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Santa Mari-a
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I've noticed that it's increasingly common to have no opening credits in a movie, but to shift them to the end. Is there a reason for this? It doesn't ruin the movie for me, but it does get a bit annoying to keep thinking, "Now who is that guy?" only to have to wait until after the film to find out.

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A lot depends upon the film, and the contracts the cast and crew have. For example, a director who is a member of the DGA is contractually entitled to have his/her name on a separate card on the last frame before the movie begins (source).

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Yuu have to give credit to people working on movies nowadays. The various unions and guilds in Hollywood demand that credit be givin. I suppose you don't have to put them at the start, but I assume you have to put them at the ending unless the people request to not be credited.

ETA: Darn it spanked. Anglelrdr explained it alot better too.

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And if you sit through all the credits at the end of a movie, sometimes you get an extra bit of movie afterwards, so that's why I always stick around. [Wink]

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Nappy Solo
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So here is a question on this subject: When TBS or somebody on Network TV runs the credits at the end of a movie, they compress them to the edge and run them so fast that nobody could even attempt to read them. If that just so they have met some requirement that the best boy, gaffer, caterer, etc. are being credited? I stay for credits at the end of a movie as well. Sometimes they throw in something funny, or worthwhile.

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What I would imagine is that when a television network purchases the rights to air a program, they agree to show the titles that were done for the cinematic release, but are allowed to do so in a compresssed time period, since most films plus commercials plus credits would overrun the 2 hours generally allotted for them.

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Hold on -- are we talking about credits, or titles?

There are some movies, Batman Begins to give a recent example, that don't even give the title of the movie until the end. Apocalypse Now is another classic example.

Then there are movies that give the title up front, but no credits. Star Wars is the most familiar example, though it wasn't the first.

Both of these are done for specific reasons: to prevent the viewer from dwelling on the fact that they're watching a movie. There are no actors -- that's really Han Solo!

Beyond that, you've got the old-fashioned front credits (including Ralph the Wonder Llama) versus the end credits more typical today.

Let's clarify our terms.

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steve s
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George Lucas quit the directors guild over this issue. None of the Star Wars movies have opening credits.

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Hold on -- are we talking about credits, or titles?

There are some movies, Batman Begins to give a recent example, that don't even give the title of the movie until the end. Apocalypse Now is another classic example.

Then there are movies that give the title up front, but no credits. Star Wars is the most familiar example, though it wasn't the first.

Both of these are done for specific reasons: to prevent the viewer from dwelling on the fact that they're watching a movie. There are no actors -- that's really Han Solo!

Beyond that, you've got the old-fashioned front credits (including Ralph the Wonder Llama) versus the end credits more typical today.

Let's clarify our terms.

Titles are the slides at the beginning and/or end of a film which give credit to those who worked on it.

So, the terms are often used interchangeably.

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Yes, I'm aware of that. The question is, which are we talking about? The Star Wars, The Matrix, or The Abyss type, or the more extreme Apocalypse Now or Robocop 2 style?

Or does it matter, since none have any indication of the cast at the start of the movie whatsoever?

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quote:
Originally posted by Grumpy:
Yes, I'm aware of that. The question is, which are we talking about? The Star Wars, The Matrix, or The Abyss type, or the more extreme Apocalypse Now or Robocop 2 style?

Or does it matter, since none have any indication of the cast at the start of the movie whatsoever?

Well, that is a much different question. To which I will give my original response: it depends.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nappy Solo:
So here is a question on this subject: When TBS or somebody on Network TV runs the credits at the end of a movie, they compress them to the edge and run them so fast that nobody could even attempt to read them. If that just so they have met some requirement that the best boy, gaffer, caterer, etc. are being credited? I stay for credits at the end of a movie as well. Sometimes they throw in something funny, or worthwhile.

I think it's just to annoy people. [Razz]

Actually the quick run is probably because airtime is too vaulable to run the credits in 'realtime'.

If they can squeeze 5 minutes of credits into a minute, they have an extra block of ads they can sell. It also allows for a bit less of the movie to be edited out.

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An interesting tidbit:

When Episode II showed on Imax, they ran the entire credits, but spaced it out ALL ACROSS the screen, and faded it in and out instead of scrolled it, so that it was a total of like 7 or 8 screens worth, and took about 45 seconds.

Now that's some good end titlin'.

Since, they've made Imax stock thinner, and are able to squeeze out a few more minutes per reel, and probably show it more normal-like.

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quote:
Originally posted by AnglRdr:
A lot depends upon the film, and the contracts the cast and crew have. For example, a director who is a member of the DGA is contractually entitled to have his/her name on a separate card on the last frame before the movie begins (source).

Untrue. That is the rule, but the rule can be waived by request. (See this -- under "Waivers"). It's routinely allowed if no individual is given a credit at the start of the film; the director's name must be the first title after the end of the film. The recent Good Night and Good Luck, as an example, did not have director's credit until the end.

Lucas was fined for putting Irvin Kirshner's name at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. He paid the fine (pocket change from what the movie made him) and the DGA changed their rules to allow this sort of display.

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Uhm, okay. Waivers can be given to the rule, on that I stand corrected.

What I cited is not "untrue," however.

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Latiam
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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory had a few, but it was in a sequence before the movie, which is fantasy anyway. And then it segued into machines making chocolate, for quite a while before you saw a person. It was pretty seamless - I liked it.

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All's I can tell you is that if you need to guess an actor's pay, check to see if their name comes before or after the title of the movie.
Before: Got way too much friggin' money.
After: Still got way too much friggin' money.

Oh, whoops. Nevermind.

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