. So while this is anecdotal evidence, it's a whole lot of anecdotal evidence. Our kids aren't zombies. Anything but...the drugs help them to focus more, concentrate more, etc.
ADD stands for "Attention Deficit Disorder", but it's a misnomer. There's not a deficit of attention, there's too much. The kids pay attention to everything, which means they can't concentrate on anything. They'll notice that Mark is chewing gum and there's leaves blowing past the window and the date on the board is wrong and the teacher just said something important and John passed a note to Mary and.....
The drugs help them to filter out the excess input and concentrate on what they choose to concentrate on. Not everyone needs them, and not everyone benefits fromthem. But those who use them certainly don't "zombify".
Your first comment was uncalled for. This is not an anecdotal evidence measuring contest, and your experiences do not invalidate mine, just as mine do not invalidate yours.
You currently work at a school with special care for these kids. ADD/ADHD is understood a little better than it was when I was a kid. Meanwhile, I went to a public school 15 years ago where a psychologist seemed to want to label every kid with some "condition" and I honestly think some of the parents considered it almost trendy to have a child that required special attention and/or medication. Two different times, two different environments, two different experiences.
With that, I'm going to stop derailing the thread away from Calvin & Hobbes. I know what I saw, I know what my parents saw, and I also know that things aren't that bad everywhere. However, I'm not going to put up with people telling me that I imagined the whole thing either.
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Regarding the faked strip in comparison to the hypothesised end-strip...
I appreciate that the fake one has Calvin not actually looking at Hobbes. If it were to end with Hobbes "dying" like that, better this way, I think. Calvin just simply grows up. We realise it, but he doesn't ... yet.
I just don't buy Calvin reacting to the loss of his childhood friend with "Oh" and leaving him behind.
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quote:I just don't buy Calvin reacting to the loss of his childhood friend with "Oh" and leaving him behind.
Whether or not I think it would have been a good idea, or believe that it was true, I do think that would be somewhat resonable..
How many of us had imaginary friends (be they stuffed animal or otherwise) as children? Does anybody actually remember having a great epifany about them not being 'real'? Or did it just happen at some point that none of us really remember?
The reaction of "oh" would be somewhat appropriate in this sense, there would be no wondering where Hobbes is, or panick about no longer having his friend, rather the (perhaps depressing) relaization that it was a part of his childhood that has faded away (like many parts) and looking back seems somewhat silly (if endearing).
I personally think it would have made an excellent strip, speaking about the waht we lose when we make that transition into maturity, sure alot of great things come with it but alot of great things are left by the wayside as we grow up. Sad, but inevitable, and even if we lose great things we gain great things as well (nobody would want to be a kid forever, even if there are parts of childhood we will miss).
But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best, though I woudln't have Hobbes saying anything but thats sort of a minor detail (though it does go off in a wildly different direction then the OP's example).
The actual last comic does have some meret, implying that Calvin's world keeps going, just our window to it is closed, but I personally (and I realize we are all different) would find one of the other two much more meaningful and an excellent closing to such a great series..
In fact I think I may step out and pick up one of the compendiums now (if the stores are still open).
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quote:Originally posted by AliBaba: This is driving me batty. I'm absolutely positive that the idea of Calvin seeing Hobbes as a stuffed tiger like everyone else had was proposed by a well-known columnist at the time that Watterson announced his intent to stop doing C&H. I want to say it was Dave Barry, but I don't think that's right. -------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by YudanTaiteki:
It's not that out of the question that someone would propose this -- at the time C&H was ending, I thought the final strip would be something like that. I remember actually being disappointed in the final strip, although now I appreciate it more (I don't know if it's because I'm older or not). -------------------------------------------------
Actually, Hobbes already found the article I had been thinking of. And by the way, Thanks, Hobbes, for saving my sanity. I knew I'd read that article. And Welcome!
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quote: It was conceived in an article in the Washington Post on November 19, 1995 written by Frank Ahrens called “So Long, Kid: An Obituary For a Boy, His Tiger and Our Innocence”, after Bill Watterson had announced that the final Calvin and Hobbes cartoon would be printed on December 31st.
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I am ADD, and have never been medicated. I have tried (at various times in my life) to self medicate, but that never helps, and causes more problems than it solves. Anyway, I have done quite a bit of research on ADD, ADHD, and several of the medications that are currently prescribed to children. I have also had many conversations with my MIL, who is a Jr High Teacher, with a Masters in Special Ed, who ONLY deals with Special Needs kids so that they can attempt to pass the Reading sections of the TAKS(Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills), as required for advancement. I realize now that I would have GREATLY benefitted from medication, but that was just not done so much in the 70s and 80s. My mom tried everything, from the Feingold diet (eliminating sugars and red dye) to counseling, etc, but I stayed an underachiever. I simply did not stay challenged by my work, therefore I got bored and slacked. My harder classes were the ones that I excelled in, but English, Math, etc I was close to failing because I never turned in homework. ADD/ADHD is something that is never outgrown. I know that I have a problem, so I am more able to cope with it now, but I still realize on occasion that I have allowed myself to get distracted. Plus, I will go through a week, having stayed busy the entire week, but never really getting anything done because I get sidetracked so that I never finish anything.
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quote:Originally posted by Griffin stuck in the Candy Floss: ADD/ADHD is something that is never outgrown. I know that I have a problem, so I am more able to cope with it now, but I still realize on occasion that I have allowed myself to get distracted. Plus, I will go through a week, having stayed busy the entire week, but never really getting anything done because I get sidetracked so that I never finish anything.
I would not say "never". If I recall correctly there are many ADHD patients who do not require medication into adulthood. I took myself off medication years ago, but I am considering resuming it--after a serious change in my diet, I discovered that ADHD tendencies that I was compensating for without medicine were getting worse. I have a personal theory that caffeine was substituting for many years. Even so, I am at the peak of a slacker's career. Anything that requires continuous attention or study eludes me, and as I don't intend to be a helpdesk technician forever, it's time to do something about it.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best,
God, I missed that, scanning down the page too fast. Ladylockout, that's awesome!! That's definitely the best idea yet for a final strip. Here I am, at my work desk, tears in my eyes over that one.
That is definitely what I'm going to picture for adult Calvin's future. Now ... what does adult Calvin look like? What's he do for a living? Hehehe, so many questions!
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quote:Originally posted by NZUL: That is definitely what I'm going to picture for adult Calvin's future. Now ... what does adult Calvin look like? What's he do for a living? Hehehe, so many questions!
(There are, apparently, people who believe that the "Jef Mallett" who does Frazz is actually Bill Watterson, but I'm not one of them. Still, figured it was worth mentioning.)
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quote:Originally posted by OTL: (There are, apparently, people who believe that the "Jef Mallett" who does Frazz is actually Bill Watterson, but I'm not one of them. Still, figured it was worth mentioning.)
Have them go here:
Autographing: "Frazz" cartoonist Jef Mallett, for-purchase copies of collections of the daily comic that appears in the Free Press, from 10 a.m. to noon Saturday at Fraser Bicycle and Fitness, 34501 Utica Road in Fraser [Michigan]. It's part of a spring triathlon clinic.
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quote:Originally posted by LadyLockeout: I said I would like it if it were a full page color spread (impossible, but wishful thinking is nice!) of all the highlights of the comic over the past years, and the next to last panel would be an adult Calvin sitting at a desk with a ratty stuffed tiger, flipping through a photo album, and then the last one would be Calvin the adult sitting at the table still flipping through the photo album, except now Hobbes is standing next to him saying something like "C'mon Buddy. We're not through yet"
This reminds me of the movie Secondhand Lions (which I highly recommend!), with the comics of Walter and Jasmine. Different, but the idea of adult Calvin brought it to mind.
Nonetheless, thanks for posting the final strip, Marrya. I think it was perfect, like they are starting out on a new adventure, but this time we don't get to watch.
That just made me very sad.
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The spoof strip I have definately seen before. It's not a particular epiphany. I believe Calvin is busy with homework and blowing off Hobbes' requests to play. It occurs in the middle of one of my compendiums, not near anything. Apologies if I am repeating something said before. I only have an 800x600 screen and the sidescrolling is making this thread very hard to follow.
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The links to "Buy Frazz Merchandise" and "Frazz: Live at Bryson Elementary - get your copy and meet Jef in person!" are dead giveaways that Jef Mallet is not an alias for Bill Watterson as he would never allow Calvin & Hobbes merchandising of any kind, and the only time he autographed copies of Calvin & Hobbes books was when he would sneak them on to shelves at a small bookstore in his hometown of Chagrin Falls, Ohio...he stopped doing that after he found that locals were buying them and re-selling them on Ebay.
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quote:Originally posted by Kamino Neko: I've never really understood the Frazz/Calvin connection people keep making.
Yes, Frazz is a good strip.
Yes, Frazz bears a slight resemblance to what a grown up Calvin might look like.
Beyond that...I'm just not seeing any real similarities.
I agree. Frazz is warm and funny, and the character designs certainly owe a lot to Watterson, but I can't imagine the author/illustrator who fought the syndicate so hard for visual freedom penning such a visually static strip. To me, "Zits" is the spiritual heir of "Calvin & Hobbes" -- the character of Jeremy is an adolescent Calvin -- by turns brilliant and naive, undoubtedly self-centered but capable of deep empathy and compassion at times, and someone who loves his parents while giving the impression that he merely tolerates them. Instead of using a stuffed tiger for his moral compass, Jeremy has graduated to his immediate circle of friends, who, in spite of their diverse characters, seem to be just grounded enough to provide stability in Jeremy's world. Again, the artists owe a debt to Watterson (artistically and thematically), but I think the strip has matured into its own entity.
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quote:Originally posted by Hobbes: The links to "Buy Frazz Merchandise" and "Frazz: Live at Bryson Elementary - get your copy and meet Jef in person!" are dead giveaways that Jef Mallet is not an alias for Bill Watterson as he would never allow Calvin & Hobbes merchandising of any kind, and the only time he autographed copies of Calvin & Hobbes books was when he would sneak them on to shelves at a small bookstore in his hometown of Chagrin Falls, Ohio...he stopped doing that after he found that locals were buying them and re-selling them on Ebay.
Ah, but that's precisely why Mallet is really Watterson. See, Watterson decided he did want to make some merchandizing money, but figured there would be a backlash from the devoted Calvin & Hobbes fans if he went back on his word. So, he "retired", and developed Frazz as a product he could merchandize without fan reprisal.
Or something like that. I said I didn't believe it myself, and the rather tinfoil hat nature of that theory is a large reason why.
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quote:Originally posted by Kamino Neko: I've never really understood the Frazz/Calvin connection people keep making.
Yes, Frazz is a good strip.
Yes, Frazz bears a slight resemblance to what a grown up Calvin might look like.
Beyond that...I'm just not seeing any real similarities.
I think it goes like this:
Frazz is a sort of grown-up innocent, a guy who never forgot what it's like to be a child. Calvin is the kind of kid who would never let his childhood totally go away.
Smart, independent, and Calvin-esque kids gravitate to Frazz.
Frazz is creative, a songwriter/musician. A good outlet for Calvin's creativity.
Frazz devotes entire strips to song lyrics, much as Calvin did to poetry.
Frazz makes Calvin-worthy proclomations, such as when his girlfriend tells a young boy, "March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb," and Frazz adds, "And in between it moves like a tree sloth with shin splints."
And speaking of Frazz's ladyfriend, she emits a very Susie Derkins sort of vibe.
Frazz is a biking enthusiast, a hobby Calvin could've easily learned from his dad.
etc., etc.
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I don't know it sounds like an another one of those urban legends to me. I mean do the cartoonists look like? Is Jeff Mallet, African American for example and is Bill Watterston Caucasion, or vice versa? Has Watterston ever even spoke about Mallet, or has Mallett spoke about Watterston? Have they been in the same room or are they like Clark Kent and Superman, never together? I see some artistic similarities, but I think it was more of Mallet was inspired by Watterston. Keep in mind Calvin and Hobbes was a very influential comic strip he probably had tons of admirers that were budding cartoonists and one of them might have been Mallet. So Frazz may be intended as a tribute nothing more.
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In his newsletter, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame)talks about the comic strip 'Cow and Boy' and says, "Your first reaction will likely be 'Hey, he’s ripping off Calvin and Hobbes! All he did was change the tiger to a cow!' And you would be correct about that. But it’s worth noting that virtually all comics are rip-offs of earlier ones. Dilbert is essentially Charlie Brown with better math grades, all grown up, with Snoopy gone bad. We cartoonists call that sort of thing our 'influences' so it sounds less larcenous.
Calvin and Hobbes was essentially the illegitimate child of Dennis the Menace and Christopher Robin with his stuffed tiger, Tigger. Being 'influenced' is fair game. With Cow and Boy, the question should be how well he executes. In my opinion, he’s terrific. You’ll be seeing a lot of him.
I'm not sure if it will be the next 'Calvin & Hobbes', but some of them are pretty funny...you can definitely see the Watterson 'influence.'
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Watterson himself said Calvin and Hobbes was the spiritual heir to Peanuts, Krazy Kat, and one other early 20th century strip I can't recall offhand. I don't know enough about Krazy Kat to comment, but I can definitely see the influence of Peanuts. Really, Charles Schultz is roughly to comics as The Beatles are to music - sometimes his work looks dull or outdated, but that's only because it's been copied so many times by others. There was a time when that whole motif of children talking and acting like adults (as Calvin did all the time) was unheard of. Now it's everywhere.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best,
God, I missed that, scanning down the page too fast. Ladylockout, that's awesome!! That's definitely the best idea yet for a final strip. Here I am, at my work desk, tears in my eyes over that one.
Heck I never read that much Calvin and Hobbes. But may I just add my "Me Too" to the post of NZUL.
Sitting here at work too....had too swallow a few times before I could talk to the costumer again.
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quote:Originally posted by Mickey Blue: But in a perfect world I do like Ladylockout's idea the best,
God, I missed that, scanning down the page too fast. Ladylockout, that's awesome!! That's definitely the best idea yet for a final strip. Here I am, at my work desk, tears in my eyes over that one.
Heck I never read that much Calvin and Hobbes. But may I just add my "Me Too" to the post of NZUL.
Sitting here at work too....had too swallow a few times before I could talk to the costumer again.
Awww. Thanks guys.
I wish it could happen too.
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Just tossing my hat in as one who had a bit of a sniffle with Ladylockout's idea. I actually really loved the last Calvin and Hobbes, because for me, it showed that the strip was done with, but it wasn't "over." If that makes sense.
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After reading this thread I feel sorta lucky to have the local papers here carry Calvin and Hobbes even though by the looks of it they might've been drawn around the nearer towards Watterson's beginning of his comic strip career. The papers have been running C&H ever since I can remember reading it actually. Old strips, but still gold nontheless.
OP comment is sad indeed, as sad as it sounds it's also seemingly fitting for the end of a strip like this. I wouldn't disagree.
I'm not sure if it will be the next 'Calvin & Hobbes', but some of them are pretty funny...you can definitely see the Watterson 'influence.'
Thanks for the link. It was good. I haven't read a strip that made me laugh like that in a while.
quote:Originally posted by Kitsune26: Just tossing my hat in as one who had a bit of a sniffle with Ladylockout's idea. I actually really loved the last Calvin and Hobbes, because for me, it showed that the strip was done with, but it wasn't "over." If that makes sense.
Yeah, it does. Like that book you just finished, and you put it down wondering what happened next. Sign of a good story, IMO.
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Ironically, I was chatting with someone about Calvin and Hobbes this afternoon. She pretty much described she would like something like Ladylockeout described, but with a picture of an older Calvin and his kid, who is holding a much loved Hobbes. That would really rawk.
Now, If y'all will excuse me, the thread has prompted me to hunt down my Oogie owl.
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quote:Originally posted by Ramblin' Dave. Dry. Crisp. Witty.: I don't know enough about Krazy Kat to comment, [snip]
Interesting...I wouldn't have thought of Krazy Kat, but now that you mention it, I can sort of see where Watterson was coming from. The premise of KK is simple: a mouse, Ignatz, hates Krazy Kat and keeps throwing bricks at her/him (Krazy's gender is unspecified, but in my mind is female). Krazy, remembering the days of ancient Egypt when cats were sacred and lovers would write their messages on bricks to them, sees the tossed bricks as signs of love. The plot is complicated by a policeman dog, Offissa Pupp, who loves Krazy and tries to thwart Ignatz.
None of this sounds much like Calvin and Hobbes apart from the animals who not only talk but philosophize. (And I realize those weren't original with Krazy Kat, either.) And yet the landscapes frequently become surreal--very few settings are recognizable from one strip to the next, except for the jail where Ignatz frequently ends up. If you compare them to some of Calvin's fantasy sequences, you'll probably see some resemblances.
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Thanks for the info...I know there's at least one book of Krazy Kat strips out there, but I've never gotten around to buying it. I seem to recall Watterson's admiration for it stemmed at least in part from the surreal nature of the landscapes. Also, there's a Sunday C&H strip set in a museum, in which Calvin's parents are seen admiring a painting...the painting is a Krazy Kat cel!
-------------------- Another lifetime I'd have fallen in love with you Swept away by my feelings, ashamed and confused But just now it's enough to be walking with you Let the mystery play as it will! -Lui Collins Posts: 2669 | From: Jouy en Josas, France | Registered: May 2005
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