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I don't think there is an original meaning for this word other than what it says there in the Urban Dictionary.
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Aha. In that case I guess I agree with Sanity Zero- the word is a rather rude and racist way of describing food coma, as we called it in college.
Kita, have you heard other meanings or origins for it?
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I don't hate you for asking the question, but why did you want to know? Just curious.
How did such a horrible term get started, anyway? I get sleepy after I eat, too, and I'm not a Black person.
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quote:Originally posted by Signora Del Drago: I don't hate you for asking the question, but why did you want to know? Just curious.
How did such a horrible term get started, anyway? I get sleepy after I eat, too, and I'm not a Black person.
Well I think that's the point. Its like, what the heck does food coma have to do with being black? My boyfriend and I go into food comas pretty much every time we're allowed near pizza hut breadsticks, and we're white. I think the question is basically "Huh??"
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Apparently the term started in the term started as an 'urban' thing. Which of course means black people came up with it, because everyone from a city is black. I wonder about that too. Is the word 'urban' the new PC term for 'African-American'. It seems so, perhaps only when it relates to accessories but not the actualy person (i.e.- music, clothes, language, etc.). I wonder if it just happens that big city folks all act that way and it's only the black people around the rest of the world that appreciate it. I'm not racist or anything, I have 'urban' friends :-) I just think it's funny how things get labeled now. Perhaps the whole niggeritis thing started as part of the whole faux-enlightenment thing where: 'You don't have to be black to be a nigger, nigger just means an ignorant person.' I know a lot of people that subscribe to this mentality. Either that, or: 'I don't mind black people, it's the ones that act like a stereotype that bother me.' I think people fail to realize that this sort of attitude is just as stereotypical as the people they claim not to like.
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I'd never heard this term before, but after reading the definition in the link I think it's saying (and this isn't an answer to the OP, but rather an attempt at clarification for Signora Del Drago and Nocturnal Goddess)that Black people are lazy all the time, not just after they eat. Therefore, when someone not Black eats and gets a food coma or whatever, it makes them lazy like a Black person.
*Note: I do not in any way agree with this or think it's true, it's just what I got from the definition, trying to clear up some confusion. I think the term is disgusting and besides, the suffix "-itis" means "inflammation of" anyway. So there.
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quote:posted by Sanity Zero Is the word 'urban' the new PC term for 'African-American'. It seems so, perhaps only when it relates to accessories but not the actualy person (i.e.- music, clothes, language, etc.).
Apparently it is. One of my jobs is at a retail store and the tag code on Rocawear, Apple Bottoms, Baby Phat, etc. is "Urban Wear" Which, while still strange to me, is better than what it used to say: "Street" What the hell? Street? Anyway, if it was using Urban as just meaning big city, then why not tag DKNY the same way?
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quote:Originally posted by candy from Ron Mexico: I'd never heard this term before, but after reading the definition in the link I think it's saying (and this isn't an answer to the OP, but rather an attempt at clarification for Signora Del Drago and Nocturnal Goddess)that Black people are lazy all the time, not just after they eat. Therefore, when someone not Black eats and gets a food coma or whatever, it makes them lazy like a Black person.
*Note: I do not in any way agree with this or think it's true, it's just what I got from the definition, trying to clear up some confusion. I think the term is disgusting and besides, the suffix "-itis" means "inflammation of" anyway. So there.
Hmmm... Why do you feel the need to explain that you don't agree with it? It's only rhetoric really... I just noticed that a lot of people do this. I don't understand why. I mean, why be apologetic about understanding a point of view, even if you don't agree with it. I just don't get it. It's like people who have no problem swearing loudly or who will say some of the most vile profanities to kindergartners will still refer only to 'the N word'. And this is only after looking around cautiously to ensure that noone disapproving is about.
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: Apparently the term started in the term started as an 'urban' thing. Which of course means black people came up with it, because everyone from a city is black. I wonder about that too. Is the word 'urban' the new PC term for 'African-American'. It seems so, perhaps only when it relates to accessories but not the actualy person (i.e.- music, clothes, language, etc.). I wonder if it just happens that big city folks all act that way and it's only the black people around the rest of the world that appreciate it. I'm not racist or anything, I have 'urban' friends :-) I just think it's funny how things get labeled now. Perhaps the whole niggeritis thing started as part of the whole faux-enlightenment thing where: 'You don't have to be black to be a nigger, nigger just means an ignorant person.' I know a lot of people that subscribe to this mentality. Either that, or: 'I don't mind black people, it's the ones that act like a stereotype that bother me.' I think people fail to realize that this sort of attitude is just as stereotypical as the people they claim not to like.
Why do you think it started in the city? Urban Dictionary says it is from the Caribbean.
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quote:Originally posted by candy from Ron Mexico: I'd never heard this term before, but after reading the definition in the link I think it's saying (and this isn't an answer to the OP, but rather an attempt at clarification for Signora Del Drago and Nocturnal Goddess)that Black people are lazy all the time, not just after they eat. Therefore, when someone not Black eats and gets a food coma or whatever, it makes them lazy like a Black person.
*Note: I do not in any way agree with this or think it's true, it's just what I got from the definition, trying to clear up some confusion. I think the term is disgusting and besides, the suffix "-itis" means "inflammation of" anyway. So there.
Hmmm... Why do you feel the need to explain that you don't agree with it? It's only rhetoric really... I just noticed that a lot of people do this. I don't understand why. I mean, why be apologetic about understanding a point of view, even if you don't agree with it. I just don't get it. It's like people who have no problem swearing loudly or who will say some of the most vile profanities to kindergartners will still refer only to 'the N word'. And this is only after looking around cautiously to ensure that noone disapproving is about.
Because, sadly, it's necessary. People are so over-the-top PC these days that, unfortunatly, any semblance of individual thought needs a large disclaimer. It's kinda like the heat gun that says not to use it to try hair... the world's become afraid of it's own shadow.
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quote:that Black people are lazy all the time, not just after they eat. Therefore, when someone not Black eats and gets a food coma or whatever, it makes them lazy like a Black person.
I stated this, but I don't agree with it. Though I did write that that's what I got from the definition, I could see how typing what is basically "Here's how it looks to me, Black people are always lazy" might sound kinda bad. I would personally rather someone think me too cautious than think me rasict.
ETA: Also, what Nocturnal Goddess said is good too
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Honestly, I thought my Dad coined this term in the mid-60s. What surprises me is that it was ever repeated, much less heard by someone with enough social grace or computer literacy to try and write a definition for it. I had no idea that his term made it outside the living room of our house on 26th and Lloyd.
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I had this long post ready to go, then Nocturnal and Candy beat me to it.
Is that considered being spanked? Or do I have to actually post it first?
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quote:Originally posted by thistleS: Why do you think it started in the city? Urban Dictionary says it is from the Caribbean.
I didn't think it came from the city. My reference was to the fact that the definition was found in an 'urban' dictionary. Urban of course means: Of, relating to, or located in a city. Characteristic of the city or city life.
You are right of course. It would be impossible for the word to originate in the city if it originated in the caribbean... I mean I though because it was an Urban Dictionary website that it meant it came from the city, and I see now how stupid it was to assume that 'city' and 'caribbean' must be mutually exclusive places. No way there could be a city in the Caribbean... no sir... oh wait..
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We have this little phenomenon called "immigration" you know. My MIL, for example, is both urban and Caribbean.
Perhaps confusion come from folks who do not live in an area with a significant number of Caribbean immigrants. Here, however, we have Dominicans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Bajans, etc. etc.
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by candy from Ron Mexico: I'd never heard this term before, but after reading the definition in the link I think it's saying (and this isn't an answer to the OP, but rather an attempt at clarification for Signora Del Drago and Nocturnal Goddess)that Black people are lazy all the time, not just after they eat. Therefore, when someone not Black eats and gets a food coma or whatever, it makes them lazy like a Black person.
Nocturnal. I see what you mean about it being a bit necessary. But just looking at the first paragraph of this post, it seems obvious to me that she is explaining her thoughts on the meaning, so the 'Note:' section afterwards reaffirming that she does not agree with these beliefs but was only explaining them seems a little superfluous.
In addition, if the problem with society today is that this is necessary because we are 'too PC', then why not fight it when you can?
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: if the problem with society today is that this is necessary because we are 'too PC', then why not fight it when you can?
Is that the problem with society today?
Rather, I would say that one problem is continuing bigotry. candy from strangers, realizing that such bigotry still exists, was IMHO naturally enough being sure to distance herself from such distatefullness.
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quote:Originally posted by thistleS: Why do you think it started in the city? Urban Dictionary says it is from the Caribbean.
I didn't think it came from the city. My reference was to the fact that the definition was found in an 'urban' dictionary. Urban of course means: Of, relating to, or located in a city. Characteristic of the city or city life.
You are right of course. It would be impossible for the word to originate in the city if it originated in the caribbean... I mean I though because it was an Urban Dictionary website that it meant it came from the city, and I see now how stupid it was to assume that 'city' and 'caribbean' must be mutually exclusive places. No way there could be a city in the Caribbean... no sir... oh wait..
Well, okay, judging by yours and Four Kitties' posts I obviously sound kind of stupid there, but I would like to justify my comment by saying that I was thinking of American cities, not Caribbean, and if something originates with Caribbean immigrants in an American city, it is still originating in an American city. So, my logic is convoluted and weak, but there it is.
Also, Urban Dictionary does not exclusively define words that originate in urban culture I don't think.
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Fair point Four Kitties. I certainly didn't mean to imply that being too PC is the only problem with society. Furthermore I completely understand Candy's desire to distance herself from racist and bigoted points of view. However, I still feel that such explanations are unnecessary. When you are talking about the meaning of a word like niggeritis which , in its very definition, references a racist thought, it seems that the only way to distance yourself from such distastefulness is to not join in the conversations. My thoughts on discussing distasteful things is that one of the most important things is to be able to talk about it openly. I feel that the word nigger is repulsive when used with malice. But I don't refer to it as 'the N word', and it doesn't help much either to say it at half the pitch of any other word. As far as adding disclaimers, if you feel they are necessary, then use them. After this backlash I am very unlikely to ever bring the subject up again. I just can't be bothered to try and justify to everyone that I am not a racist after, in my mind, having given them no good reason to suspect so in the first place. IMO, a lot of people are going to think what they want regardless of any evidence.
When I was 15 I got beat up by 5 people because I was a 'skinhead'. Well, actually it was because someone that didn't like me told them I was a skinhead... I actually had a lot of hair at the time. What's funny is that I saw it as them needing an excuse to beat me up so they could take money from me... which I'm glad to say they never got. This happened on a weekend, and somehow that skinhead thing followed me through most of the rest of school. Always people asking about it. Maybe it was because I was quiet, or didn't talk much. Who knows? The point is, if someone says, you're a racist, how is it possible to prove to them that you aren't? I mean, you can say you don't see color, but how is that proof? Anyway, it seems I've lost my actual point a few sentences back so I guess I'll just stop here.
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quote:posted by Sanity Zero In addition, if the problem with society today is that this is necessary because we are 'too PC', then why not fight it when you can?
I will fight over-PC-alization (or however you'd say it) when it's something I think is stupid that people are being unjustifiably sensitive about. I will not, however, fight over-PC-alization by making it sound like I think all Black people are lazy. In my opinion all Black people are not lazy, therefore, I disagree with the statement presented, as I read it, in the definition. So I said I disagree with it. Come to think of it, my disclaimer was just as much about making myself clear, something I feel a need to do after failing at it when I first started posting, as it was about anything else.
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quote:posted by Sanity Zero After this backlash I am very unlikely to ever bring the subject up again.
I hope you don't think I was lashing against you. My responses were all only to make my point clear. I don't think you come across as racist in the posts you made in this thread.
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quote:Originally posted by thistleS: Well, okay, judging by yours and Four Kitties' posts I obviously sound kind of stupid there, but I would like to justify my comment by saying that I was thinking of American cities, not Caribbean, and if something originates with Caribbean immigrants in an American city, it is still originating in an American city. So, my logic is convoluted and weak, but there it is.
The word Caribbean is used as a cultural adjective as well as a geographical one. The word may or may not have originated in a Caribbean geographical location, but according to the above info it originated within a Caribbean cultural context.
Clear as mud!
quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: My thoughts on discussing distasteful things is that one of the most important things is to be able to talk about it openly.
I agree. However, since we (here on the board, as well as you and I) don't know each other personally, I see no harm in making sure everyone is quite clear in their language. That includes making sure that there is no confusion between "I am discussing this language" and "I use this language," particularly since snopesters tend to pick apart the tiniest inconsistencies in language use.
quote:I feel that the word nigger is repulsive when used with malice. But I don't refer to it as 'the N word', and it doesn't help much either to say it at half the pitch of any other word.
There are a lot of words whose use is contextual -- time, place, and audience matter as to whether a word is "offensive" or not. On this board we generally tend to edit ourselves out of respect for the (potential) sensibilities of others, hence the use of NFBSK. Since we do not know the sensibilities of our audience, isn't it just plain polite?
quote:As far as adding disclaimers, if you feel they are necessary, then use them. After this backlash I am very unlikely to ever bring the subject up again. I just can't be bothered to try and justify to everyone that I am not a racist after, in my mind, having given them no good reason to suspect so in the first place. IMO, a lot of people are going to think what they want regardless of any evidence.
As candy from strangers said above, what you call her disclaimer was made for clarification, not out of some overly-developed sense of what is politically correct.
It is precisely because of such potential misunderstandings that clear language is so prized here.
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quote:Originally posted by thistleS: Well, okay, judging by yours and Four Kitties' posts I obviously sound kind of stupid there, but I would like to justify my comment by saying that I was thinking of American cities, not Caribbean, and if something originates with Caribbean immigrants in an American city, it is still originating in an American city. So, my logic is convoluted and weak, but there it is.
The word Caribbean is used as a cultural adjective as well as a geographical one. The word may or may not have originated in a Caribbean geographical location, but according to the above info it originated within a Caribbean cultural context.
Clear as mud! *snip* It is precisely because of such potential misunderstandings that clear language is so prized here.
Four Kitties
No kidding! I will have to learn to ask when I'm not sure what someone means rather than assume I do understand and make a wrongheaded comment.
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Ok I concede. Mostly because it seems that I am being a bit misunderstood. While I appreciate further explanation and clarification as to why the explanation nee disclaimer was offered, I said I understood the reason for it. I agree with you. I just said that I don't think it's necessary. NOTE: by 'I don't think it's necessary' I do not mean that it is not polite, I don't think that anyone was unjustified in thinking it should be necessary, and certainly don't begrudge anyone the desire to make there full position clear.
My feelings as to why it is unnecessary has nothing to do with the message itself. I feel it is unnecessary because it is a reaction to something that hasn't happened yet. It's an explanation to prevent an assumption that hasn't been made. I think this is unecessary. NOTE 2: I've never said anything else but this. Perhaps in different ways. Hoever, it always seems to be addressed that it is somehow necessary, and she was justified in posting it. Fine! The problem is that some of the more important parts of what I am trying to say are being overlooked. This begs the question: what good is an explanation if people are going to react before they even bother reading the whole thing?
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: what good is an explanation if people are going to react before they even bother reading the whole thing?
Could be a case of someone reading along, and before they get to the end of your post they are confronted with something that bugs them so they post about it. The solution to that, of course, is to never, ever make a mistake. Of course what comprises a mistake is subject to individual interpretation on the part of each reader....
What are the "more important parts" that you feel have been overlooked?
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"Hmmm... Why do you feel the need to explain that you don't agree with it? It's only rhetoric really... I just noticed that a lot of people do this. I don't understand why. I mean, why be apologetic about understanding a point of view, even if you don't agree with it."
The above was from my first post relating to the disclaimer. I think the statement that my question was rhetoric to begin with was certainly overlooked :-) Aside from that, your first post related to any of my comments was a response to this quote: "In addition, if the problem with society today is that this is necessary because we are 'too PC', then why not fight it when you can?" Where you questioned, being pedantic IMO, if that was really THE problem with society and indicated it being a way to distance herself from distastefulness. However, you seemed to have overlooked the part where I said that I could see why she felt it necessary but also felt that what was said in the first paragraph was enough of an explanation to indicate she was explaining and not agreeing with the views expressed.
It was at this point that our longer argument ensued. Largely because from that point each of us seemed to have only been reacting to the last thing that was said and not the conversation as a whole, as far as I could tell anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: It was at this point that our longer argument ensued. Largely because from that point each of us seemed to have only been reacting to the last thing that was said and not the conversation as a whole, as far as I could tell anyway.
That happens a lot; it's called thread drift.
One way to fix it on a thread-by-thread basis is to post something along the lines of "Okay, dragging this thread back to the OP,..." and then restate your question/comment/issue.
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: Is the word 'urban' the new PC term for 'African-American'. I'm not racist or anything, I have 'urban' friends :-) I just think it's funny how things get labeled now.
Yes, it is. There's a black comic who makes all sorts of jokes about urban on urban crime and the like.
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I have been reading entier posts here (as I make it a practice of doing, I'm a good lilttle snopester )
quote:posted be Sanity Zero "Hmmm... Why do you feel the need to explain that you don't agree with it? It's only rhetoric really... I just noticed that a lot of people do this. I don't understand why. I mean, why be apologetic about understanding a point of view, even if you don't agree with it."
The above was from my first post relating to the disclaimer. I think the statement that my question was rhetoric to begin with was certainly overlooked :-)
I responded to this, though it was rhetorical, because I felt the need, as I've said, to make myself clear, not just to you, but to everyone reading. Because, after all, my opinion is terribly important and therefore everyone must truly understand it!
quote:posted by Sanity Zero My feelings as to why it is unnecessary has nothing to do with the message itself. I feel it is unnecessary because it is a reaction to something that hasn't happened yet. It's an explanation to prevent an assumption that hasn't been made. I think this is unecessary.
See, you say you understand why I made the disclaimer, and I thank you for trying, but I can see here that you don't really get it, which is quite understandable as every person has a different point of view on things. I wasn't reacting to something that hadn't happened yet. I didn't post the disclaimer because I thought someone was about to say "Hey! candy from strangers thinks Black people are lazy!" I didn't post it in order to avoid a debate (which is good, it seems;) ) I didn't even think of that possible outcome. I posted it because it's true, it's part of what I was saying, and because my ability to be color-blind to laziness is a vital part of my charming personality.
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I've never heard this as anything but "the itis". Honestly, I didn't know the n-word was even *attached* to it. Of course, up here in liberal Seattle our "eenie meenie miney moe" game went "catch a tiger by the toe", too.
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Johnny, we always caught tigers too. I never let 'em go when they hollered though. That'll show those be-striped bastards!
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quote:Originally posted by Sanity Zero: I feel that the word nigger is repulsive when used with malice.
With the exception of a discussion of the word itself, can it ever be used any other way?
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