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3rdshifter
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I was just wondering if anyone else ever tried to have a title put on the back of the mickey ears hats you buy at disneyland? This last sunday a member of my church brought back a hat with the pastors name on the back and he told the pastor that they tried to get "pastor" and then the pastors name which is only three letters long. However they were told it was against the policy for disneyland to put pastor before a name. i was wondering if anyone had ever heard of this or if anyone else had gotten the same answer when they tried to put a name on one of those hats. i have a few theorys as to why this happened but was just wondering if anyone else heard about this.

My Theories:

1. the word pastor and then his name was to long. however keep in mind our pastors name is only 3 letters

2. disneyland is afraid of offending people and all titles before names are banned.

can anyone think of other reasons? i really hope its not the simple reason it involved a religion.

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Should this go under "Find the hidden conspiracy" or "Burning issues of our times"?
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1. the word pastor and then his name was to long. however keep in mind our pastors name is only 3 letters
No, this is probably it. My sister got me a hat made up at Disneyland with my real name on it. My real name is six letters long, yet it virtually fills the cap. Adding four mour characters (a space and three letters), one of which is a capital letter (unless your pastor is e.e. cummings), would probably be too much.

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A friend brought Molly a hat back from Disneyland. It has her name on the back and 5 letters pretty much fills up the space.
Do they have smaller letters for longer names?


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Actually, I've had "Minnie" put on a pair of ears before. But I had circumstances (and explained them) that permit me to do that.

But Guru's explanation is perfect.

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I actually saw a hat, back in the 70s, embroidered "Smegma", which is not profanity, and is only six letters, so it didn't quite violate the stated rules. Still, I doubt it'd fly today...

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From guruwan2b's link, the rules:

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Ears can be personalized only with proper names, up to 10 characters. No unusual nicknames, slang terms, profanity or epithets may be personalized. (Jim is a usual nickname for James, "Dawg" is not). Most titles are acceptable, like Mr. Smith, Dr. Jones, or Miss Davis. Names with initials are OK, for example "J.D.", but last initials can not be embroidered with a name, like "Karen R." We can not embroider numbers, punctuation marks other than periods, company names, or slogans.
lead to many quetsions. I understand no epithets or slurs, but why no "unusual" nicknames. What if the guy has been called "Dawg" all his life? I had a friend named Sunny- real name Rajesh. Had the nickname all his life, mom called him that from birth. Once had a patient nick-named "Bucket." The kid was like 18 months old, so if it stuck to adulthood, he'd have had it forever. And if Jim is OK, what about Jimbo? And Pastor Abc is 10 characters, space included, so why not allow it? What about Rev. Abc (if that is what your church calls him)?

Mickey, could you look into all of this for us? I can understand not wanting the brand defamed, and not allowing commerical names or logos, but the micromanagement of nick-names is a bit much, no? And while you're at it, why did you need special dispensation for Minnie? That's some people's real name or common use nick-name.

ETA: No punctuation other than periods? What if the name is D'Shawn? The Mouse is a racist. (I'm not kidding.)

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I wonder if they'd have a problem with first given names like:
Rucker
and
Shag
(Both of these are given names of friends of mine)

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:
lead to many quetsions. I understand no epithets or slurs, but why no "unusual" nicknames. What if the guy has been called "Dawg" all his life? I had a friend named Sunny- real name Rajesh. Had the nickname all his life, mom called him that from birth.

I'm would guess that the no "unusual" nicknames is to prevent people putting things on the ears that is obscene but that the disney employee possibly hasnt heard before. You remember at school when a "new" swearword/slang term was making the rounds, and how funny it was to find someone who hadnt heard it yet? Like that, but with disneys corporate image...

"No, seriously, EVERYONE calls me Taint!"

Hell I used to know a guy who EVERYONE (including his parents) called "Stiff", and when he met new people they assumed it was for a prurient reason. It wasnt, there was a fairly dull explaination (I think it was something to do with being unable to pronounce "Steve" when he was a toddler), but he wouldnt have been able to get that either.

Not only can you not hav "D'shawn", but you cant have "O'malley". Though thats seven letters anyway, but you take my point. I wouldnt necessarily characterise that as being racist though.

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I wonder if the two capital letters (Pastor Abc) take up more space than one capital and 9 small letters?

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:

ETA: No punctuation other than periods? What if the name is D'Shawn? The Mouse is a racist. (I'm not kidding.)

I wish you were kidding.
First, are we supposed to believe D'Shawn is an African name? Where did the apostrophe originate? Is it Zulu, Tutsi, what?
Second, how does one jump from "no apostrophes" to "racism"? Wait, wait, I bet they don't do kanji either! They're even more racist against Japanese!
Hint: Do not attribute to racism what is clearly a technical issue.

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No punctuation other than periods? Well there goes my dream of having my name embroidered on mouse ears.

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We have several embroidrery machines here at work. One of them will embroidery anything that is on the keyboard. The other embroiderys with 12 heads at a time and will only do logos that we have in the system.
Maybe the machine has restrictions?

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Well, from what I understand...

If it is in the actual name (such as "D'Shawn"), then an apostrophe may be permitted. Likewise for a name like yours, Blushing Bride.

If it's a truly unusual name, but the person insists that it's his/her given name, the cast member may ask for some kind of I.D. (often, a Disney resort room key will suffice)

And Guru, the interesting thing about Disney's machines is that they AREN'T from a keyboard. The person freehands every letter (I'll take a picture of both pairs of ears I have- you'll see the difference in print).

AFA my "special" permission, if it's one of the VIP names that tends to be a bit more unusual (i.e. Mickey, Minnie), then the person MUST show some form of I.D. to show that it actually is their name. Disney uses Mickey and Minnie in their display ears, so there may be some dispute over whether the ears were stolen.

I'll dig a bit more to see what I can find. I have a friend that works in guest relations, so I can ask them specifically.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:

ETA: No punctuation other than periods? What if the name is D'Shawn? The Mouse is a racist. (I'm not kidding.)

I wish you were kidding.
First, are we supposed to believe D'Shawn is an African name? Where did the apostrophe originate? Is it Zulu, Tutsi, what?
Second, how does one jump from "no apostrophes" to "racism"? Wait, wait, I bet they don't do kanji either! They're even more racist against Japanese!
Hint: Do not attribute to racism what is clearly a technical issue.

I was not kidding. OK, racist may be the inappropriate word- and admittidly a charged one at that. However, Disney (the corportation) seems to have this idea "usual"names meaning those out of a 1950's family comedy or a Norman Rockwell painting. If they can't handle apostrophes beacause the machine can't handle them, so be it and my apologies. I took this restriction in the context of the restriction to "usual" nick-names. I was being a bit tingue in cheek about my tone of "outrage," but overly restrictive rules do risk disenfranchisement.

In closing, your argument about the African origin of names like D'Shawn is meaningless. Such names have become popular amongst some African Americans. It really does not matter where they got the idea. I was reacting to this Disney concept that "acceptable" = "usual" and "usual" correlates with "commonly used amongst the predominately white population of years past." Even if each restriction is small and has a reasonable explanation, together they systematically exclude some people of all races, disproportionately affecting non-whites and non-Americans. All over a hat.

ETA: Thanks for the info, Mickey. I knew you would not disappoint.

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quote:
Originally posted by SiKboy:
"No, seriously, EVERYONE calls me Taint!"
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That would be T'aint, so it would be out on the apostrophe rule anyway. [Razz]
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The use of non-derivative nick names (Such as dawg, bubba, and junior) is very common amongst southern whites. I don't see how anyone can consider that particular rule racist.

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quote:
Originally posted by BeachLife:
The use of non-derivative nick names (Such as dawg, bubba, and junior) is very common amongst southern whites. I don't see how anyone can consider that particular rule racist.

I did not say that part itself was.
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I actually hqad a pair of Ears embroiderd for me this past Autumn for a Friend of mine who teaches, Sharry Gross, and they Barely aloowed "Ms.Gross". we had to say that we would not wear the hat in the park before they would give it to me.

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As an aside, did anyone see the comedian who said, "when white people find out what 'skeet, skeet' means, they're gonna be like, 'OMG the children!'"

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quote:
Originally posted by Ana Ng:
As an aside, did anyone see the comedian who said, "when white people find out what 'skeet, skeet' means, they're gonna be like, 'OMG the children!'"

So what does "skeet, skeet" mean? And T'Aint, for that matter?

And I must register my protest against the blatent anti-Irish prejudice of the Mouse. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by pob14:
quote:
Originally posted by Ana Ng:
As an aside, did anyone see the comedian who said, "when white people find out what 'skeet, skeet' means, they're gonna be like, 'OMG the children!'"

So what does "skeet, skeet" mean? And T'Aint, for that matter?

And I must register my protest against the blatent anti-Irish prejudice of the Mouse. [Big Grin]

You asked, OK? But I'm putting it in links, as it is NSFBK:

Skeet skeet


ETA: What do you know, this forum is racist too (it doesn't like apostrophes in links). So if you gotta know what "T'aint" is, you're gonna have to cut and paste: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=T%27aint

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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Dave:

ETA: No punctuation other than periods? What if the name is D'Shawn? The Mouse is a racist. (I'm not kidding.)

I wish you were kidding.
First, are we supposed to believe D'Shawn is an African name? Where did the apostrophe originate? Is it Zulu, Tutsi, what?
Second, how does one jump from "no apostrophes" to "racism"? Wait, wait, I bet they don't do kanji either! They're even more racist against Japanese!
Hint: Do not attribute to racism what is clearly a technical issue.

I was not kidding. OK, racist may be the inappropriate word- and admittidly a charged one at that. However, Disney (the corportation) seems to have this idea "usual"names meaning those out of a 1950's family comedy or a Norman Rockwell painting. If they can't handle apostrophes beacause the machine can't handle them, so be it and my apologies. I took this restriction in the context of the restriction to "usual" nick-names. I was being a bit tingue in cheek about my tone of "outrage," but overly restrictive rules do risk disenfranchisement.

In closing, your argument about the African origin of names like D'Shawn is meaningless. Such names have become popular amongst some African Americans. It really does not matter where they got the idea. I was reacting to this Disney concept that "acceptable" = "usual" and "usual" correlates with "commonly used amongst the predominately white population of years past." Even if each restriction is small and has a reasonable explanation, together they systematically exclude some people of all races, disproportionately affecting non-whites and non-Americans. All over a hat.

ETA: Thanks for the info, Mickey. I knew you would not disappoint.

I see, you probably didn't actually mean "racism", but your outrage is directed more at "conformism". I agree with you on that. I hate conformity, and nothing represents conformity as Disney.

I still have a couple of points.

1. Disney is a business. They cater to the "traditional family values" crowd, and do it exceedingly well. Apparently it's a succesful business model for them, so I cannot fault them.
2. It's just a business. If you do not like them, there are plenty of alternatives. But pretending that they somehow have an obligation to accomodate anyone seems outrageous to me. Do you feel disgusted by their business profile? Don't go there. That's it.

Anyway, I guess we agree more than we disagree. And maybe I have to apologize a bit for the snark; one of my pet munchkins is people who scream "racism" at anything. ("OMG, why is toilet paper always white? It's racist", and yes, I read that one on a forum, and it was not a joke).

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quote:
Originally posted by Dog Friendly:
I actually saw a hat, back in the 70s, embroidered "Smegma", which is not profanity, and is only six letters, so it didn't quite violate the stated rules. Still, I doubt it'd fly today...

Dog (No, I wasn't wearing it) Friendly

"Smegma," IIBC, happens to be a common term for cheese or soap substitutes, particularly during wartime.

There may also be a slightly suggestive connotation to the term.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lemon Demon:
I actually hqad a pair of Ears embroiderd for me this past Autumn for a Friend of mine who teaches, Sharry Gross, and they Barely aloowed "Ms.Gross". we had to say that we would not wear the hat in the park before they would give it to me.

For my father's b-day, we purchased a pirate hat and wanted some type of piratey name embroidered on the hat for him. All forms other than his actual name were firmly and promptly turned down. IIRC, the only names allowed to be embroidered on the hats were proper names.

We were able to talk the poor girl into embroidering "Captain" on the hat as long as we didn't tell anyone, did not wear it in the park, and kept it in the bag at all times while on the park's property.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
1. Disney is a business. They cater to the "traditional family values" crowd, and do it exceedingly well. Apparently it's a succesful business model for them, so I cannot fault them.

Not well enough to satisfy the Baptists, but I count that to their credit. [Wink]
quote:
2. It's just a business. If you do not like them, there are plenty of alternatives. But pretending that they somehow have an obligation to accomodate anyone seems outrageous to me.
Ask the PGA how outrageously far the legal precept of "public accommodation" reaches. ETA: I'd love to hear conservative author D'Nesh D'Souza defend this one.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
("OMG, why is toilet paper always white? It's racist", and yes, I read that one on a forum, and it was not a joke).

'cause if it was brown you'd never know if it was used of not.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chalky Studebaker:
"Smegma," IIBC, happens to be a common term for cheese or soap substitutes, particularly during wartime.

There may also be a slightly suggestive connotation to the term.

It's a bit more than "a slightly suggestive connotation."

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quote:
Originally posted by Ana Ng:
As an aside, did anyone see the comedian who said, "when white people find out what 'skeet, skeet' means, they're gonna be like, 'OMG the children!'"

1. I've neaver heard of that one before.
2. There is a guy at my work who's nickname is Skeet. Now he is as old as the hills, but I wonder what he would think if he "knew" what his nickname meant.

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quote:
Originally posted by guruwan2b:
I wonder if the two capital letters (Pastor Abc) take up more space than one capital and 9 small letters?

It could be that they thought "Pastor" is a nickname. Like hip-hop artist Pastor Ma$e. But that's all just speculation.

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Originally posted by Mr. Baggins:
("OMG, why is toilet paper always white? It's racist", and yes, I read that one on a forum, and it was not a joke).

'cause if it was brown you'd never know if it was used of not.

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I've seen toilet paper with dollar signs on it! And I've seen pink toilet paper. So blah to whoever said that!

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3rdshifter
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Thanks to all who responded like i said i was sure they had a reason i just didnt know what it was still not clear but they seem to be consistent and thats what i was hoping for. and i had no clue where to look for their policy on the hats so again thanks to everyone
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black roses 19
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I had a friend named Sunny- real name Rajesh.
Weird....so do I. Is he an Indian fella? About 24? Prounounced "Rye-esh"?

Maybe it's a common thing for that name?

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It could be that they thought "Pastor" is a nickname. Like hip-hop artist Pastor Ma$e. But that's all just speculation.
Wait...what? I thought I saw on some crappy VH1 or MTV documentary that Mase gave up secular rapping and became a Catholic Priest...for real. Maybe I'm misremembering?

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To Mr. Baggins- Thank you. I agree with you. I was being outrageous, it is definitely conformism if anything. And I have no problem with that actually. And I can understand not wanting their "brand" distorted. However, sometimes "conformism" leads, completely unintentionally, to disproportionately affecting one group or another. And if a company realizes that, they might want to reconsider. And hey, Disney welcomes Gay Pride Day or something similar, so I guess they can't win.

As an aside, I wonder if the basketball player God Shamgod asked for a hat with his first name, what would they say?


Re: T'aint. My bad, I think the proper spelling, if there was one, would be 'Tain't. It is a contraction of "it ain't." (Just checked the link. It looks like they spell it the way I did originally.)

Blackroses- Coincidence. My friend Sunny would be about 34 or 35. His given name, Rajesh (yes, Indian), is pronounced like it is spelled. He told me that his mom called him Sunny from the get go, or a basic reason- it was sunny on his day of birth and his mom liked the word. I have known a few Indian Sunnys- sometimes short or diminutive for Sunil and the like, or transliterated to English from something similar sounding.

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